Lethal Vapors + Teferi's Protection + krosan grip = infinite disappear and wait for your opponents to deck themselves from drawing for turn, krosan grip to destroy while you hold priority so your opponents don't one for one you on the missing turns
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Su-Chi equippwd with Nim Deathmantle + sacrifice outlet: Infinite sacrifices + infinite triggers. Change Su Chi for Composite Golem and you have infinite mana in any combination, but it is limited to 5c. Add a Stone haven Outfitter to draw any ammount in mono white.
Before las rotation, I got tje idea in my head of exploiting the infinite cast potential of greenbelt rampager, sonI was determined to make the jank run rampant and built a dck with the following combo, this is very bad:
Rampager in hand
Rishkar, Spontaneous Artist, Either Rhonas or Kefnet Monument and the enchantment tbat makes creatures explore on ETB.
So, cast Rampager, explore, and if you got a +1/+1 counter, you spent one eneegy to give it haste and add G. As you didn't have the two energies, it bounced back.
I got it to work on the fourth match I played with Kefnet as wincon.
Tangleroot is a solid upgrade to other foemats. with it and spontaneous artist you get the infinite casts.
Lethal Vapors + Teferi's Protection + krosan grip = infinite disappear and wait for your opponents to deck themselves from drawing for turn, krosan grip to destroy while you hold priority so your opponents don't one for one you on the missing turns
How does this work, exactly?
You activate Lethal Vapors many, many times, then respond to those activations with Krosan Grip so that your opponents can't activate it and also skip turns. Then Teferi's Protection to be untouchable during those turns. It's like putting yourself in suspended animation to outlive your opponents.
I saw it in an Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim deck inspired by the BLAME! manga that did a lot of search-opponent-library-exile to make sure opponents were stripped of ways to recycle their libraries to 'survive' those many turns. The thread has since been deleted, though.
Lethal Vapors + Teferi's Protection + krosan grip = infinite disappear and wait for your opponents to deck themselves from drawing for turn, krosan grip to destroy while you hold priority so your opponents don't one for one you on the missing turns
How does this work, exactly?
You activate Lethal Vapors many, many times, then respond to those activations with Krosan Grip so that your opponents can't activate it and also skip turns. Then Teferi's Protection to be untouchable during those turns. It's like putting yourself in suspended animation to outlive your opponents.
I saw it in an Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim deck inspired by the BLAME! manga that did a lot of search-opponent-library-exile to make sure opponents were stripped of ways to recycle their libraries to 'survive' those many turns. The thread has since been deleted, though.
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Lethal Vapors + Teferi's Protection + krosan grip = infinite disappear and wait for your opponents to deck themselves from drawing for turn, krosan grip to destroy while you hold priority so your opponents don't one for one you on the missing turns
How does this work, exactly?
You activate Lethal Vapors many, many times, then respond to those activations with Krosan Grip so that your opponents can't activate it and also skip turns. Then Teferi's Protection to be untouchable during those turns. It's like putting yourself in suspended animation to outlive your opponents.
I saw it in an Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim deck inspired by the BLAME! manga that did a lot of search-opponent-library-exile to make sure opponents were stripped of ways to recycle their libraries to 'survive' those many turns. The thread has since been deleted, though.
Your opponents can wait for Krogan Grip to resolve before activating it to the same value that you did, and if they all do that then the game goes back to normal.
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Your opponents can wait for Krogan Grip to resolve before activating it to the same value that you did, and if they all do that then the game goes back to normal.
Once Krosan Grip resolves, Vapors is no longer on the table. As long as you hold priority after playing Vapors and after every activation there's no window for your opponents to activate it.
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Okay I didn't consider Gripping your own Vapors but only using it for the split second. That's still janky af but it works.
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I think Expansion just needs a target initially. Original Expansion targets that other spell, then Doublecast copies it and the copy targets the original Expansion — from there on it's self-sustaining. Same would be true for Fork/Reverberate/etc, though.
Ral, Storm Conduit's -2 ability is the link you are missing, I believe. Use the -2, then cast Doublecast, causing Ral's delayed trigger from the -2 to trigger, copying Doublecast. Let just that copy resolve, then cast any Fork variant targeting the original Doublecast still on the stack. The delayed trigger from the copied and resolved Doublecast will trigger, doubling your Fork, which you use to copy the Fork still on the stack, resulting in infinite copies and Ral triggers.
