If they unbanned Coalition Victory, I'd totally theorycraft a Ramos 5-Color Win deck. That said, the best option is probably counter increasers + some kind of mana sink such as Helix Pinnacle, which would also work with the counter increasers.
The only one i can count is doubling season (You cannot proliferate helix pinnacle and most counter doublets only work with +1/+1 counter not all types.)
You definitely can. Reminder text of proliferate doesn't mention targeting at all. I cannot wait to try him in a storm suit with Aetherflux Reservoir and such :3.
Right, i was mixing proliferate up with Deepglow Skate's Ability
If they unbanned Coalition Victory, I'd totally theorycraft a Ramos 5-Color Win deck. That said, the best option is probably counter increasers + some kind of mana sink such as Helix Pinnacle, which would also work with the counter increasers.
The only one i can count is doubling season (You cannot proliferate helix pinnacle and most counter doublets only work with +1/+1 counter not all types.)
Why would you need to target Helix Pinnacle to activate Ramos's ability?
More specifically, if you cast 3 colors' worth of spells with Doubling Season out, that's 20 counters on Helix Pinnacle with Ramos.
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If they unbanned Coalition Victory, I'd totally theorycraft a Ramos 5-Color Win deck. That said, the best option is probably counter increasers + some kind of mana sink such as Helix Pinnacle, which would also work with the counter increasers.
The only one i can count is doubling season (You cannot proliferate helix pinnacle and most counter doublets only work with +1/+1 counter not all types.)
Why would you need to target Helix Pinnacle to activate Ramos's ability?
More specifically, if you cast 3 colors' worth of spells with Doubling Season out, that's 20 counters on Helix Pinnacle with Ramos.
i was thinking that proliferate was target. Nothing having to do with ramos.
Ramos, Dragon Engine:
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Sol Ring
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Grim Monolith
Coalition Relic
Farseek
Rampant Growth
Kodama's Reach
Cultivate
Skyshroud Claim
Explosive Vegetation
Enlightened Tutor
Worldly Tutor
Muddle the Mixture
Life from the Loam
Crucible of Worlds
Kefnet the Mindful
Trade Routes
Ground Seal
Survival of the Fittest
Mastery of the Unseen
Asceticism
Greater Good
Natural Order
Eternal Witness
Skullwinder
Genesis
Anger
Glory
Diligent Farmhand
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Yavimaya Elder
Yavimaya Dryad
Yavimaya Granger
Tradewind Rider
Ronom Unicorn
Hearth Kami
Mulldrifter
Necrotic Sliver
Temur Sabertooth
Pharika's Mender
Restoration Gearsmith
Loxodon Hierarch
Karmic Guide
Body Double
Reveillark
Baloth Null
Dawnbreak Reclaimer
Deadwood Treefolk
Deadeye Navigator
Spike Weaver
Protean Hulk
Whisperwood Elemental
Teneb, the Harvester
Vorosh, the Hunter
Maelstrom Wanderer
Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
Enlisted Wurm
Greenwarden of Murasa
Research/Development
Dovescape
Maelstrom Pulse
Vindicate
Sliver Queen
Progenitus
Thawing Glaciers
Command Tower
Path of Ancestry
Strip Mine
Volrath's Stronghold
Yavimaya Hollow
Fetches, duals, shocks
ALL cycling lands except blasted landscape
Grand Coliseum
etc.
Concept:
This is the opposite of ever sitting on any counterspells. Cascade effects preclude. You deal with anything that could hit your creatures, wraths, targeted removal, targeted graveyard hate, on-board hosers, and against non-targeted Upheaval, Decree of Annihilation, and Apocalypse type effects, you have a line unto Kefnet the Mindful, Dovescape or Trade Routes, and a bunch of redundant effects to still do the same nonsense. Enough have been printed. And you can also Research/Development, or use your one narrow counterspell. Fun card, fun deck. Kind of uber wisthz umlauts actually. With Step 1, cast him... whew! Seems eyepopping. Progenitus or Sliver land kill endgame.
