So, I'm sure it's probably been done before, but I'm brewing a deck who's goal is to get my opponents to call the judge on me as many times as possible due to confusing interactions. Right now I'm thinking that some of the stars of the deck will be Humility, and Eye of the Storm. I want to try including stuff like a textless Cryptic Command, older cards with poorly written oracle text like Ice Cauldron, or cards with older less known mechanics that don't have reminder text like Camel, or Chromium. I'm also concidering as a "win-con" infinite combos that can't be stopped to force the table to draw. Stuff like Worldgorger Dragon/Animate Dead with no other creatures in my graveyard. I'm not really sure who I want my commander to be. It's probably going to be five color, but I would consider fewer colors for a commander that fit in well with the strategy. What do you guys think? Any ideas?
So what I've gathered is you're building the purest EDH deck haha. It may become annoying to explain everything to new players, but it could also just get more funny over time. You'll have to let us know if you build it.
A card I recently discussed on Rumpy5897's Daxos deck was Chains of Mephistopheles. Once you get the hang of the card its not that hard to understand, but for someone who hasn't seen it before it might make their eyes bleed, perfect for this deck
Pretty much anything old with 8 lines of text could be a good call, than just look for weird interactions. Copy effects are probably good, even if they're not too bad once you get layers. It's still fun to Vesuva something enchanted with Song of the Dryads. Illusionary Mask and Ice Cauldron both came to mind too.
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First, activate Words of Wind. (All the stuff is on the field, too.)
You can pay costs in any order. So announce that you're using Linessa's ability. It costs 2 and 'discard a card named Linessa'.
Start by paying the 2 mana. Sphere's got a mana ability, so you can use it to help pay Linessa's ability. The 'draw a card' bit is part of the ability.
The Sphere's draw part of the ability (btw: doesn't work w/ Chromatic Star, since that's a triggered ability that'll resolve after you're done paying costs) gets replaced by Wind's 'everyone bounce stuff' ability. Use it to return Linessa to your hand.
Now you finish paying the other part of the activation cost of her ability. Conveniently, you now have Linessa in hand, so you discard her. All the costs are payed, and her ability goes on the stack.
Yes, you could do it with Clones. This way is way more impressive and confusing though.
If you use Act on your turn, you'll draw 7 cards at your end step, then they'll get back Jin. You will need to discard down to 7 cards.
If you use Act on their turn, they'll discard down to 0 on cleanup, then get back Jin. They'll not draw anything.
This isn't so weird, but it's confusing unless you look at 'until end of turn', 'until next end step', and the cleanup phase.
(Also: Real judge, please double-check me on this.)
Multiple Mindslavers. One player leaves the game? Make an opponent use one while controlling them? etc.
Sylvan Library: Use a Brainstorm or whatever before it triggers. You can't prove what was or was not drawn this turn.
The Gitrog Monster + the cleanup step: Say you have 8 cards in hand. You discard a land during cleanup. Gitrog puts an ability on the stack -- which restarts the cleanup step (Dread, Eldrazi Titans, etc. can be used for this too -- anything that's put on the stack during the normally empty cleanup phase). Thus, you can chain through your deck for as long as you keep drawing and discarding lands, since each time it'll restart the step and you'll need to discard again for having 8 or more. Add Abundance for decking.
And the weirdest one of all...
Selvala Returned, Evolving Wilds, Panglacial Wurm. When cracking Wilds, you can decide whether or not you want to draw the top card of your library with Selvala after you've already looked at it from the 'search a library' trigger. But only if you have a Panglacial Wurm in your deck, although you don't need to actually have the mana to cast it.
The way you do it: start to search your library and look at the top card. If you want to keep it before it's shuffled away, announce that you're casting the Wurm. Start to pay for it with Selvala's ability to draw the card you want, similarly to the earlier trick with Linessa. (Note: if Wurm is on top, it's not while you're casting it, because it goes to the stack. So, in that case you get the previously second-to-top card now top card. Btw, Wurm is the sole, unique reason in all of MTG why you need to keep a deck ordered while searching it and before shuffling.)
The real dumb thing, though, is you can do this even if you don't have enough mana to cast the Wurm. When you fail to pay for the Wurm, the game attempts to undo everything to right before you started casting it. However, Selvala moved a card from an unknown zone to a known one (drew you AND your opponent both a card). Thus, that part of the casting can't be undone, and you are left with the card you wanted in your hand, Selvala tapped and probably with mana floating/lifegained, but no other changes on board. This is, apparently, one of the only cases in the game where you might encounter such a partial undoing of an action.
This works with many mana abilities beyond Selvala: Millikin. Potentially, reshuffling in the middle of your shuffle with Skirge Familiar or Ashnod's Altar and Darksteel Colossus (though I need to check with rules gurus on that).
In conclusion, Panglacial Wurm is the coolest single card to have had long-lasting rules issues and play ramifications and been around for so long. And it is in Modern.
From Gatherer comments:
"I'm pretty sure this is the only card in the game that generates card advantage just by being in your deck. Worth it for that reason alone."
"Fun to flash him into play, but they'll learn to be wary when you leave a fetchland uncracked during their turn. This in itself is fun."
