The new Monument cards, while have words of color in it, has no mana symbol in their texts, which means they can fit into decks of any color identities. For examples:
Oketra's Monument can go into Ezuri, Claw Of Progress deck to generate an extra experience counter as you cast creature spells (which you do a lot in his deck).
Saskia could actually use Kefnet's Monument. Every hatebear or ETB removal creature now also frosts a tapped creature. (A lot of Saskia's removal is just about eliminating blockers.)
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
This... is actually a pretty darn good point. I think all of my monuments will end up in on-color decks, but that is certainly a thing to keep in mind when I build my next creature-spam deck (as I inevitably will).
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This... is actually a pretty darn good point. I think all of my monuments will end up in on-color decks, but that is certainly a thing to keep in mind when I build my next creature-spam deck (as I inevitably will).
I'm sure some of your 34 EDH decks could use the Monument even if the color is off.
Yup, but for me the fun is that I limit myself to only putting a new card to one deck. So the monuments ended up being on-color decks, though just barely - they kind of got their decks before I considered the creature-discount. Incidentally, Athreos got both his color effects because those two fit attrition-grindy so well (Ruysei got Hazoret's because dragons want all the cheapening and looting they can, and Yasova-aggro really wants both Kefnet's and Rhonas' monument effects.)
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Bloom Tender + Concordant Crossroads with three colors amongst permanents can go with this part me think, then just repeatedly uses Bontu's head for draining.
Yep. A multicolored creature is all of its individual colors. So Kalemne would cost 1 less with either Oketra's Monument or a Hazoret's Monument and 2 less with both. Also note that each monument's ability triggers on any creature being cast, including colorless ones.
Hazoret's Monument in particular seems pretty swell for Karador, free filtering opportunity every time you cast a creature spell (from the graveyard or not) that fuels your graveyard even more sounds great.
Hazoret's Monument in particular seems pretty swell for Karador, free filtering opportunity every time you cast a creature spell (from the graveyard or not) that fuels your graveyard even more sounds great.
And any reanimator deck, come to think of it. Of course, you'll be using ETB critters and hatebears to fuel it.
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Hazoret's Monument in particular seems pretty swell for Karador, free filtering opportunity every time you cast a creature spell (from the graveyard or not) that fuels your graveyard even more sounds great.
Good call, casting Phyrexian Delver automatically get you the card you discarded.
Oketra's Monument can go into Ezuri, Claw Of Progress deck to generate an extra experience counter as you cast creature spells (which you do a lot in his deck).
Hazoret's Monument can benefit a deck using creatures like Archfiend of Ifnir.
A Boros deck can use Kefnet's Monument to keep a potential blocker tapped.
All dash creatures, like Zurgo Bellstriker, can utilize monuments repeatedly.
etc
Thoughts on how to utilize the monuments outside of its perceived colors?
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I'm mostly interested in these for limited. Seem great! Except the green one makes you play creatures pre-combat.
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As could Oketra's Monument!
Saskia could actually use Kefnet's Monument. Every hatebear or ETB removal creature now also frosts a tapped creature. (A lot of Saskia's removal is just about eliminating blockers.)
On phasing:
I'm sure some of your 34 EDH decks could use the Monument even if the color is off.
Other ways to use the monuments: Karador, Ghost Chieftain allow one to cast creature from graveyard, Silas Renn, Seeker Adept with artifact creatures (which can be bounced/casted for free when set up), Athreos, God of Passage makes death-return even more painful, etc.
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Yup, but for me the fun is that I limit myself to only putting a new card to one deck. So the monuments ended up being on-color decks, though just barely - they kind of got their decks before I considered the creature-discount. Incidentally, Athreos got both his color effects because those two fit attrition-grindy so well (Ruysei got Hazoret's because dragons want all the cheapening and looting they can, and Yasova-aggro really wants both Kefnet's and Rhonas' monument effects.)
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Bloom Tender + Concordant Crossroads with three colors amongst permanents can go with this part me think, then just repeatedly uses Bontu's head for draining.
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Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
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for example using Oketra's Monument to cast Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas for 1 less and get a 1/1 Warrior Creature Token?
Yep. A multicolored creature is all of its individual colors. So Kalemne would cost 1 less with either Oketra's Monument or a Hazoret's Monument and 2 less with both. Also note that each monument's ability triggers on any creature being cast, including colorless ones.
And any reanimator deck, come to think of it. Of course, you'll be using ETB critters and hatebears to fuel it.
On phasing:
Good call, casting Phyrexian Delver automatically get you the card you discarded.
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Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs