Yanno, I wish you'd ref'd Candelabra last month so I could make a joke about how they only had enough oil for 18 hours during the Brothers' War.
Anywho, if I want this effect, I'll use Prophetic Prism (by itself in nongreen three-color decks), and probably Mana Reflection (in green decks) to turn that cantripping mana fixer into a proper mana rock.
@hippohugger: The semi-official name is mana fixing, but there's a tendency to use the term to refer to any and all sources of mana that produce more than one color (or things like fetchlands and Explosive Vegetation).
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Somewhere out there, someone has a Zedruu deck that does nothing but give players near-useless permanents, and I suspect this could make the cut in such a deck.
Please no jokes about it's french name; you're not being funny or original if you do.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I run Delay in Maelstrom Wanderer, because the counterspells that I run in that deck, I don't want to be complete whiffs if I cascade into them. If I cascade into Delay, I can potentially cast Wanderer for free a few turns later.
Love this card. I use it all the time, especially in Edric and Bolas. Cheap easily playable in a multi colored deck. The downside is irrelevant most of the time.
Solid and often overlooked. Great in combo when counter efficiency is tantamount. 3 turns is a really long time, not to mention if you Delay removal or an opposing counterspell you can easily get off Scott free.
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Current Decks GTitania midrange RGThromok tokens/goodstuff | UB Grimgrin zombie tribal GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
The most evil thing you can do to someone's commander is cast this spell. Why? Because most people would shrug and let it happen so they can get a free cast three turns down the road.
I absolutely love this card. I really only play it in combo decks because I can typically end the game before the suspended card is cast, or use Teferi to totally block it out. So underrated it blows my mind.
Never thought about it before but the eldrazi processors actually buffed this card and nerfed Jhoira to a not-completely-insignificant extent.
Now if only the processors were actually EDH-playables...
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
The most evil thing you can do to someone's commander is cast this spell. Why? Because most people would shrug and let it happen so they can get a free cast three turns down the road.
Wouldn't you have to play Teferi before the counter is removed, heck even before their upkeep? I'm not sure priority passes between the counter being removed and the spell being cast. If you respond to the spell being cast with Teferi, he doesn't do anything right? I'm no judge here, actually asking
The most evil thing you can do to someone's commander is cast this spell. Why? Because most people would shrug and let it happen so they can get a free cast three turns down the road.
Personally, I'd just Command Zone it. I'd rather be able to cast my commander in the next three turns than get a free cast, assuming even no Teferi or stifle shenanigans.
If not for how totally rules-wonky suspend is, I could see this colorshifted to white.
Also, yes, this is the type of card that gives combo players Johnnygasms. "I've never countered my own spell before. I'll have to try it."
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Delay is one of my favorite counterspells in EDH. Most games will end in 3 turns after the cast, or the spell will be irrelevent in 3 turns. It completely wiffs a great many spells, especially X-spells, counter spells, and conditionally auras, equipment, and pump spells.
I run this card to great effect in Edric, Spymaster of Trest, where I really appreciate the 1U cost unconditional hard counter. They typically don't get 3 turns to live.
Wouldn't you have to play Teferi before the counter is removed, heck even before their upkeep? I'm not sure priority passes between the counter being removed and the spell being cast. If you respond to the spell being cast with Teferi, he doesn't do anything right? I'm no judge here, actually asking
Nah, it's all triggered abilities. At the beginning of their upkeep, there is a trigger to remove a counter and you can respond before it's removed. Then when the last one is removed, there is a separate trigger that has to resolve to cast the spell. That's why you can stifle suspended spells and trap them in exile forever.
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Zedruu: "This deck is not only able to go crazy - it also needs to do so."
Nah, it's all triggered abilities. At the beginning of their upkeep, there is a trigger to remove a counter and you can respond before it's removed. Then when the last one is removed, there is a separate trigger that has to resolve to cast the spell. That's why you can stifle suspended spells and trap them in exile forever.
Awesome. I got that impression from one of Bob's posts but thanks for the confirmation.
Sometimes, I think this would be more powerful than a vanilla counterspell. Example: Someone casts Insurrection (or similar earth-shattering spell, like Craterhoof Behemoth). You Delay (or Ertai's Meddling) it. Calmly announce to the table that in three turns, an Insurrection is going to hit, and that you better kill that guy before it happens.
Delay is also great against x spells, since they get re-cast with X=0. (Ertai's Meddling, unfortunately, doesn't have this benefit, since the spell is re-cast as a copy of the original, so the value of X is repeated.)
The Confluence art makes for a gorgeous foil.
amazingly epic sig courtesy of DarkNightCavalier at Heroes of the Planes.
Yanno, I wish you'd ref'd Candelabra last month so I could make a joke about how they only had enough oil for 18 hours during the Brothers' War.
Anywho, if I want this effect, I'll use Prophetic Prism (by itself in nongreen three-color decks), and probably Mana Reflection (in green decks) to turn that cantripping mana fixer into a proper mana rock.
Actually even in green, Nylea's Presence and Abundant Growth could suddenly turn a Maze of Ith or even Glacial Chasm into an actual for real mana source (I'm assuming you're not using Cathedral of Serra and friends), and Karametra's Favor could do the same to a saproling token.
@hippohugger: The semi-official name is mana fixing, but there's a tendency to use the term to refer to any and all sources of mana that produce more than one color (or things like fetchlands and Explosive Vegetation).
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Please no jokes about it's french name; you're not being funny or original if you do.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
It's far from the best option along those lines that I have in the deck (which definitely goes to Spelljack), but my options are fairly limited when my criteria for counters are things I'm willing to point at my commander. (I also run Ertai, Wizard Adept, Glen Elandra Archmage, Plasm Capture, and Venser, Shaper Savant, and I'd like to add Remand and Mana Drain.)
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EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
Current Decks
GTitania midrange
RGThromok tokens/goodstuff | UB Grimgrin zombie tribal
GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
And when the last time counter is removed....
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Draft my Peasant Cube.
Now if only the processors were actually EDH-playables...
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Ulamog's Nullifier is pretty close.
Wouldn't you have to play Teferi before the counter is removed, heck even before their upkeep? I'm not sure priority passes between the counter being removed and the spell being cast. If you respond to the spell being cast with Teferi, he doesn't do anything right? I'm no judge here, actually asking
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
Personally, I'd just Command Zone it. I'd rather be able to cast my commander in the next three turns than get a free cast, assuming even no Teferi or stifle shenanigans.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
Also, yes, this is the type of card that gives combo players Johnnygasms. "I've never countered my own spell before. I'll have to try it."
On phasing:
I delayed a Harrow the other day, and it was glorious. Countering a Laboratory Maniac after a Doomsday or Demonic Consultation is absolutely hilarious.
I run this card to great effect in Edric, Spymaster of Trest, where I really appreciate the 1U cost unconditional hard counter. They typically don't get 3 turns to live.
Nah, it's all triggered abilities. At the beginning of their upkeep, there is a trigger to remove a counter and you can respond before it's removed. Then when the last one is removed, there is a separate trigger that has to resolve to cast the spell. That's why you can stifle suspended spells and trap them in exile forever.
Awesome. I got that impression from one of Bob's posts but thanks for the confirmation.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
... Now I feel like I should try it out.
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