"He's like the Spanish Inquisition."
If you want more, I recommend googling 'weirdest judge calls' or some such thing. MTG rules are a terrible, wonderful thing.
Please double-check these with judges online if you intend to use them in a deck. People are guaranteed to complain.
Also, look up the 'Judge Tower' format.
Cheers!
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"It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes... Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
A Toronto level 3 judge back in the day had a commander deck built to break rules (and peoples brains). There were licids, humility, Chains of Mephistopheles often with stuff that allows you to play things at instant speed. Dont forget stuff like Phasing not triggering ETB abilities but triggering Leaving the battlefield triggers... at least i think thats a rule. Throw a couple stupid i win combso in like Frenetic Efreet and Chance Encounter
Most importantly is play this deck only whit people who you dont want to have a friendly relationship with.
Omnidoor Thragfire was a sweet deck that actually existed in standard for a quick spurt of time. Any of those cards help for weirdness. I believe there was another awesome deck that used oblivion ring and door to nothingness to trap your opponent into taking the door and making himself the only legal target for door to nothingness and forcing it to use it on themselves. I don't have a link to it but I'm sure you can look it up!
"It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes... Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
Phasing not triggering ETB abilities but triggering Leaving the battlefield triggers... at least i think thats a rule.
It's not a rule. Phasing does not cause a zone change; the phased out permanent simply holds up a Looney Toons-esque sign that says "I'm not here!" and everyone believes it.
In a similar vein, MtG is Turing-Complete. That's right, with a four-player game, legal decks, and way-too-damn-much token copies of things and hacking, you can compute the solution to any computable problem.
I feel you need some silly layer interactions and opalescence is a must together with humility and enchanted evening. Toss in copy enchantment aswell. Then again I'm very azorius and enchanty so it might just be me liking them
There is also some interactions with mycosynth lattice and the dude that makes all artifacts into equipment and the one that attaches all equipment to himself when he enters. Can't remember the names right now though. (bludgeon brawl?)
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There is also some interactions with mycosynth lattice and the dude that makes all artifacts into equipment and the one that attaches all equipment to himself when he enters. Can't remember the names right now though. (bludgeon brawl?)
Add Soul Sculptor to turn creatures into noncreatures, and you can have creatures wielding creatures!
Also, make sure Golem-Skin Gauntlets is one of the equipment you have out for your Battlemaster, so that each land gives him +1/+0 instead of +0/+0, and pack Masterwork of Ingenuity so you can practically have a 1-drop Clever Impersonator that says "noncreature" instead of "nonland".
Hammer of Ruin also becomes a lot more impressive when it's "destroy target noncreature permanent that player controls", and Kemba, Kha Regent pumps out an army when you can equip all of your lands to her for free.
Another nasty thing to do is play the Battlemaster, move all your lands (and any other equipment you can afford) to some other creature, and then target your Battlemaster with Turn to Slag.
I hate panglacial worm as it auto crashes mtgo when put on the stack and you don't need the even need the mana to try so people who have it and are losing use it to crash the client
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See if you can convince your friends to let you play with Chaos Orb. Not only does it come with its own host of rules to memorize, but then you can Donate it for more confusion: I always wondered how manual dexterity cards interact with Mindslaver.
If you control your opponent's turn, do you drop the Chaos Orb for them?
Are you supposed to cradle their hand in yours?
Do you just tell them what to aim for with the Chaos Orb?
If you tell them to hit their Oblivion Ring, and they miss, did they cheat?
Are they even allowed to miss?
What a mess.
A card I recently discussed on Rumpy5897's Daxos deck was Chains of Mephistopheles. Once you get the hang of the card its not that hard to understand, but for someone who hasn't seen it before it might make their eyes bleed, perfect for this deck
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls - Knowledge is Power U [Primer]
R Heartless Hidetsugu - The Art of Ending Games R
GB Ishkanah, Grafwidow - The Cluster HungersBG
-Linessa, Zephyr Mage can discard herself to her own grandeur ability, without using Clones. Yes.
Needs Linessa, Chromatic Sphere, Suppression Field, Words of Wind/
First, activate Words of Wind. (All the stuff is on the field, too.)
You can pay costs in any order. So announce that you're using Linessa's ability. It costs 2 and 'discard a card named Linessa'.
Start by paying the 2 mana. Sphere's got a mana ability, so you can use it to help pay Linessa's ability. The 'draw a card' bit is part of the ability.
The Sphere's draw part of the ability (btw: doesn't work w/ Chromatic Star, since that's a triggered ability that'll resolve after you're done paying costs) gets replaced by Wind's 'everyone bounce stuff' ability. Use it to return Linessa to your hand.
Now you finish paying the other part of the activation cost of her ability. Conveniently, you now have Linessa in hand, so you discard her. All the costs are payed, and her ability goes on the stack.
Yes, you could do it with Clones. This way is way more impressive and confusing though.
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur + Act of Aggression.
If you use Act on your turn, you'll draw 7 cards at your end step, then they'll get back Jin. You will need to discard down to 7 cards.
