So I was playing my Phenax deck in my area's latest casual tournament. I was podded up with a Omnath, Locus of Mana, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Maralen of the Mornsong. By turn 5 the Kozilek player had enough mana to hardcast commander and then some. I manage to get an Eater of the Dead onto the board since I don't think any of the players knew what it did. Telling myself that the first person to attack me will get milled to death first. The Kozilek player attacks me. She forgets the annihilator trigger, I'm one to not point out missed triggers on someone elses cards. So my turn rolls around and I drop Phenax. I then proceed to mill her down to 8 cards left, after a couple of shuffles from eldrazi, and colossus triggers. All her good cards are in her graveyard. I even tried to mill the green player a bit to have some more creatures, but it seemed he was running a creature lite deck. I have to pass the turn without milling someone completely out. she happens to draw the only card in her deck to save her, getting Ugin back from the graveyard. Casts it and Exiles the entire board. She recasts commander drawing 4 cards and bringing her own to last 2-3 cards. The black player then proceeds to board wipe. All my hard work getting rid of the Kozilek player just went up in smoke. She gets everything minus all her creatures .
Turn seven I had milled through an entire deck. Lost because of a single card that didnt make it to the graveyard. Black player ends up saving her only to go infinite and burn us all in a single turn. Sad note is I'll never get to do that combo with Eater + Phenax again since they now know what the combo does.
She forgets the annihilator trigger, I'm one to not point out missed triggers on someone elses cards.
Except that it is the responsibility of all players to maintain a correct board state and catch all triggers that arent a "may." Purposely not reminding the Kozilek player of these triggers, especially in a tournament setting, is poor play and could be considered cheating.
She forgets the annihilator trigger, I'm one to not point out missed triggers on someone elses cards.
Except that it is the responsibility of all players to maintain a correct board state and catch all triggers that arent a "may." Purposely not reminding the Kozilek player of these triggers, especially in a tournament setting, is poor play and could be considered cheating.
I could buy the argument for poor play, especially in EDH, but its not even close to cheating in any environment. You are never responsible for your opponent's triggers. You are free to point out detrimental triggers and ignore benficial triggers of your opponents if you want (assuming they miss them of course), but you are in no way obligated to point them out. Since the Annihilator trigger here was controlled by an opponent, OP did not have to remind them of it.
You cannot intentionally miss your own triggers though. That would be cheating.
Also, you are right that everyone is responsible for the board state, life totals, and so on. So, if that player neglected to record the 12 damage being done to OP, the OP must point out that they lost 12 life. They can't ignore that just because an opponent forgot to mark it.
She forgets the annihilator trigger, I'm one to not point out missed triggers on someone elses cards.
Except that it is the responsibility of all players to maintain a correct board state and catch all triggers that arent a "may." Purposely not reminding the Kozilek player of these triggers, especially in a tournament setting, is poor play and could be considered cheating.
I could buy the argument for poor play, especially in EDH, but its not even close to cheating in any environment. You are never responsible for your opponent's triggers. You are free to point out detrimental triggers and ignore benficial triggers of your opponents if you want (assuming they miss them of course), but you are in no way obligated to point them out. Since the Annihilator trigger here was controlled by an opponent, OP did not have to remind them of it.
You cannot intentionally miss your own triggers though. That would be cheating.
Also, you are right that everyone is responsible for the board state, life totals, and so on. So, if that player neglected to record the 12 damage being done to OP, the OP must point out that they lost 12 life. They can't ignore that just because an opponent forgot to mark it.
After some more digging, I recant my statement and apologize to the OP. It looks like the rules on missed triggers has changed since I last played competitively, which was some time ago.
Interesting game, even more interesting case of strange ignorance of board state. Eater of the Dead + Phenax isn't exactly common but its not impossible to understand once you read both cards. It seems weird to me that Omnath or Malren didn't remind everyone of Annihilator. Its essentially free removal on the player with a combo in play. Kozilek is drawing hate and its a great opportunity to pit two players against each other.. Anyway, interesting read all around.
Turn seven I had milled through an entire deck. Lost because of a single card that didnt make it to the graveyard. Black player ends up saving her only to go infinite and burn us all in a single turn. Sad note is I'll never get to do that combo with Eater + Phenax again since they now know what the combo does.
I say keep it. There's a player in my playgroup with a Phenax deck, and Eater of the Dead is still a backbreaking combo.
Don't forget to pair your Undead Alchemist with an altar of the brood. In a 4 person game, you could literally just go off and either win there on the spot OR have an army of 2/2 zombies.
I think my deck lacks enough removal of the big titans shuffle ability. Every other person runs a set in each deck they have, so milling outright is just not a large option. I believe I have the Alchemist in the deck, dont have intruder alarm or alter. Might need to pick them up and play around with it. I sport 5 different EDH decks I rotate on a weekly basis so it always remains fresh. Still get hated out with my Mogis deck though.
Turn seven I had milled through an entire deck. Lost because of a single card that didnt make it to the graveyard. Black player ends up saving her only to go infinite and burn us all in a single turn. Sad note is I'll never get to do that combo with Eater + Phenax again since they now know what the combo does.
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*Kozilek proceeds to attack*
I wonder if it's a common Eldrazi mentality. Thx for the story.
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Except that it is the responsibility of all players to maintain a correct board state and catch all triggers that arent a "may." Purposely not reminding the Kozilek player of these triggers, especially in a tournament setting, is poor play and could be considered cheating.
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You cannot intentionally miss your own triggers though. That would be cheating.
Also, you are right that everyone is responsible for the board state, life totals, and so on. So, if that player neglected to record the 12 damage being done to OP, the OP must point out that they lost 12 life. They can't ignore that just because an opponent forgot to mark it.
After some more digging, I recant my statement and apologize to the OP. It looks like the rules on missed triggers has changed since I last played competitively, which was some time ago.
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I say keep it. There's a player in my playgroup with a Phenax deck, and Eater of the Dead is still a backbreaking combo.
You could toss in Intruder Alarm and Undead Alchemist to be double-sure.
Edit: Also consider Faces of the Past if you're running any tribal synergies. It's like a second intruder alarm
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