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i tried ramos last night in my superfriends deck. While he is good for the cast i was unlucky as my buddy run linvala s his general. Could not use the ability. Still having a doubling season and a Copy enchantment on it, i was able to rack up the counters on him. 22/22 flying ramos.
Still plan to play a second Ramos deck and I plan on him being in my 99 in dragon tribal. (The Ur-dragon is going to be piloting that one)
Would the "Rings of" set be savvy tech for Ramos? Or does color identity not work like that for a colorless creature with an ability that identifies colors?
Each gives a valuable keyword ability (Vigilance, Hexproof, Haste, Trample, Regen) and each gives a +1 counter each upkeep if the color identity works out. Someone wiser than me, please clarify if this doesn't work.
Would the "Rings of" set be savvy tech for Ramos? Or does color identity not work like that for a colorless creature with an ability that identifies colors?
Each gives a valuable keyword ability (Vigilance, Hexproof, Haste, Trample, Regen) and each gives a +1 counter each upkeep if the color identity works out. Someone wiser than me, please clarify if this doesn't work.
Nope. Color and color identity are different. As far as anything inside an individual game is concerned Ramos is colorless.
Would the "Rings of" set be savvy tech for Ramos? Or does color identity not work like that for a colorless creature with an ability that identifies colors?
Each gives a valuable keyword ability (Vigilance, Hexproof, Haste, Trample, Regen) and each gives a +1 counter each upkeep if the color identity works out. Someone wiser than me, please clarify if this doesn't work.
does not work.
though I may run these in dragon tribal, I am already running a 5 color 10/10 commander. booting him up by 5 a turn can quickly turn is clock from 3, to 2 and then even 1.
Would the "Rings of" set be savvy tech for Ramos? Or does color identity not work like that for a colorless creature with an ability that identifies colors?
Each gives a valuable keyword ability (Vigilance, Hexproof, Haste, Trample, Regen) and each gives a +1 counter each upkeep if the color identity works out. Someone wiser than me, please clarify if this doesn't work.
Nope. Color and color identity are different. As far as anything inside an individual game is concerned Ramos is colorless.
Thanks for the clarification. I figured that would be the case since the Ramos card is gray and not gold like a multicolor card would be. Huh, I agree Gashnaw, they seem much sweeter on The Ur-Dragon.
- Play Children and sac to gain 36 life again, use ogre again (floating 12xR, 1xB)
- Cast Manamorphose for BG (10xR, 1xBG)
- Use RB to tutor for Reanimate and cast on Children again, gaining 73 life, use ogre again x 24R) (32xR, 1xG)
- Cast Regrowth for Manamorphose, now for UB (29xR, 1xUB)
- Cast Mystic Retrieval for Demonic Tutor (26R, 1xB)
- Tutor for Agent of Stromgald and cast it (24R)
- Cast Retrieval flashback on D.Tutor, use Agent ability to turn all the R mana into B (21B floating),
- Tutor for Increasing Ambition and cast on a second reanimate spell (Animate Dead for example). to use on children again (12B floating)
- Sac Children and gain back 108 life, use ogre for 36R mana (36R, 12B)
- Flashback Increasing Ambition (29R, 11B) for a reanimation spell and Comet Storm, gain back 216 life, get 72R mana, cast Comet Storm for a lot killing the table. Alternative tutor for Aetherflux Reservoir and kill the table with the 216 life gain, as this is a storm deck.
