I wouldn't worry about it. Having a pair of outliers in a wildpair deck is fine. You won't always see wild pair every game and the cards that you are concerned about are quite potent on their own. If you are worried about 7/7s with decent abilities that could see play in your deck, then garruk's horde fills both the fatty need and card advantage need.
Honestly, I'm ramping so much I'm definitely getting the better end of the deal. That being said, Caged Sun or even Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be better in the list (these are the only two mono green unilateral mana doublers I can think of right now).
Honestly, I'm ramping so much I'm definitely getting the better end of the deal. That being said, Caged Sun or even Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be better in the list (these are the only two mono green unilateral mana doublers I can think of right now).
Yeah probably don't have the money to spring for that unfortunately. Come to think of it I probably don't have the money to spring for Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger either. And truth be told I cope just fine without mana doubling. It provides an insta-win with Squall Line, but it's definitely not necessary, just nice.
I wouldn't worry about it. Having a pair of outliers in a wildpair deck is fine. You won't always see wild pair every game and the cards that you are concerned about are quite potent on their own. If you are worried about 7/7s with decent abilities that could see play in your deck, then garruk's horde fills both the fatty need and card advantage need.
I hadn't really considered the horde. It's a possibility, but I am concerned that it would telegraph to some extent. I'd prefer Vizier of the Menagerie (can you tell I'm keen to pick one up?). The only other 7/7 I can see with any major value to me is Cloudthresher, and I'm not jumping out of my seat to grab one.
I think you're right, I probably am ok without pairing absolutely everything up. I still have a couple of slots to fit pieces in anyway, so still a work in progress.
I can see you are as excited as I am by the prospect of vizier. He is quite an impressive creature for strategies like this one and my own. Garruk's horde is one I enjoy running in my yeva deck because it allows me to play off the top of my library on others turns as well as my own. Viziar would fill the same purpose, and I shall be running both for redundancy.
With regards to mana doublers, I can see the use of running maybe 2. This isn't a deck that takes huge advantage of it like many others can, it's just an extra effect. They tend to cost a lot for what they do and this deck probably doesn't need it. It's fairly mana efficient by comparison to some others.
I can see you are as excited as I am by the prospect of vizier. He is quite an impressive creature for strategies like this one and my own. Garruk's horde is one I enjoy running in my yeva deck because it allows me to play off the top of my library on others turns as well as my own. Viziar would fill the same purpose, and I shall be running both for redundancy.
With regards to mana doublers, I can see the use of running maybe 2. This isn't a deck that takes huge advantage of it like many others can, it's just an extra effect. They tend to cost a lot for what they do and this deck probably doesn't need it. It's fairly mana efficient by comparison to some others.
Oh definitely hoping to pull one. It'll be a good addition for some extra pseudo-draw.
As far as mana doublers go, yeah I definitely get it. As long is I'm hitting my ramp (and I am), I'm pretty good. Zendikar Resurgent has a place as a slightly harder to eliminate pseudo-Soul of the Harvest. But otherwise, I'm not going to spend mega bucks on doublers here. That being said, Harvest Season is looking like a feasible add here.
In: Rhonas the Indomitable - Good solid beater with a Rancor at will is no laughing matter. Should fit in to the Wild Pair equation too. Manglehorn - This is really here to drop the tempo for my opponents. Seems a solid add to me. Rhonas's Monument - Tempo advantage.
Out: Sandstone Oracle - I usually keep a full grip, so this guy is probably wasted here. Dictate of Karametra - I don't need the ramp, so why give it away? Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer - Un Pairable, he's a win con in himself, but susceptible to LD (which I don't get too much of but it's something to consider) and pretty transparent too.
I have to admit, yours is one of the few decks that rhona's monument would benefit handily. Manglehorn isn't a bad addition at all. How is the deck playing now that you have had some time to test it out?
It's playing really well. There's not much it can't outpace, and it's sort of bursting at the seams with threats, with lots of synergy (eg. .Mwonvuli Beast Tracker can bring Rhonas the Indomitable to my hand, Panharmonicon triggers Rhonas's Monument twice for each creature I play). I'm pretty happy. Haven't yet tried the new additions, but I'm fairly confident they will mostly play out well.
I would like another contingency plan in here though. I have Squall Line to knock someone right out of the game if needed. It would be nice to have something else that doesn't require turning creatures sideways to win just in case. But otherwise this deck is probably one of my strongest at this point, so I'm glad to have built it.
Unfortunately, rhona's monument is a cast trigger, so panharmonicon won't double it. If you want an alternative win condition, then shaman of forgotten ways might be an option. It is slightly better in a yeva deck, but as a mana dork, I have seen worse and as a giant FU to control, it will do your bidding as a win condition. You should be able to do nasty things to aggro decks.
It occurs to me that,as this deck is more or less fully formed barring a few notable exclusions, this thread should probably move to multiplayer decklists. If a mod is happy to do this that'd probably be a good idea.
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Yeah probably don't have the money to spring for that unfortunately. Come to think of it I probably don't have the money to spring for Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger either. And truth be told I cope just fine without mana doubling. It provides an insta-win with Squall Line, but it's definitely not necessary, just nice.
I hadn't really considered the horde. It's a possibility, but I am concerned that it would telegraph to some extent. I'd prefer Vizier of the Menagerie (can you tell I'm keen to pick one up?). The only other 7/7 I can see with any major value to me is Cloudthresher, and I'm not jumping out of my seat to grab one.
I think you're right, I probably am ok without pairing absolutely everything up. I still have a couple of slots to fit pieces in anyway, so still a work in progress.
With regards to mana doublers, I can see the use of running maybe 2. This isn't a deck that takes huge advantage of it like many others can, it's just an extra effect. They tend to cost a lot for what they do and this deck probably doesn't need it. It's fairly mana efficient by comparison to some others.
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Oh definitely hoping to pull one. It'll be a good addition for some extra pseudo-draw.
As far as mana doublers go, yeah I definitely get it. As long is I'm hitting my ramp (and I am), I'm pretty good. Zendikar Resurgent has a place as a slightly harder to eliminate pseudo-Soul of the Harvest. But otherwise, I'm not going to spend mega bucks on doublers here. That being said, Harvest Season is looking like a feasible add here.
EDIT:
Minor adds:
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Reclamation Sage
Yavimaya Elder
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Sylvan Safekeeper
Tajuru Preserver
In:
Rhonas the Indomitable - Good solid beater with a Rancor at will is no laughing matter. Should fit in to the Wild Pair equation too.
Manglehorn - This is really here to drop the tempo for my opponents. Seems a solid add to me.
Rhonas's Monument - Tempo advantage.
Out:
Sandstone Oracle - I usually keep a full grip, so this guy is probably wasted here.
Dictate of Karametra - I don't need the ramp, so why give it away?
Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer - Un Pairable, he's a win con in himself, but susceptible to LD (which I don't get too much of but it's something to consider) and pretty transparent too.
Sadly I did not pull Vizier of the Menagerie. I was really gutted not to see it. I did pull Harvest Season, trying it in Ghave, Guru of Spores but if it doesn't fit there it could come into Nissa.
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I would like another contingency plan in here though. I have Squall Line to knock someone right out of the game if needed. It would be nice to have something else that doesn't require turning creatures sideways to win just in case. But otherwise this deck is probably one of my strongest at this point, so I'm glad to have built it.
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Shaman of Forgotten Ways looks like a good time and as usual, is pairable so is viable. Might give it a whirl.