So where is the love for poor Saskia? What are your guys thoughts on this guy? Me? Im still building the deck lol. Looks interesting and a way to help the issues that aggro runs into alot sadly...
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I love her design. This is petty, but I still am so bummed that she's not a warrior. I will make a warrior tribal deck with her at the helm, but my motivation is not high.
I think this is because amongst the five new 4c generals, Saskia is the only one who cannot have a variety of styles. Atraxa can play superfriends, infect, voltron, +1/+1 counters, or all of the above. Breya has plenty of artifact combo from previously existed decks. Yidris can be played as voltron, spellslinger, or cascade focus. The Kings, while a group-hug by default, can be played as ramp, control, or pure group hug.
Saskia has to be a creature heavy combat deck, and nothing else.
It's probably because she's not very good. Neither are the kings, but there seem to be a bunch of people who just discovered group hug thanks to it...I shudder to think what tables will look like a few weeks.
Saskia has to be a creature heavy combat deck, and nothing else.
I would argue that her overt win condition would be such, but the implementation of that win condition could be presented in several ways. There are several viable possibilities. You could be obviously aggressive, but you could just as easily do a voltron build with her. You could be a CA heavy control deck that features token engines as a win condition, or silly 6 drop stompy, or hatebears. The presence of a theme does not inherently demand an exclusive devotion to that theme. I run GCO but my deck can function outside of ETB-recur shenanigans, while still implementing the characteristics of my general.
Anyways, Saskia is my barbarian lunch lady waifu of doom and her indignant gruel of wrath will soon be served to all in our path. Blue mages be damned.
I considered buying the Saskia deck, but my interest in the 2016 commanders dropped a lot when I realized I'm already running a creature-based midrange deck. I like Saskia, but my heart will always belong to Kalemne.
I think she's very interesting and am also a bit surprised by the lack of posts. What's really intriguing to me is you can kill that player sitting there behind an army of creatures by attacking someone else. My initial thought is to run stuff that doesn't allow opponents to cast spells on your turn, then wait to cast her until you are ready to attack defenseless player x (there's always one) and name player y.
I was personallying thinking about token strategy with a few key cards.
Adriana is hilarious with Melee for everyone (since that extra damage all gets applied to the targetted opponent.
Grenzo allows for hilarity with melee. OR just exile people's decks to eat away possible answers.
Porphorous is funny in tokens, and Saskia's colors allows the best token producers (Assemble the Legion and doubling season his hilarious). And with black, you can protect a bit against wipes with stuff like Blood Artist.
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He doesn't have trample , get chump blocked by small creature easily, 6 mana kinda high, pretty sure the player you are attacking will respond very quickly.
I have 1 in my binder but I will put in my deck just testing how good he is.
I showed my nephew the new commanders, and he was like...Everything but blue...that is totally what I play when he saw Saskia. She seems like a commander with potential be alot of fun. I agree I wish she was a warrior, as she could have been the ultimate warrior general then. Especially since Kyanios and Tiro of Meletis are already Legendary soldiers in the same set.
I think Saskia is good, she just need to co-op existing strategies, like I imagine playing her a jund general and just using white selectively. I'll probably work on her after Atraxa is done (who I admit is far more interesting).
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Weiss Schwarz Sets
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
I've got a list written down, I just need to find some time to port it over to the sight (and see how atrocious I accidentally made my curve). I think she'll have love, but many people don't like her playstyle in EDH, and therefore tend to believe that every commander for it is also typically bad. Long story short, she takes a certain style of player.
I actually like Saskia, because she gives a combat multiplier not seen on any other card. Playing Aurelia, there is diminishing returns for extra combats. Playing Rafiq, there is diminishing returns for Double Strike. Playing Xenagos, well, only so much to go around with one trigger. Playing Infect, it’s hard to get that much combat effect out of a Commander. The only multiplier she doesn’t leverage is Commander damage, so you are somewhat stuck going “wide”, but that’s all.
So, you can pile on all of the other multipliers in the game, and all to full effect while still achieving the 2x multiplier from Saskia. Not too bad with Blink shenanigans, and wipe protection cards like Eerie Interlude. Can run a small equipment or Sunforger package, if desired, and get the Punishing-Grove combo w/o going Naya.
To keep it going, all the recursion you want with both W and B in the deck. Lots of synergy with the Lieges of Shadowmoor, Archetypes of X and Y, all the tribal synergies you want for any tribe outside of Blue, so on. Really, this was a good fit for the non-Blue general. Blue is still better than non-Blue, but she’s true to being non-Blue.
Also, I read the developer diary on the WOTC site about this deck, and it’s no surprise that out of the box, it’s great at putting pressure to the table. Looks like they had a good direction in mind, and plenty to work with.
