So, I'm still fairly new to MTG, but I absolutely love EDH. I came across the card Willbreaker and I have an Illusory Gains already in my deck.
Theoretically, if I had Willbreaker on the field and had Illusory Gains take each creature that was played, could I attach an equipment to the Creature affected by Illusory Gains to be able to take control of each Illusory Gains "victim?"
Illussory gain never targets it just attaches whenever a creature enters and it triggers :-(
As far as i know it does not trigger willbreaker
Illusory Gains has an ability that triggers from creature entering the table. That ability targets the entering creature -> Willbreakers triggered ability triggers while Illusory Gains ability is still in stack -> Willbreakers ability resolves first -> aura's ability resolves ans breaks the control gained by Willbreaker
Illusory Gains does not target creatures entering the battlefield - nowhere in the ability does it mention the word "target". It simply gets moved to them. So willbreaker does not trigger off it (As an aside, this also means it can be moved to shrouded or hexproof creatues as those effects simply prevent targetting).
There is synergy between the two cards, in that the initial cast of Illusory Gainsdoes target (as that's how casting an aura works), causing a Willbreaker trigger, so when it later moves to another creature, you get to keep the first one, but it only happens that one time, not every time it moves.
The OP's suggestion of equipping something to the stolen creatures to keep it once the aura moves on also works as far as I can tell.
While this is a rules question, illusory gains does not target. So no as soon as you equip Illsuory Gains to another creature you lose control of the one it was already attached to.
I'm still a bit confused with the trigger and control change effect with these two. Does the Willbreaker ability trigger from casting the spell or from resolving?
And if there's another control effect resolves does it remove Willbreaker's effect?
If triggered from casting then ability resolves first and spell might end the control effect. If from resolved spell then it's clear that control effect stays.
Also if triggering is from casting counter spell doesn't stop the control effect.
The willbreaker's ability is triggered by choosing the target, which occurs as part of the spell being cast or the ability being activated. So, yes, it will occur even if the spell (or ability) is countered.
If there are multiple effects that change the controller of a permanent (or spell), then the most recently applied one is active, but the other effects remain (assuming they don't have other conditions affect their duration) - thus if you end the newest one, the next newest one will take effect. So, if I Willbreaker something, then someone else uses Act of Treason on it, they will get it for a turn, but then it will return to me, as the willbreaker's effect is still there, not the original controller's. Of course, if the Willbreaker dies before the end of turn, its effect will also end and the creature would go back to it's original owner on the AoT ending.
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The question about illusory gains has been answered, but your question of equipping to 'keep' the victim has not. It does not work, as you cannot equip a creature you don't control (meaning you can't target your opponents creatures) and once you control an opponents creature via the Illusory Gains allowing you to equip it, your opponents no longer control said creature which means Willbreaker will not trigger. (it triggers when targeting a creature an 'opponent controls')
To clarify, Enchant Creature Auras always do target when first cast. Willbreaker's ability will trigger when you first cast Illusory Gains. When it moves to a new creature, you'll keep the first one as long as you control Willbreaker. However, Illusory Gains' second ability does not target, so Willbreaker won't trigger from it again.
Thanks! unnatural selection would be cheep tool for Willbreaker
I already have shape shifters and copy spells that also work. With legendaries at least the original gets destroyed if Mirror gallery is not on play. Cauldron of souls seems quite promising
thats not how unnatural selection works.
legendary is a supertype so you can't choose it.
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The question about illusory gains has been answered, but your question of equipping to 'keep' the victim has not. It does not work, as you cannot equip a creature you don't control (meaning you can't target your opponents creatures) and once you control an opponents creature via the Illusory Gains allowing you to equip it, your opponents no longer control said creature which means Willbreaker will not trigger. (it triggers when targeting a creature an 'opponent controls')
This was what I was looking for. As unfortunate as that is I knew equpping was a targeting ability. Thank you for the input
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Dominating Licid should work with Willbreaker. You target a creature -> Willbreaker triggers -> Licid turns to aura attached to the creature.
Then you can detach Licid and target another creature. Creature that Licid was attached to stays in Your control with Willbreakers effect.
Apparently Licid gets summoning sickness when turning back to creature from aura. So if You want to use the ability several times it needs haste. Or is it tapped after changing type twice?
The licid never leaves the battlefield when you activate its ability or pay to end it, it just changes types, so it won't be summoning sick. It will however be tapped if you activate and end the effect during the same turn, so you can only use it to steal something once per turn without a way to untap it afterwards.
Theoretically, if I had Willbreaker on the field and had Illusory Gains take each creature that was played, could I attach an equipment to the Creature affected by Illusory Gains to be able to take control of each Illusory Gains "victim?"
Thanks!
As far as i know it does not trigger willbreaker
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Illusory Gains does not target creatures entering the battlefield - nowhere in the ability does it mention the word "target". It simply gets moved to them. So willbreaker does not trigger off it (As an aside, this also means it can be moved to shrouded or hexproof creatues as those effects simply prevent targetting).
There is synergy between the two cards, in that the initial cast of Illusory Gains does target (as that's how casting an aura works), causing a Willbreaker trigger, so when it later moves to another creature, you get to keep the first one, but it only happens that one time, not every time it moves.
The OP's suggestion of equipping something to the stolen creatures to keep it once the aura moves on also works as far as I can tell.
There are far better ways to abuse Willbraker.
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The willbreaker's ability is triggered by choosing the target, which occurs as part of the spell being cast or the ability being activated. So, yes, it will occur even if the spell (or ability) is countered.
If there are multiple effects that change the controller of a permanent (or spell), then the most recently applied one is active, but the other effects remain (assuming they don't have other conditions affect their duration) - thus if you end the newest one, the next newest one will take effect. So, if I Willbreaker something, then someone else uses Act of Treason on it, they will get it for a turn, but then it will return to me, as the willbreaker's effect is still there, not the original controller's. Of course, if the Willbreaker dies before the end of turn, its effect will also end and the creature would go back to it's original owner on the AoT ending.
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So, obviously, I have an EDH Cube: Cubemander
Clones do not target
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thats not how unnatural selection works.
legendary is a supertype so you can't choose it.
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Ah, right, I missed that clause. Thanks for the correction.