- Play Children and sac to gain 36 life again, use ogre again (floating 12xR, 1xB)
- Cast Manamorphose for BG (10xR, 1xBG)
- Use RB to tutor for Reanimate and cast on Children again, gaining 73 life, use ogre again x 24R) (32xR, 1xG)
- Cast Regrowth for Manamorphose, now for UB (29xR, 1xUB)
- Cast Mystic Retrieval for Demonic Tutor (26R, 1xB)
- Tutor for Agent of Stromgald and cast it (24R)
- Cast Retrieval flashback on D.Tutor, use Agent ability to turn all the R mana into B (21B floating),
- Tutor for Increasing Ambition and cast on a second reanimate spell (Animate Dead for example). to use on children again (12B floating)
- Sac Children and gain back 108 life, use ogre for 36R mana (36R, 12B)
- Flashback Increasing Ambition (29R, 11B) for a reanimation spell and Comet Storm, gain back 216 life, get 72R mana, cast Comet Storm for a lot killing the table. Alternative tutor for Aetherflux Reservoir and kill the table with the 216 life gain, as this is a storm deck.
Right, i was mixing proliferate up with Deepglow Skate's Ability
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Why would you need to target Helix Pinnacle to activate Ramos's ability?
More specifically, if you cast 3 colors' worth of spells with Doubling Season out, that's 20 counters on Helix Pinnacle with Ramos.
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He's like the best choice from all commanders.
Play in the midst of power gaming worries version
Sol Ring
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Grim Monolith
Coalition Relic
Farseek
Rampant Growth
Kodama's Reach
Cultivate
Skyshroud Claim
Explosive Vegetation
Enlightened Tutor
Worldly Tutor
Muddle the Mixture
Life from the Loam
Crucible of Worlds
Kefnet the Mindful
Trade Routes
Ground Seal
Survival of the Fittest
Mastery of the Unseen
Asceticism
Greater Good
Natural Order
Eternal Witness
Skullwinder
Genesis
Anger
Glory
Diligent Farmhand
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Yavimaya Elder
Yavimaya Dryad
Yavimaya Granger
Tradewind Rider
Ronom Unicorn
Hearth Kami
Mulldrifter
Necrotic Sliver
Temur Sabertooth
Pharika's Mender
Restoration Gearsmith
Loxodon Hierarch
Karmic Guide
Body Double
Reveillark
Baloth Null
Dawnbreak Reclaimer
Deadwood Treefolk
Deadeye Navigator
Spike Weaver
Protean Hulk
Whisperwood Elemental
Teneb, the Harvester
Vorosh, the Hunter
Maelstrom Wanderer
Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
Enlisted Wurm
Greenwarden of Murasa
Research/Development
Dovescape
Maelstrom Pulse
Vindicate
Sliver Queen
Progenitus
Thawing Glaciers
Command Tower
Path of Ancestry
Strip Mine
Volrath's Stronghold
Yavimaya Hollow
Fetches, duals, shocks
ALL cycling lands except blasted landscape
Grand Coliseum
etc.
Concept:
This is the opposite of ever sitting on any counterspells. Cascade effects preclude. You deal with anything that could hit your creatures, wraths, targeted removal, targeted graveyard hate, on-board hosers, and against non-targeted Upheaval, Decree of Annihilation, and Apocalypse type effects, you have a line unto Kefnet the Mindful, Dovescape or Trade Routes, and a bunch of redundant effects to still do the same nonsense. Enough have been printed. And you can also Research/Development, or use your one narrow counterspell. Fun card, fun deck. Kind of uber wisthz umlauts actually. With Step 1, cast him... whew! Seems eyepopping. Progenitus or Sliver land kill endgame.
Still plan to play a second Ramos deck and I plan on him being in my 99 in dragon tribal. (The Ur-dragon is going to be piloting that one)
He is a great card.
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Ring of Evos Isle
Ring of Kalonia
Ring of Thune
Ring of Valkas
Ring of Xathrid
Each gives a valuable keyword ability (Vigilance, Hexproof, Haste, Trample, Regen) and each gives a +1 counter each upkeep if the color identity works out. Someone wiser than me, please clarify if this doesn't work.
