I always do my best thinking in the shower, and today I thought Eye of the Storm + Manamorphose could be cool. In fact any 'classic' untap your lands effect could be cool. Cast spells and gain mana. Just include some cheap cantrips to start going off. You are looking to get a critical amount of cantrips.
Would this deck be viable, and what commander to run?
Runic Repetition requires any 1-mana flashback spell and a Twiddle effect and works in pretty much the same way.
The following 1 mana spells have flashback and can end the game when cast an arbitrary number of times:
Faithless Looting gets an honorable mention here because it will let you loot through your whole deck, presumably finding one of these spells or a different way to win. Also, if you have a Ravnica bounceland or something else that taps for 2 or more mana, you can branch into using flashback spells with higher CMCs.
The copies of Pull and Relearn are put on the stack at the same time, so you need to pick your targets then. The Pull copy can target the exiled Pull, but the Relearn copy can't target Pull in the graveyard, because it's not there yet.
You cast them in any order you choose, so the copy of Relearn doesn't go on the stack until after the copy of Pull from Eternity has resolved.
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10/1/2005: When the ability resolves, the player copies all cards exiled with Eye of the Storm, not just the cards he or she owns. That player then chooses which of those copies to cast, if any. All chosen copies are cast in the order the player chooses.
10/1/2005: The player chooses modes, pays additional costs, chooses targets, and so on for the copies when casting them. Any X in the mana cost of a copy cast this way will be 0. Alternative costs can’t be paid.
You cast them in any order you choose, so the copy of Relearn doesn't go on the stack until after the copy of Pull from Eternity has resolved.
EDIT: Added rulings on the card that I think support my claim
10/1/2005: When the ability resolves, the player copies all cards exiled with Eye of the Storm, not just the cards he or she owns. That player then chooses which of those copies to cast, if any. All chosen copies are cast in the order the player chooses.
10/1/2005: The player chooses modes, pays additional costs, chooses targets, and so on for the copies when casting them. Any X in the mana cost of a copy cast this way will be 0. Alternative costs can’t be paid.
You cast them in the order you choose, but they all go on the stack at the same time. You have to pick a target for both Pull and Relearn at that point, long before Pull has resolved.
I'd say Izzet would be enough, as all the good combo pieces are blue, and red will give you the burn to stamp onto the storm, and also contributes a few flashback enablers and storm-based wincons. Black is also good for the tutors that will find the central enchantment. Manamorphose is obviously slick, but there are enough good options that you don't need to go into green just to pick it up. Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge strikes me as the obvious choice.
So maybe grixis? Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge strikes me as the obvious choice. I know people have talked about Pull from Eternity, but that is really not required - Eye of the Storm will get insane all on its own and you don't need to work very hard to make it win the game (plus there is the blue card with a similar effect). Any tutor/decent card-draw effect on it will ensure that you don't run out of cards, any ritual will ensure that you don't run out of mana. From there you just need cheap spells to trigger it.
Sphinx-Bone Wand is great in that it can win the game without any infinite combo. Guttersnipe can also become lethal, since every spell is going to end up being 5+ spells. Also Mind's Desire and, more generally, any card that casts a spell for free will go infinite, so yeah go ahead and include them (I know Mind's Desirecould wiff, but once the storm count is high enough that is unlikely, and you can always play it again anyway.
I would build the deck with a ton of cheap cantrips and maybe cheap burn. Add a decent selection of tutors, rituals, and a few of the afore-mentioned win conditions and you'll be good to go.
For what it's worth I've seen this deck in action in a Jori En, Ruin Diver build. That said, I do think if you're going all in on the combo some kind of tutors for the storm would be ideal, and black also contributes rituals and better card draw than white.
The turn after Eye, you can cast Mizzix's Mastery and almost certainly win.
Also, things like Explore or Atarka's Command let you keep ramping, just like a ritual, since you'll be drawing so much.
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It was mentioned before by smarter people than me, but Spellshift will just win. Spelltwine should also be pretty effective in playing all the various spells that there are out there and triggering Eye of the Storm a huge number of times
Loading up a land with mana enchantments seems like an interesting strategy, but my worry is just that without those enchantments, a lot of things like Dream's Grip and Twiddle will be somewhat underwhelming unless your mana curve is very very low and you're playing a lot of cantrips like opt, Gitaxian Probe, Ponder, etc. even then it'll be hard for them to net you mana unless there's a few of them, so you'll just be digging for a real ritual/enchantment. I suppose it's worth testing out anyway, just flagging it. And outside of those (and Explore, which was a cool find), I'm not sure how much green really adds.