EDIT: Howl of the Horde would be another Doublecast effect to run for the sake of redundancy.
Ral, Storm Conduit's -2 ability is the link you are missing, I believe. Use the -2, then cast Doublecast, causing Ral's delayed trigger from the -2 to trigger, copying Doublecast. Let just that copy resolve, then cast any Fork variant targeting the original Doublecast still on the stack. The delayed trigger from the copied and resolved Doublecast will trigger, doubling your Fork, which you use to copy the Fork still on the stack, resulting in infinite copies and Ral triggers.
That does work! Thanks for explaining it. So both Howl of the Horde & Doublecast plus any Fork get the job done, or any combination of a spell plus two Forks.
boros reckoner + eldrazi monument + furnace of rath= infinite damage to any target. Pile all the damage triggers onto boros reckoner doubling every time and re-triggering his ability until you change target to an opponent
Thousand-Year Storm + a red ritual or anything which untaps + Reiterate = Infinite mana, infinite storm count, infinite Reiterate of any other spell.
For example:
Cast Pyretic Ritual Thousand-Year Storm triggers at zero (0)
Cast Reiterate with buyback and target Pyretic Ritual Thousand-Year Storm triggers and will copy Reiterate once. That copy also targets Pyretic Ritual.
The stack begins to resolve and you will have RRR from the TYS copy of Reiterate, then you will have RRR from the original Reiterate with buyback, resulting in the six red mana needed to cast Reiterate with buyback from your hand.
This will now have Thousand-Year Storm trigger twice and begin giving you positive red mana.
If you have an untap effect like Reset, Reality Spasm or maybe Dramatic Reversal and enough mana from mana rocks to net at least 2R to keep recasting Reiterate (the second copy resolving will give you the second red you need), then you can also go off.
With a cost reduction of 1, two spells means it cost 2 less to go off. Suddenly Pyretic Ritual + Reiterate only costs the same six mana to go off as was needed to cast Thousand-Year Storm. That means it is not in the realm of turn 12+ magic Christmas land either.
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Sac Xiahou Dun putting Deathrender trigger on the stack first and then targeting card in graveyard, Pay 2 to copy Xiahou Dun's ability with Rings targeting Xiahou Dun. Xiahou Dun and target black card in graveyard go to your hand an then Deathrender's trigger resolves putting Xiahou Dun back into play with Deathrender attached, ready to go again.
Basically it boils down to 2: Return target black card from your graveyard to your hand.
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For a quick summary if you need it, this is actually a combination of two combos:
1 - Infinite mana. Rings+Monolith
You'll need 2 extra mana to start,
Activate the basalt monolith for 3 mana.
Use the 3 mana to untap the Basalt monolith. Copy the untap ability with Rings of brighthearth by paying 2.
Your two untaps will yield you 6 mana. Untapping + copy takes 5 mana. You now have infinite mana.
2 - Card draw off of Rings+Top
Activate the top to draw a card. Pay 2 mana to copy it with Rings.
When the copy resolves, you'll draw a card and put the Top on top of the library.
When the original ability resolves, you'll draw a card (the Top), and fail to put the top on the library, since it's no longer in play.
For 1 mana, recast the Top.
Congratulations, you have drawn a card for 3 mana. If you hypothetically had infinite mana due to another combo that involved rings anyways, you might be able to draw lots of cards.
How does this work, exactly?
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Before las rotation, I got tje idea in my head of exploiting the infinite cast potential of greenbelt rampager, sonI was determined to make the jank run rampant and built a dck with the following combo, this is very bad:
Rampager in hand
Rishkar, Spontaneous Artist, Either Rhonas or Kefnet Monument and the enchantment tbat makes creatures explore on ETB.
So, cast Rampager, explore, and if you got a +1/+1 counter, you spent one eneegy to give it haste and add G. As you didn't have the two energies, it bounced back.
I got it to work on the fourth match I played with Kefnet as wincon.
Tangleroot is a solid upgrade to other foemats. with it and spontaneous artist you get the infinite casts.
I saw it in an Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim deck inspired by the BLAME! manga that did a lot of search-opponent-library-exile to make sure opponents were stripped of ways to recycle their libraries to 'survive' those many turns. The thread has since been deleted, though.
