Okay so there was a thread that is probably still active on front page but given that one was just looking for a commander to run the deck i had my commander in mind moths ago, just never actually got around to building it. SO I am putting Eldrazi on the back burner and going to focus on a more budget friendly deck. With a new clone coming out (Stunt Double) I was wanting to compile a list of clones to put into the deck. As you know it has to be within the RUG Colors. I also want to include twincast on other spells like that. I currently have 4 Reverberate, Twincast, Fork and Reiterate. I know there are more but I do not know them.
As you can probably tell this deck will rely heavily on what my opponents play, but not entirely, i need some stuff of my own(That is where Biovisionary comes into play), I do plan on also running Perplexing Chimera and Gilded Drake just to add a bit more steal along with card like Grab the Reins, Mind Control and Insurrection. So all help appreciated, as always.
Blue (and red) has more than enough clones to choose from, between creatures, and even spells.
The hard part comes into choosing What to copy. Your opponents' stuff is good, but you also don't want to be stuck with nothing to do after a wrath, or being entirely reactive.
Here are a few fun creatures to copy with Riku that will break all of the Maths:
Hell Rider - With just Riku out, casting and copying a hell rider, then casting and copying a clone gives you 4 Hellriders. That have haste. When they attack, you get 16 damage off of triggers (4 hellriders x 4 triggers each) before blocks even happen. If you toss in a Parallel Lives for 6 hellriders, you're doing 36 damage before blocks, which can make some people quite beautifully dead. Master of Waves - With just riku on the board, getting 2 master of waves (with devotion 3) gives you 6 elementals, which are getting +2 each. Not bad for 6 mana. With a Parallel Lives on the field, you get 2 token copies of MoW for 3 masters, with devotion 4, doubled the tokens, gives you 24 elementals with +3 each. That gets quite scary. Cloning them just adds to the carnage. Chancellor of the Forge - Forget Avenger of Zendikar, With just Riku out, you get 2 Chancellors, with 3 creatures on the board (initially), which gives you 9 goblins with haste. Not too great. With Parallel Lives, you get 3 chancellors, the first of which sees 4 creatures, giving 4 tokens, the second sees 12 creatures, giving 24 tokens, and the third sees 36 creatures, and gives 72 tokens, for 98 goblins overall. With Haste. Eat your heart out AoZ. Kessig Cagebreakers - These guys don't break all the maths on their own, it's actually quite easy to math, but usually it goes, Cagebreakers + attack = people die. Sometimes simplicity is nice. Hamletback Goliath - This will break all the maths when cloned. Use at your own peril. A Kicked rite on these will break calculators. Just casting one with Riku and Doubling Season can do bad things, depending on how you stack the triggers.
Mirror Gallery - But mirror gallery isn't a creature? Cast a clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Pay for riku's trigger, get a token Riku. Congratulations you have 3 rikus. Cast another clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Have ALL the Rikus. Cast Echoing Courage. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Kill people with the clone army. Do it. For Science.
Yeah, probably missed a few more. All I did was a basic gatherer search for "as copy of creature" under Blue, Red, and Green. So it missed things like Clever Impersonator that doesn't specifically copy creatures and things like Shapesharer that becomes a copy of creatures.
Mirror Gallery - But mirror gallery isn't a creature? Cast a clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Pay for riku's trigger, get a token Riku. Congratulations you have 3 rikus. Cast another clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Have ALL the Rikus. Cast Echoing Courage. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Kill people with the clone army. Do it. For Science.
issue with this is the need for mana. UG for each trigger.
You're in green. Mana is a solution waiting to happen.
But not THAT much, i have to keep room for red mana as well. (i mean i have the option for using the intruder Alarm trick for infinite mana but seems like a dead crad if i do not have that combo available.
This is my favorite thread in weeks. I think this could be the birth of a Riku that's fun to play against!
Could very well be. most Riku decks I assume are combo )My Playgroup does not have a Riku deck. Sadly there are a few Maelstrom Wanderers so I am kind of stuck hoping RUG will not attract me as a target.
After doing some reaserach and looking at all twincasts and clones availble my pocket was at $200.00+ so I decided that i would cut down on the theme, So i need other ideas to run (I am still going with the primary theme i had but i am not going to run every cne availble, just the better ones (And clone, obviously) Same with duplicating spells (But there is only like 5 or 6) plus Riku makes up for a lack of Twincasts.
So what I am lookingf or now is other options. Maybe powerfu creatures that should be included (I Think Avenger of Zendiakar is a good option, provded i have no Mana rocks Avenger with Riku copying it is 9 lands, thus 18 plant token which will become 2/3s with 1 landd drop. May even Play it one turn, then play a clone and duplicate it getting me 36 plant token and then drop a land getting 4/5s)
As bobthefunny mentioned you also need powerful creatures by yourself in the deck, in case your opponents haven't got anything worth copying. Although Avenger of Zendikar is bonkers, i'm not a big fan of it. Casting Tooth and Nail and searching for him and Craterhoof Behemoth is quite boring IMO. Well, i have this combo already in my Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck and i avoid using it twice. So maybe you try something different and add Hornet Queen, Kalonian Hydra, Pathbreaker Ibex, Siege Behemoth or Thundermaw Hellkite.