Academy Rector is really good, especially since you want to be able to play Eye of the Storm and go off all on the same turn. So maybe green gives you creature tutors for her? If you play cantrippy burn like Electrolyze or Fire//Ice then you'll have ways to kill her as well as decent things to drop onto Eye of the Storm
You don't even need a storm count, all you need is the 3 permanents in play and mana for Mind's Desire and you're ready to go. Cast Mind's Desire and Eye of the Storm triggers, and then the trigger resolves and casts Mind's Desire again and storm triggers to make a copy. With both copies of Mind's Desire on the stack, you activate Mirror of Fate which is immediately exiled with Rest In Peace. Mirror of Fate's ability asks you to pick up to 7 exiled face up cards you own to replace your library, so you pick Mind's Desire and Mirror of Fate, and then let the Mind's Desires resolve and let you recast them for free, so you're right back where you started except with a bunch more storm and now you can cast your entire deck for free infinitely forever.
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I think I would just play mono blue with teferi, mage of zhalfir as my commander. This is mainly because after you start storming off any jerk with an instant can hijack your eye of the storm stack and that usually spells very bad news for you.
You don't even need a storm count, all you need is the 3 permanents in play and mana for Mind's Desire and you're ready to go. Cast Mind's Desire and Eye of the Storm triggers, and then the trigger resolves and casts Mind's Desire again and storm triggers to make a copy. With both copies of Mind's Desire on the stack, you activate Mirror of Fate which is immediately exiled with Rest In Peace. Mirror of Fate's ability asks you to pick up to 7 exiled face up cards you own to replace your library, so you pick Mind's Desire and Mirror of Fate, and then let the Mind's Desires resolve and let you recast them for free, so you're right back where you started except with a bunch more storm and now you can cast your entire deck for free infinitely forever.
It does not work like that.
First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy. Ypu would get one on the new cast trigger, so ot does work the way you describe, you would need a spell to trigger 1 more storm of have 50% chance to whiff.
Second: It does not sound worth jumping through the hoops to do that. With regular mana rituals should get you there.
With Karoo lands in the deck you can easaly have 10+ twiddel targets that nets you mana. This turns twiddel into a mana titual for ramping, and for the rurn you storm off.
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talent of the telepath can keep finding spells to retrigger eye and can also function as a mill win condition if your opponents have any density of spells. It's important to remember with this that you don't even have to cast the spell that provided the trigger.
early harvest can supply the mana needed to keep the storm up, if you run enough basics.
fiery gambit can supply card advantage to keep the storm going, mana to cast those spells, and a win condition via damage so long as you're able to either copy it enough times and trigger eye often enough. Or get lucky.
You don't even need a storm count, all you need is the 3 permanents in play and mana for Mind's Desire and you're ready to go. Cast Mind's Desire and Eye of the Storm triggers, and then the trigger resolves and casts Mind's Desire again and storm triggers to make a copy. With both copies of Mind's Desire on the stack, you activate Mirror of Fate which is immediately exiled with Rest In Peace. Mirror of Fate's ability asks you to pick up to 7 exiled face up cards you own to replace your library, so you pick Mind's Desire and Mirror of Fate, and then let the Mind's Desires resolve and let you recast them for free, so you're right back where you started except with a bunch more storm and now you can cast your entire deck for free infinitely forever.
It does not work like that.
First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy. Ypu would get one on the new cast trigger, so ot does work the way you describe, you would need a spell to trigger 1 more storm of have 50% chance to whiff.
Second: It does not sound worth jumping through the hoops to do that. With regular mana rituals should get you there.
Eye of the Storm copies, but it also allows you to "play the copy", so I think it would trigger the storm effect on the spell?
I agree that it does not seem like you need the whole combo as described, but it's pretty nifty
You don't even need a storm count, all you need is the 3 permanents in play and mana for Mind's Desire and you're ready to go. Cast Mind's Desire and Eye of the Storm triggers, and then the trigger resolves and casts Mind's Desire again and storm triggers to make a copy. With both copies of Mind's Desire on the stack, you activate Mirror of Fate which is immediately exiled with Rest In Peace. Mirror of Fate's ability asks you to pick up to 7 exiled face up cards you own to replace your library, so you pick Mind's Desire and Mirror of Fate, and then let the Mind's Desires resolve and let you recast them for free, so you're right back where you started except with a bunch more storm and now you can cast your entire deck for free infinitely forever.