Edit: Also, it used stuff like Grand Abolisher instead of Krosan Grip.
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R Zada Arcane Storm
RBU Marchesa
GWU Estrid
GWR Samut?
URB Kess
(R/W)(U/B) Akiri & Silas
BWR Alesha
R Neheb Dragons
G Nylea Wurms
W Darien
U Tetsuko
Thanks for the clarification!
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Your opponents can wait for Krogan Grip to resolve before activating it to the same value that you did, and if they all do that then the game goes back to normal.
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How does this work? You cast Doublecast, then go to cast whatever instant or sorcery. Doublecast's delayed trigger triggers & copies it. Now what?
I believe you need two proper Forks (Expansion works, of course) or Fury Storm after having cast your commander at least once.
Edit: See correction below.
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R Zada Arcane Storm
RBU Marchesa
GWU Estrid
GWR Samut?
URB Kess
(R/W)(U/B) Akiri & Silas
BWR Alesha
R Neheb Dragons
G Nylea Wurms
W Darien
U Tetsuko
EDIT: Howl of the Horde would be another Doublecast effect to run for the sake of redundancy.
That does work! Thanks for explaining it. So both Howl of the Horde & Doublecast plus any Fork get the job done, or any combination of a spell plus two Forks.
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Thousand-Year Storm + a red ritual or anything which untaps + Reiterate = Infinite mana, infinite storm count, infinite Reiterate of any other spell.
For example:
Cast Pyretic Ritual
Thousand-Year Storm triggers at zero (0)
Cast Reiterate with buyback and target Pyretic Ritual
Thousand-Year Storm triggers and will copy Reiterate once. That copy also targets Pyretic Ritual.
The stack begins to resolve and you will have RRR from the TYS copy of Reiterate, then you will have RRR from the original Reiterate with buyback, resulting in the six red mana needed to cast Reiterate with buyback from your hand.
This will now have Thousand-Year Storm trigger twice and begin giving you positive red mana.
If you have an untap effect like Reset, Reality Spasm or maybe Dramatic Reversal and enough mana from mana rocks to net at least 2R to keep recasting Reiterate (the second copy resolving will give you the second red you need), then you can also go off.
This can be a mana intensive loop to get started, but I play Mizzix of the Izmagnus, and that deck has several redundant cost reducers such as Goblin Electromancer, Baral, Chief of Compliance, Jace's Sanctum, Sapphire and Ruby Medallion and so forth.
With a cost reduction of 1, two spells means it cost 2 less to go off. Suddenly Pyretic Ritual + Reiterate only costs the same six mana to go off as was needed to cast Thousand-Year Storm. That means it is not in the realm of turn 12+ magic Christmas land either.
Deathrender + Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed + Rings of Brighthearth to copy Xiahou Dun's ability.
Sac Xiahou Dun putting Deathrender trigger on the stack first and then targeting card in graveyard, Pay 2 to copy Xiahou Dun's ability with Rings targeting Xiahou Dun. Xiahou Dun and target black card in graveyard go to your hand an then Deathrender's trigger resolves putting Xiahou Dun back into play with Deathrender attached, ready to go again.
Basically it boils down to 2: Return target black card from your graveyard to your hand.
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Dual Casting + any creature + Hidden Strings + Something that taps for R and more (Empowered Autogenerator, Izzet Boilerworks) + Something to do with the mana (Fireball) or copy triggers (Ral, Storm Conduit).
just for those that it concerns, the explanation link does not work. it goes to a page and says "you are forbidden to perform this action."
Interesting. It's a legacy link, but it should redirect fine, and did for me. I'll note it for the techs. The link just goes to this post:
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/204377-infinite-combos-database-now-looking-for?page=6#c126
For a quick summary if you need it, this is actually a combination of two combos:
1 - Infinite mana. Rings+Monolith
2 - Card draw off of Rings+Top
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Use the obelisk in respond of the (0) activation of adjani !
Zaxara, the Exemplary + Freed from the RealorPemmin's Aura = Infinite Black/green mana
Jegantha, the Wellspring + Freed from the RealorPemmin's Aura = Infinite colored mana unless blue
Zirda, the Dawnwaker + Basalt Monolith or Grim Monolith = Infinite colorless mana
jehantha is infinite white/black/green/red and can't be used for generic mana