If you use Act on their turn, they'll discard down to 0 on cleanup, then get back Jin. They'll not draw anything.
This isn't so weird, but it's confusing unless you look at 'until end of turn', 'until next end step', and the cleanup phase.
(Also: Real judge, please double-check me on this.)
Multiple Mindslavers. One player leaves the game? Make an opponent use one while controlling them? etc.
Sylvan Library: Use a Brainstorm or whatever before it triggers. You can't prove what was or was not drawn this turn.
The Gitrog Monster + the cleanup step: Say you have 8 cards in hand. You discard a land during cleanup. Gitrog puts an ability on the stack -- which restarts the cleanup step (Dread, Eldrazi Titans, etc. can be used for this too -- anything that's put on the stack during the normally empty cleanup phase). Thus, you can chain through your deck for as long as you keep drawing and discarding lands, since each time it'll restart the step and you'll need to discard again for having 8 or more. Add Abundance for decking.
And the weirdest one of all...
Selvala Returned, Evolving Wilds, Panglacial Wurm. When cracking Wilds, you can decide whether or not you want to draw the top card of your library with Selvala after you've already looked at it from the 'search a library' trigger. But only if you have a Panglacial Wurm in your deck, although you don't need to actually have the mana to cast it.
The way you do it: start to search your library and look at the top card. If you want to keep it before it's shuffled away, announce that you're casting the Wurm. Start to pay for it with Selvala's ability to draw the card you want, similarly to the earlier trick with Linessa. (Note: if Wurm is on top, it's not while you're casting it, because it goes to the stack. So, in that case you get the previously second-to-top card now top card. Btw, Wurm is the sole, unique reason in all of MTG why you need to keep a deck ordered while searching it and before shuffling.)
The real dumb thing, though, is you can do this even if you don't have enough mana to cast the Wurm. When you fail to pay for the Wurm, the game attempts to undo everything to right before you started casting it. However, Selvala moved a card from an unknown zone to a known one (drew you AND your opponent both a card). Thus, that part of the casting can't be undone, and you are left with the card you wanted in your hand, Selvala tapped and probably with mana floating/lifegained, but no other changes on board. This is, apparently, one of the only cases in the game where you might encounter such a partial undoing of an action.
This works with many mana abilities beyond Selvala: Millikin. Potentially, reshuffling in the middle of your shuffle with Skirge Familiar or Ashnod's Altar and Darksteel Colossus (though I need to check with rules gurus on that).
In conclusion, Panglacial Wurm is the coolest single card to have had long-lasting rules issues and play ramifications and been around for so long. And it is in Modern.
From Gatherer comments:
"I'm pretty sure this is the only card in the game that generates card advantage just by being in your deck. Worth it for that reason alone."
"Fun to flash him into play, but they'll learn to be wary when you leave a fetchland uncracked during their turn. This in itself is fun."
"He's like the Spanish Inquisition."
If you want more, I recommend googling 'weirdest judge calls' or some such thing. MTG rules are a terrible, wonderful thing.
Please double-check these with judges online if you intend to use them in a deck. People are guaranteed to complain.
Also, look up the 'Judge Tower' format.
Cheers!
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
Most importantly is play this deck only whit people who you dont want to have a friendly relationship with.
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Worth a read to everyone interested in breaking brains. Well, actually, if you really want to hurt craniums then here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/23qpl2/how_to_win_in_21024_9234_turns_with_7_cards/
And if you legitimately want to die, here:
http://www.soniccenter.org/sm/mtg/megacombo.html
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
In a similar vein, MtG is Turing-Complete. That's right, with a four-player game, legal decks, and way-too-damn-much token copies of things and hacking, you can compute the solution to any computable problem.
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There is also some interactions with mycosynth lattice and the dude that makes all artifacts into equipment and the one that attaches all equipment to himself when he enters. Can't remember the names right now though. (bludgeon brawl?)
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- Mycosinth Lattice
- Bludgeon Brawl
- Vulshok Battlemaster
Add Soul Sculptor to turn creatures into noncreatures, and you can have creatures wielding creatures!Also, make sure Golem-Skin Gauntlets is one of the equipment you have out for your Battlemaster, so that each land gives him +1/+0 instead of +0/+0, and pack Masterwork of Ingenuity so you can practically have a 1-drop Clever Impersonator that says "noncreature" instead of "nonland".
Hammer of Ruin also becomes a lot more impressive when it's "destroy target noncreature permanent that player controls", and Kemba, Kha Regent pumps out an army when you can equip all of your lands to her for free.
Another nasty thing to do is play the Battlemaster, move all your lands (and any other equipment you can afford) to some other creature, and then target your Battlemaster with Turn to Slag.
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If you control your opponent's turn, do you drop the Chaos Orb for them?
Are you supposed to cradle their hand in yours?
Do you just tell them what to aim for with the Chaos Orb?
If you tell them to hit their Oblivion Ring, and they miss, did they cheat?
Are they even allowed to miss?
What a mess.
Alternatively, you could just cast Word of Command. The Oracle text has been cleaned up a bit since this post, but this should give you some idea of the confusion it can create.
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