MTG Salvation

I remember playing this card in the "before times". When mana bases were trash unless you had the money for ABUR duals and even then...

The Confluence art makes for a gorgeous foil.

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Strictly better... art... than Candelabra of Tawnos.

Yanno, I wish you'd ref'd Candelabra last month so I could make a joke about how they only had enough oil for 18 hours during the Brothers' War.

Anywho, if I want this effect, I'll use Prophetic Prism (by itself in nongreen three-color decks), and probably Mana Reflection (in green decks) to turn that cantripping mana fixer into a proper mana rock.

Actually even in green, Nylea's Presence and Abundant Growth could suddenly turn a Maze of Ith or even Glacial Chasm into an actual for real mana source (I'm assuming you're not using Cathedral of Serra and friends), and Karametra's Favor could do the same to a saproling token.

@hippohugger: The semi-official name is mana fixing, but there's a tendency to use the term to refer to any and all sources of mana that produce more than one color (or things like fetchlands and Explosive Vegetation).

Somewhere out there, someone has a Zedruu deck that does nothing but give players near-useless permanents, and I suspect this could make the cut in such a deck.

Delay



Please no jokes about it's french name; you're not being funny or original if you do.

I run Delay in Maelstrom Wanderer, because the counterspells that I run in that deck, I don't want to be complete whiffs if I cascade into them. If I cascade into Delay, I can potentially cast Wanderer for free a few turns later.

It's far from the best option along those lines that I have in the deck (which definitely goes to Spelljack), but my options are fairly limited when my criteria for counters are things I'm willing to point at my commander. (I also run Ertai, Wizard Adept, Glen Elandra Archmage, Plasm Capture, and Venser, Shaper Savant, and I'd like to add Remand and Mana Drain.)

Definitely a good option for combo decks. Especially Mizzix.

Love this card. I use it all the time, especially in Edric and Bolas. Cheap easily playable in a multi colored deck. The downside is irrelevant most of the time.

Eh, not for me. I would rather only deal with a problem once.

Solid and often overlooked. Great in combo when counter efficiency is tantamount. 3 turns is a really long time, not to mention if you Delay removal or an opposing counterspell you can easily get off Scott free.

The most evil thing you can do to someone's commander is cast this spell. Why? Because most people would shrug and let it happen so they can get a free cast three turns down the road.

And when the last time counter is removed....

English foil starts from 3,75 euros and the french foil start from 34 euros at magic card market.

I absolutely love this card. I really only play it in combo decks because I can typically end the game before the suspended card is cast, or use Teferi to totally block it out. So underrated it blows my mind.

Never thought about it before but the eldrazi processors actually buffed this card and nerfed Jhoira to a not-completely-insignificant extent.

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Never thought about it before but the eldrazi processors actually buffed this card and nerfed Jhoira to a not-completely-insignificant extent.

Now if only the processors were actually EDH-playables...

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The most evil thing you can do to someone's commander is cast this spell. Why? Because most people would shrug and let it happen so they can get a free cast three turns down the road.

And when the last time counter is removed....

Wouldn't you have to play Teferi before the counter is removed, heck even before their upkeep? I'm not sure priority passes between the counter being removed and the spell being cast. If you respond to the spell being cast with Teferi, he doesn't do anything right? I'm no judge here, actually asking

If not for how totally rules-wonky suspend is, I could see this colorshifted to white.

Also, yes, this is the type of card that gives combo players Johnnygasms. "I've never countered my own spell before. I'll have to try it."

Delay is one of my favorite counterspells in EDH. Most games will end in 3 turns after the cast, or the spell will be irrelevent in 3 turns. It completely wiffs a great many spells, especially X-spells, counter spells, and conditionally auras, equipment, and pump spells.

I delayed a Harrow the other day, and it was glorious. Countering a Laboratory Maniac after a Doomsday or Demonic Consultation is absolutely hilarious.

I run this card to great effect in Edric, Spymaster of Trest, where I really appreciate the 1U cost unconditional hard counter. They typically don't get 3 turns to live.

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Wouldn't you have to play Teferi before the counter is removed, heck even before their upkeep? I'm not sure priority passes between the counter being removed and the spell being cast. If you respond to the spell being cast with Teferi, he doesn't do anything right? I'm no judge here, actually asking

Nah, it's all triggered abilities. At the beginning of their upkeep, there is a trigger to remove a counter and you can respond before it's removed. Then when the last one is removed, there is a separate trigger that has to resolve to cast the spell. That's why you can stifle suspended spells and trap them in exile forever.

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Nah, it's all triggered abilities. At the beginning of their upkeep, there is a trigger to remove a counter and you can respond before it's removed. Then when the last one is removed, there is a separate trigger that has to resolve to cast the spell. That's why you can stifle suspended spells and trap them in exile forever.

Awesome. I got that impression from one of Bob's posts but thanks for the confirmation.

Sometimes, I think this would be more powerful than a vanilla counterspell. Example: Someone casts Insurrection (or similar earth-shattering spell, like Craterhoof Behemoth). You Delay (or Ertai's Meddling) it. Calmly announce to the table that in three turns, an Insurrection is going to hit, and that you better kill that guy before it happens.

... Now I feel like I should try it out.

Delay is also great against x spells, since they get re-cast with X=0. (Ertai's Meddling, unfortunately, doesn't have this benefit, since the spell is re-cast as a copy of the original, so the value of X is repeated.)