Maybe i test these token generators he suggested in my own Riku deck. Let's see. ^^
Can't wait to see your first Riku brew.
I dont run tooth and. Ail. It broken and not fun. Even winning with it is boring. Ibex sounds lime a poor mans craterhoof. And I will grab seige. She.other because I like the idea of making all my creatures thorn elemental.
Maybe also a blightsteel would be nice.
But Riku is so versatile, so let's go back to topic and hopefully you have a decklist soon.
Im working on it I had a list and ralizing it was 80 cards meant i have to cut it down quite a bit, Then i realize i have WAY too many clone effects so I am cutting the list down even more.
Yep. I am actually going to be running all the cards Bobthefunny suggested (Except kessig, i don't want too many creature in my grave) And i will run a few you suggested as well. I am still running avenger as I have one and this is the first deck he fits in (plu si neeed to round out teh green. I try to (in most deck that run 3 colors, to have at least each color hold about 20%. I have 33-37 lands then the rest of my 99 is colored (or colorless) spells so i try to keep it even between each. (With 37 lands i have to run 62 spells.)
Yeah i think Kessig Cagebreakers is underwhelming too, but his other suggestions are great. Will be definitely a sweet Ricku deck.
Don't get me wrong, Avenger of Zendikar is an awesome card and will definitely win you games, so ofc put that card in. My Riku deck has an avg. CMC of 3,51 and i run 36 lands and 8 ramp spells. I can't remember when i got mana screwed the last time. ^^
Edit: I tried to link my Riku deck, which is on tappedout, but it didn't work.
Can you name the ramp spells? i want to ramp up but the only one i can think of that fetches me non basics is Tempt With Discovery, and i don;t want them getting lands...
I will post it as soon as it is done and let you know as well (though a few people seem to want to know lol)
I will still need to tweak it once i get tat far, but at least I will have structure to work off of.
Here is a link to my Riku deck i made a while back the idea is basically the same. I stuck with the heavy clone theme and rely mainly on my opponents. It is made to be adaptive to the decks around it. I dont run any of my own win cons really and im ok with that its mainly just a casual fun deck. I have pulled off some crazy plays tho. One game i made upwards of 20 copies of a Frost Titan. Ive ripped every basic land from my deck multiple games. Taken like 5 turns in a row off time warp. And played a copied clone legion on an elfball deck lol
Here is a link to my Riku deck i made a while back the idea is basically the same. I stuck with the heavy clone theme and rely mainly on my opponents. It is made to be adaptive to the decks around it. I dont run any of my own win cons really and im ok with that its mainly just a casual fun deck. I have pulled off some crazy plays tho. One game i made upwards of 20 copies of a Frost Titan. Ive ripped every basic land from my deck multiple games. Taken like 5 turns in a row off time warp. And played a copied clone legion on an elfball deck lol
was it your forst titan or did you copy someone elses? (Planning on adding Frost and Inferno titan)
Someone elses Frost Titan lol also ignore the Illusionist's Bracers in the decklist thats been long gone when i realized it didnt work the way i thought it did with Riku
Someone elses Frost Titan lol also ignore the Illusionist's Bracers in the decklist thats been long gone when i realized it didnt work the way i thought it did with Riku
What do you mean doesn't work the way you thought it did. It would copy the ability. If i twincast a spell wit riku, i would twincast it twice.
Someone elses Frost Titan lol also ignore the Illusionist's Bracers in the decklist thats been long gone when i realized it didnt work the way i thought it did with Riku
What do you mean doesn't work the way you thought it did. It would copy the ability. If i twincast a spell wit riku, i would twincast it twice.
Riku is triggered, not activated. Bracers don't work, just Strionic Resonator.
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Okay so there was a thread that is probably still active on front page but given that one was just looking for a commander to run the deck i had my commander in mind moths ago, just never actually got around to building it. SO I am putting Eldrazi on the back burner and going to focus on a more budget friendly deck. With a new clone coming out (Stunt Double) I was wanting to compile a list of clones to put into the deck. As you know it has to be within the RUG Colors. I also want to include twincast on other spells like that. I currently have 4 Reverberate, Twincast, Fork and Reiterate. I know there are more but I do not know them.
As you can probably tell this deck will rely heavily on what my opponents play, but not entirely, i need some stuff of my own(That is where Biovisionary comes into play), I do plan on also running Perplexing Chimera and Gilded Drake just to add a bit more steal along with card like Grab the Reins, Mind Control and Insurrection. So all help appreciated, as always.
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Clones:
Altered Ego
Body Double
Clone
Dack's Duplicate
Gigantoplasm
Mercurial Pretender
Phantasmal Image
Phrexian Metamorph
Progenitor Mimic
Quicksilver Gargantuan
Sakashima the Impostor
Sakashima's Student
Stunt Double
Vesuvan Doppleganger
Vesuvan Shapeshifter
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
You forgot Clever Impersonator
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The hard part comes into choosing What to copy. Your opponents' stuff is good, but you also don't want to be stuck with nothing to do after a wrath, or being entirely reactive.