"When you deal damage, deal more damage" is generally not good in EDH. See also, Darigaaz, the Igniter. All you end up with is effects like Curiosity where "damage" was standard templating, rather than "combat damage". Even then, Keen Sense on Squallmonger does it better than Saskia can.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I personally can't wait to take two people out with one Tainted Strike. The only reason I am not building her first is because my Sydri deck was ripe for transformation into Breya.
Jace SHOULD be unbanned in modern. I hate all the people saying "JACE IS BROKEN OHMYGOD HE'LL TAKE OVER AND CAWBLADE WILL REIGN SUPREME AGAIN" when bloodbraid elf literally comes down after jace and kicks jace right in the crotch, takes jace's lunch money, and jace is left to bleed out on the sidewalk in agonizing pain.
I personally can't wait to take two people out with one Tainted Strike. The only reason I am not building her first is because my Sydri deck was ripe for transformation into Breya.
I like this idea :3 Infect is certainly a method I didn't think about with Saskia. If I love combat as much as she does...
I love her design. This is petty, but I still am so bummed that she's not a warrior. I will make a warrior tribal deck with her at the helm, but my motivation is not high.
She's a soldier though and their is way more soldier support than warrior support out there.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
Breya also has some threads
Yidris has a pretty active thread as well.
Heck, hug bros have a active thread...
So where is the love for poor Saskia? What are your guys thoughts on this guy? Me? Im still building the deck lol. Looks interesting and a way to help the issues that aggro runs into alot sadly...
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
Saskia has to be a creature heavy combat deck, and nothing else.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I would argue that her overt win condition would be such, but the implementation of that win condition could be presented in several ways. There are several viable possibilities. You could be obviously aggressive, but you could just as easily do a voltron build with her. You could be a CA heavy control deck that features token engines as a win condition, or silly 6 drop stompy, or hatebears. The presence of a theme does not inherently demand an exclusive devotion to that theme. I run GCO but my deck can function outside of ETB-recur shenanigans, while still implementing the characteristics of my general.
Anyways, Saskia is my barbarian lunch lady waifu of doom and her indignant gruel of wrath will soon be served to all in our path. Blue mages be damned.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Adriana is hilarious with Melee for everyone (since that extra damage all gets applied to the targetted opponent.
Grenzo allows for hilarity with melee. OR just exile people's decks to eat away possible answers.
Porphorous is funny in tokens, and Saskia's colors allows the best token producers (Assemble the Legion and doubling season his hilarious). And with black, you can protect a bit against wipes with stuff like Blood Artist.
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/762142-saskia-the-unyielding
It is similar to the precon but I changed it a bit to a more of token/pump build. That way your creatures can do damage much more.
EDH: Xenagos, God of Revels.
I have 1 in my binder but I will put in my deck just testing how good he is.
EDH: Xenagos, God of Revels.
Main Decks
Diaochan, Iroas, God of Victory, Kaalia, Marton, Ulasht, Volrath,
Kaervek, Prossh, Titania
Amusing or Themed
Progenitus
Pauper Guildmages
Azorius Boros Dimir Golgari Gruul Izzet Korozda
Orzhov Rakdos Rix Maadi Selesyna Simic Skarrg Zameck
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
Wixoss - Just trial decks for now!
My Helpdesk
[Pr] Marath | [Pr] Lovisa | Jodah | Saskia | Najeela | Yisan | Lord Windgrace | Atraxa | Meren | Gisa and Geralf
It's unforgivable really.
Idk why people want their crappy aggro commander to suck even worse in the name of flavor.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
So, you can pile on all of the other multipliers in the game, and all to full effect while still achieving the 2x multiplier from Saskia. Not too bad with Blink shenanigans, and wipe protection cards like Eerie Interlude. Can run a small equipment or Sunforger package, if desired, and get the Punishing-Grove combo w/o going Naya.
To keep it going, all the recursion you want with both W and B in the deck. Lots of synergy with the Lieges of Shadowmoor, Archetypes of X and Y, all the tribal synergies you want for any tribe outside of Blue, so on. Really, this was a good fit for the non-Blue general. Blue is still better than non-Blue, but she’s true to being non-Blue.
Also, I read the developer diary on the WOTC site about this deck, and it’s no surprise that out of the box, it’s great at putting pressure to the table. Looks like they had a good direction in mind, and plenty to work with.
Not to mention the fact that there are almost sixty soldier token makers, and...0 berserker token makers.
Not sure how to take the last line. Personally I don't give much of a toss.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
On phasing:
I like this idea :3 Infect is certainly a method I didn't think about with Saskia. If I love combat as much as she does...
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
She's a soldier though and their is way more soldier support than warrior support out there.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'