Been really enjoying Tasigur (decklist) and was thinking how playing Forbidden Alchemy and similar just feels so good. Dumping cards in the yard for cheap is value, whether I bin something useful or just delve it all away, and digging through my library at the same time is great. I have alchemy, fact or fiction, intuition, satyr wayfinder, and some instant-speed looting spells.
What are the next best effects that give you card selection and fill your graveyard, ideally cheaply and/or at instant speed? None of them seem close to the perfection of Forbidden Alchemy: Instant, can take any card, digs 4 cards deep (and even has flashback that I haven't had the need to use yet.)
Moonlight bargain is basically another fact or fiction but 5 mana is much less appealing than 4.
There's stuff like fortune's favor and epiphany at the drownyard, neither of which I have played with, but seem like they give the opponent way too much control over what cards you get.
What are the best self-milling card selection spells? Any good ones I'm not aware of?
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3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
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2 full art damnation
You're actually in the best colors self-mill. Anyway, Life from the Loam makes a nice loop with cycling lands.
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Have you ever wanted to play Dig Through Time for 5 mana at sorcery speed, but get the cards in your graveyard? Well Ancestral Memories has got you covered!
As a complement to these cards, I'd suggest Skeletal Scrying and/or Holistic Wisdom in addition to whatever delve you may be running.
Running a few powerful cards with Dredge is always an option. Given that you already run fetches, Life from the Loam is a very obvious one. Golgari Thug could generate quite a bit of value for your deck.
What are the next best effects that give you card selection and fill your graveyard, ideally cheaply and/or at instant speed? None of them seem close to the perfection of Forbidden Alchemy: Instant, can take any card, digs 4 cards deep (and even has flashback that I haven't had the need to use yet.)
The next best things seem like grisly salvage, strategic planning or commune with the gods. I like grisly a lot, but when I think about all the good cards it doesn't let me take into my hand, it makes me want to pick one of the others. I feel like I would really regret Commune's inability to get a land, but it can get animate dead/necromancy/dance of the dead.
Moonlight bargain is basically another fact or fiction but 5 mana is much less appealing than 4.
There's stuff like fortune's favor and epiphany at the drownyard, neither of which I have played with, but seem like they give the opponent way too much control over what cards you get.
What are the best self-milling card selection spells? Any good ones I'm not aware of?
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vigean intuition
three wishes
realms uncharted
mindwrack demon
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compulsion
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unfulfilled desires
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
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There are a few other low-cmc ones like forget/ghastly discovery/careful consideration/catalog.
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Has anyone played much with moonlight bargain? Or, would you play fact or fiction if it cost 5 mana?
I like bargain in my balthor the defiled deck but I don't know if it's good enough for Sultai.
Really? That just seems like way too much mana and a horrible version of unfulfilled desires. I'd rather play merfolk looter
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On phasing:
As a complement to these cards, I'd suggest Skeletal Scrying and/or Holistic Wisdom in addition to whatever delve you may be running.
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How about any of the wheel effects? Windfall, Whispering Madness, Memory Jar, Dark Deal... Ill-Gotten Gains?
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