It does not work like that.
First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy. Ypu would get one on the new cast trigger, so ot does work the way you describe, you would need a spell to trigger 1 more storm of have 50% chance to whiff.
Second: It does not sound worth jumping through the hoops to do that. With regular mana rituals should get you there.
Eye of the Storm copies, but it also allows you to "play the copy", so I think it would trigger the storm effect on the spell?
I agree that it does not seem like you need the whole combo as described, but it's pretty nifty
Oracle text does say "cast the copy". Storm does trigger.
First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy. Ypu would get one on the new cast trigger, so ot does work the way you describe, you would need a spell to trigger 1 more storm of have 50% chance to whiff.
Yes, yes it does work like that. The text on the card might give a bit of ambiguity cause of the word "play", but the oracle text makes it clear: "Then that player copies each instant or sorcery card exiled with Eye of the Storm. For each copy, the player may cast the copy without paying its mana cost." The copies of spells cast out of Eye of the Storm are definitely cast.
Second: It does not sound worth jumping through the hoops to do that. With regular mana rituals should get you there.
I was honestly going to say "of course it's overkill, but why play Eye of the Storm if you're not going for overkill," but I can't even just leave it at that because it's only actually one hoop to jump through.
You're already building around Eye of the Storm. You already came up with Mind's Desire on your own. Rest In Peace is a format staple that doesn't need to be in a combo to justify, but if you don't want to nerf your own graveyard or play white at all you can substitute Tormod's Crypt or Nihil Spellbomb so long as you start with a storm count. There's only one card in the combo that should make you think "that's not worth it" and that's Mirror of Fate. But you have to understand, playing Eye of the Storm without it is a much more dangerous game than playing with it. Yes, you can just play a pile of rituals and card draw and tutors to chain together a win, but if at any point your opponents can cast more instants than you can and they start resolving your pile of rituals and card draw, you probably lose, and Mirror of Fate is your only savior.
Side note 1: The suggestion of Isochron Scepter made earlier doesn't work because just like Eye of the Storm, Isochron Scepter casts a copy and Eye of the Storm only triggers when you cast an actual card.
Side note 2: Watch out for people randomly playing eldrazi processors. This may seem unlikely, but I have sat at a table with Eye of the Storm in hand and an Oracle of Dust on the other side of the battlefield, and it feels so bad.
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First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy.
Eye of the Storm copies the card and casts the copy, unlike something like Twincast which copies a spell and puts it directly on the stack without casting it.
How would mindmoil work with eye of the storm? Would it go off with every copy of the spells?
Yes. But triggered abilities only get to the stack when priority is passed, and when a spell or ability has you cast another spell (or multiple spells in this case) that spell is cast and put on the stack during the resolution of the thing telling you to cast it without priority passing, so if you have an Eye of the Storm with 17 exiled cards, and you choose to cast all of them with Mindmoil out, what will happen is that you will put all those spells onto the stack individually (in whatever order you like), dealing with any target choosing or additional cost paying along the way, and then once you've cast them all, Eye of the Storm's triggered ability will go "ok, I'm done here, who was waiting to do things?" and before any of the players get the opportunity to respond, Mindmoil jumps in and vomits 17 copies of its triggered ability onto the stack all at once.
So Mindmoil triggers for every copy cast, and you resolve all of those Mindmoils tediously consecutively.
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Would this deck be viable, and what commander to run?
Academy Rector would make eveyrthing easier, so I was thinking maybe Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis.
I am usualy oposed to 'cheap combo winns' in commander. But this one takes some effort, it might be worth it. Any ideas?
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Runic Repetition requires any 1-mana flashback spell and a Twiddle effect and works in pretty much the same way.