Current EDH
UThassa, God of the Sea devotion control
WRGTana, the Bloodsower & Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa partners weenie tokens
UUnesh, Criosphinx Sovereign Sphinx tribal
WUTaigam, Ojutai Master tokens on the rebound spellslinger
GRhonas the Indomitable green creature beats
UGRashmi, Eternities Crafter ETB tribal
Retired EDH
WURGKynaios and Tiro of Meletis group hug
URThe Locust God draw swarm
UTalrand, Sky Summoner funsies blue spells
WBObzedat, Ghost Council life gain/drain
Nope. Color and color identity are different. As far as anything inside an individual game is concerned Ramos is colorless.
does not work.
though I may run these in dragon tribal, I am already running a 5 color 10/10 commander. booting him up by 5 a turn can quickly turn is clock from 3, to 2 and then even 1.
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Thanks for the clarification. I figured that would be the case since the Ramos card is gray and not gold like a multicolor card would be. Huh, I agree Gashnaw, they seem much sweeter on The Ur-Dragon.
Current EDH
UThassa, God of the Sea devotion control
WRGTana, the Bloodsower & Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa partners weenie tokens
UUnesh, Criosphinx Sovereign Sphinx tribal
WUTaigam, Ojutai Master tokens on the rebound spellslinger
GRhonas the Indomitable green creature beats
UGRashmi, Eternities Crafter ETB tribal
Retired EDH
WURGKynaios and Tiro of Meletis group hug
URThe Locust God draw swarm
UTalrand, Sky Summoner funsies blue spells
WBObzedat, Ghost Council life gain/drain
Painter's Servant, would be a fun way to add colors, lol.
Not without a way to reset the once per turn limit they don't.
So, I got my precon and Ramos is super interesting.
Deadeye Navigator is good.
I thought of :
Displace or Ghostly Flicker or Illusionist's Stratagem + Eternal Witness (or similar)
Eldrazi Displacer could be a second Deadeye if Ramos made colourless. Any easy ways to convert coloured mana into colourless?
In any case, I feel like all these cards could deserve a spot as resetting Ramos can let you go crazy.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
T1, T2 tutor for Transguild Courier (this one is easier as it can be searched via artifact or any creature tutor). Pay like 30 life to cast Ramos and Transguild Courier, pay at least 6 life to help paying Conflux, leave at least WB floating, search for Children of Korlis, Demonic Tutor, Manamorphose, , Regrowth and Mystic Retrieval:
- Play Children and sac to gain 36 life again, use ogre again (floating 12xR, 1xB)
- Cast Manamorphose for BG (10xR, 1xBG)
- Use RB to tutor for Reanimate and cast on Children again, gaining 73 life, use ogre again x 24R) (32xR, 1xG)
- Cast Regrowth for Manamorphose, now for UB (29xR, 1xUB)
- Cast Mystic Retrieval for Demonic Tutor (26R, 1xB)
- Tutor for Agent of Stromgald and cast it (24R)
- Cast Retrieval flashback on D.Tutor, use Agent ability to turn all the R mana into B (21B floating),
- Tutor for Increasing Ambition and cast on a second reanimate spell (Animate Dead for example). to use on children again (12B floating)
- Sac Children and gain back 108 life, use ogre for 36R mana (36R, 12B)
- Flashback Increasing Ambition (29R, 11B) for a reanimation spell and Comet Storm, gain back 216 life, get 72R mana, cast Comet Storm for a lot killing the table. Alternative tutor for Aetherflux Reservoir and kill the table with the 216 life gain, as this is a storm deck.
All achievable T1 with Conflux, Treasonous Ogre, Transguild Courier (or Summoner's Pact), and ways to produce 3R with 3 cards (land, mana crypt, sol ring for example).
Seriously, Treasonous Ogre can give you stupid starts.
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GBWU Combo Elves
EDH Decks:
Duel Commander:
GG Thrun, the last Trolololol GG
GW The Captain WG
GWB Karadores BWG
GWU Jenara UWG
UWB Oloro-DD BWU
Regular EDH:
GBW Ghave the Enchanter WBG
My playgroup would hate me for playing this combo.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I just got around to putting Ramos at the helm of Atraxa and Marchesa was a big reason for it but I didn't even think of Gavony. Damn.