Doubling Season (though expensive) and Parallel Lives are both great cards to power up Riku's ability, and Second Harvest can also be a fun spell to copy.
Here are a few fun creatures to copy with Riku that will break all of the Maths:
Hell Rider - With just Riku out, casting and copying a hell rider, then casting and copying a clone gives you 4 Hellriders. That have haste. When they attack, you get 16 damage off of triggers (4 hellriders x 4 triggers each) before blocks even happen. If you toss in a Parallel Lives for 6 hellriders, you're doing 36 damage before blocks, which can make some people quite beautifully dead.
Master of Waves - With just riku on the board, getting 2 master of waves (with devotion 3) gives you 6 elementals, which are getting +2 each. Not bad for 6 mana. With a Parallel Lives on the field, you get 2 token copies of MoW for 3 masters, with devotion 4, doubled the tokens, gives you 24 elementals with +3 each. That gets quite scary. Cloning them just adds to the carnage.
Chancellor of the Forge - Forget Avenger of Zendikar, With just Riku out, you get 2 Chancellors, with 3 creatures on the board (initially), which gives you 9 goblins with haste. Not too great. With Parallel Lives, you get 3 chancellors, the first of which sees 4 creatures, giving 4 tokens, the second sees 12 creatures, giving 24 tokens, and the third sees 36 creatures, and gives 72 tokens, for 98 goblins overall. With Haste. Eat your heart out AoZ.
Kessig Cagebreakers - These guys don't break all the maths on their own, it's actually quite easy to math, but usually it goes, Cagebreakers + attack = people die. Sometimes simplicity is nice.
Hamletback Goliath - This will break all the maths when cloned. Use at your own peril. A Kicked rite on these will break calculators. Just casting one with Riku and Doubling Season can do bad things, depending on how you stack the triggers.
Mirror Gallery - But mirror gallery isn't a creature? Cast a clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Pay for riku's trigger, get a token Riku. Congratulations you have 3 rikus. Cast another clone. Clone riku. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Have ALL the Rikus. Cast Echoing Courage. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers. Riku Triggers.... Kill people with the clone army. Do it. For Science.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
Yeah, probably missed a few more. All I did was a basic gatherer search for "as copy of creature" under Blue, Red, and Green. So it missed things like Clever Impersonator that doesn't specifically copy creatures and things like Shapesharer that becomes a copy of creatures.
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
Wild Ricochet
Uyo, Silent Prophet
Radiate
Odds // Ends
Mirror Sheen
Echo Mage
Dualcaster Mage
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issue with this is the need for mana. UG for each trigger.
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Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
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Could very well be. most Riku decks I assume are combo )My Playgroup does not have a Riku deck. Sadly there are a few Maelstrom Wanderers so I am kind of stuck hoping RUG will not attract me as a target.
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So what I am lookingf or now is other options. Maybe powerfu creatures that should be included (I Think Avenger of Zendiakar is a good option, provded i have no Mana rocks Avenger with Riku copying it is 9 lands, thus 18 plant token which will become 2/3s with 1 landd drop. May even Play it one turn, then play a clone and duplicate it getting me 36 plant token and then drop a land getting 4/5s)
Anyway just an idea. So what do you all propose?
EDIT: lighthouse chronologist is a other idea that can go bonkers.
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Maybe also a blightsteel would be nice.
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Im working on it I had a list and ralizing it was 80 cards meant i have to cut it down quite a bit, Then i realize i have WAY too many clone effects so I am cutting the list down even more.
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Yep. I am actually going to be running all the cards Bobthefunny suggested (Except kessig, i don't want too many creature in my grave) And i will run a few you suggested as well. I am still running avenger as I have one and this is the first deck he fits in (plu si neeed to round out teh green. I try to (in most deck that run 3 colors, to have at least each color hold about 20%. I have 33-37 lands then the rest of my 99 is colored (or colorless) spells so i try to keep it even between each. (With 37 lands i have to run 62 spells.)
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Can you name the ramp spells? i want to ramp up but the only one i can think of that fetches me non basics is Tempt With Discovery, and i don;t want them getting lands...
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I have a Scalding Tarn so i am good. (I do run Volcanic Island in Mizzix, but it is my more competitive deck so i needed it.)
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I will post it as soon as it is done and let you know as well (though a few people seem to want to know lol)
I will still need to tweak it once i get tat far, but at least I will have structure to work off of.
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i just hope it works, i tend to lose interest in decks that don't work out. (I mean just ask My Sekki, Seasons' guide or my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant decks.)
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Here is a link to my Riku deck i made a while back the idea is basically the same. I stuck with the heavy clone theme and rely mainly on my opponents. It is made to be adaptive to the decks around it. I dont run any of my own win cons really and im ok with that its mainly just a casual fun deck. I have pulled off some crazy plays tho. One game i made upwards of 20 copies of a Frost Titan. Ive ripped every basic land from my deck multiple games. Taken like 5 turns in a row off time warp. And played a copied clone legion on an elfball deck lol
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Riku is triggered, not activated. Bracers don't work, just Strionic Resonator.