The following 1 mana spells have flashback and can end the game when cast an arbitrary number of times:
- Bump in the Night
- Dream Twist
- Firebolt
- Geistflame
- Lava Dart
Faithless Looting gets an honorable mention here because it will let you loot through your whole deck, presumably finding one of these spells or a different way to win. Also, if you have a Ravnica bounceland or something else that taps for 2 or more mana, you can branch into using flashback spells with higher CMCs.The copies of Pull and Relearn are put on the stack at the same time, so you need to pick your targets then. The Pull copy can target the exiled Pull, but the Relearn copy can't target Pull in the graveyard, because it's not there yet.
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EDIT: Added rulings on the card that I think support my claim
Depending on the deck perhaps I also could run Mind's Desire ? Sphinx-Bone Wand ?
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So maybe grixis? Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge strikes me as the obvious choice. I know people have talked about Pull from Eternity, but that is really not required - Eye of the Storm will get insane all on its own and you don't need to work very hard to make it win the game (plus there is the blue card with a similar effect). Any tutor/decent card-draw effect on it will ensure that you don't run out of cards, any ritual will ensure that you don't run out of mana. From there you just need cheap spells to trigger it.
Sphinx-Bone Wand is great in that it can win the game without any infinite combo. Guttersnipe can also become lethal, since every spell is going to end up being 5+ spells. Also Mind's Desire and, more generally, any card that casts a spell for free will go infinite, so yeah go ahead and include them (I know Mind's Desire could wiff, but once the storm count is high enough that is unlikely, and you can always play it again anyway.
I would build the deck with a ton of cheap cantrips and maybe cheap burn. Add a decent selection of tutors, rituals, and a few of the afore-mentioned win conditions and you'll be good to go.
For what it's worth I've seen this deck in action in a Jori En, Ruin Diver build. That said, I do think if you're going all in on the combo some kind of tutors for the storm would be ideal, and black also contributes rituals and better card draw than white.
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Commander: Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Plan: Eye of the Storm combo.
Plan B:
Untapp lands
Mana acceleration for untapp:
Redundancy:
Mana rituals:
Cantrips:
Tutors:
Save me:
Card draw:
1 Magus of the Candelabra
1 Twiddle
1 Dream's Grip
1 Turnabout
1 Utopia Sprawl
1 Overgrowth
1 Pull from Eternity
1 Faithless Looting
1 Brainstorm
1 Sleight of Hand
1 Preordain
1 Serum Visions
1 Meekstone
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Hidden Strings
2 Fertile Ground
2 Trace of Abundance
2 Pyretic Ritual
2 Seething Song
2 Desperate Ritual
2 Manamorphose
2 Tormenting Voice
2 Impulse
2 Anticipate
3 Ghostly Prison
3 Frantic Search
3 Fatespinner
3 Propaganda
3 Jori En, Ruin Diver
3 Manifold Insights
4 Academy Rector
4 Talrand, Sky Summoner
4 Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
4 Windborn Muse
4 Embargo
4 Collective Restraint
4 Marble Titan
4 Pendelhaven Mist
4 Magus of the Tabernacle
5 Future Sight
5 Metallurgic Summonings
5 Peregrine Drake
5 Wildest Dreams
5 Mnemonic Wall
7 Eye of the Storm
7 Sphinx-Bone Wand
7 Stroke of Genius
7 Sphinx Revelation
51 cards. Lots of space left.
Edit: I se many my ideas overlap with aslidsiksoraksi. I do however think one of the best things in white would be Academy Rector with a sack outlet.
Also, things like Explore or Atarka's Command let you keep ramping, just like a ritual, since you'll be drawing so much.
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It was mentioned before by smarter people than me, but Spellshift will just win. Spelltwine should also be pretty effective in playing all the various spells that there are out there and triggering Eye of the Storm a huge number of times
I'm a big fan of Mystic Retrieval in this type of deck too
The black tutors are also solid, Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor; and Idyllic Tutor could also be good, as is Mystical Tutor
Loading up a land with mana enchantments seems like an interesting strategy, but my worry is just that without those enchantments, a lot of things like Dream's Grip and Twiddle will be somewhat underwhelming unless your mana curve is very very low and you're playing a lot of cantrips like opt, Gitaxian Probe, Ponder, etc. even then it'll be hard for them to net you mana unless there's a few of them, so you'll just be digging for a real ritual/enchantment. I suppose it's worth testing out anyway, just flagging it. And outside of those (and Explore, which was a cool find), I'm not sure how much green really adds.
Academy Rector is really good, especially since you want to be able to play Eye of the Storm and go off all on the same turn. So maybe green gives you creature tutors for her? If you play cantrippy burn like Electrolyze or Fire//Ice then you'll have ways to kill her as well as decent things to drop onto Eye of the Storm
also, if you like Marble Titan try Crackdown
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Eye of the Storm + Mirror of Fate + Rest in Peace + Mind's Desire is my most precious combo, the one I'm convinced is so thoroughly convoluted that nobody ever imagined it before I pulled it off.
You don't even need a storm count, all you need is the 3 permanents in play and mana for Mind's Desire and you're ready to go. Cast Mind's Desire and Eye of the Storm triggers, and then the trigger resolves and casts Mind's Desire again and storm triggers to make a copy. With both copies of Mind's Desire on the stack, you activate Mirror of Fate which is immediately exiled with Rest In Peace. Mirror of Fate's ability asks you to pick up to 7 exiled face up cards you own to replace your library, so you pick Mind's Desire and Mirror of Fate, and then let the Mind's Desires resolve and let you recast them for free, so you're right back where you started except with a bunch more storm and now you can cast your entire deck for free infinitely forever.
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It does not work like that.
First when Eye of the storm copies mind desire the storm abilaty does not trigger. It is a triggered abilaty that triggers on cast, not copy. Ypu would get one on the new cast trigger, so ot does work the way you describe, you would need a spell to trigger 1 more storm of have 50% chance to whiff.
Second: It does not sound worth jumping through the hoops to do that. With regular mana rituals should get you there.
With Karoo lands in the deck you can easaly have 10+ twiddel targets that nets you mana. This turns twiddel into a mana titual for ramping, and for the rurn you storm off.
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Eye of the Storm copies, but it also allows you to "play the copy", so I think it would trigger the storm effect on the spell?
I agree that it does not seem like you need the whole combo as described, but it's pretty nifty
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Oracle text does say "cast the copy". Storm does trigger.
This also means that Epic makes Eye of the Storm unusable.
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Yes, yes it does work like that. The text on the card might give a bit of ambiguity cause of the word "play", but the oracle text makes it clear: "Then that player copies each instant or sorcery card exiled with Eye of the Storm. For each copy, the player may cast the copy without paying its mana cost." The copies of spells cast out of Eye of the Storm are definitely cast.
I was honestly going to say "of course it's overkill, but why play Eye of the Storm if you're not going for overkill," but I can't even just leave it at that because it's only actually one hoop to jump through.
You're already building around Eye of the Storm. You already came up with Mind's Desire on your own. Rest In Peace is a format staple that doesn't need to be in a combo to justify, but if you don't want to nerf your own graveyard or play white at all you can substitute Tormod's Crypt or Nihil Spellbomb so long as you start with a storm count. There's only one card in the combo that should make you think "that's not worth it" and that's Mirror of Fate. But you have to understand, playing Eye of the Storm without it is a much more dangerous game than playing with it. Yes, you can just play a pile of rituals and card draw and tutors to chain together a win, but if at any point your opponents can cast more instants than you can and they start resolving your pile of rituals and card draw, you probably lose, and Mirror of Fate is your only savior.
Side note 1: The suggestion of Isochron Scepter made earlier doesn't work because just like Eye of the Storm, Isochron Scepter casts a copy and Eye of the Storm only triggers when you cast an actual card.
Side note 2: Watch out for people randomly playing eldrazi processors. This may seem unlikely, but I have sat at a table with Eye of the Storm in hand and an Oracle of Dust on the other side of the battlefield, and it feels so bad.
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Yes. But triggered abilities only get to the stack when priority is passed, and when a spell or ability has you cast another spell (or multiple spells in this case) that spell is cast and put on the stack during the resolution of the thing telling you to cast it without priority passing, so if you have an Eye of the Storm with 17 exiled cards, and you choose to cast all of them with Mindmoil out, what will happen is that you will put all those spells onto the stack individually (in whatever order you like), dealing with any target choosing or additional cost paying along the way, and then once you've cast them all, Eye of the Storm's triggered ability will go "ok, I'm done here, who was waiting to do things?" and before any of the players get the opportunity to respond, Mindmoil jumps in and vomits 17 copies of its triggered ability onto the stack all at once.
So Mindmoil triggers for every copy cast, and you resolve all of those Mindmoils
tediouslyconsecutively.