I was thinking about adding some beefier creatures to my Tasigur list as a wincon when I thought about the non shuffle Eldrazi. In particular Spawnsire of Ulamog as a pipe dream and/or beater.
Training Grounds is also in the list which got me thinking with both on the board I can have infinite ETB and death triggers.
The question is, what can I do with this in a BUG Tasigur list to turn this into a real win?
They're definitely pretty clear choices but in a Tasigur build they don't add much to the overall deck. Altar of the Brood is definitely a consideration though because it's so cheap to cast
It may be worth asking your playgroup for some opinions before doing too much with Spawnsire, as while his token ability is fair game, groups will have varying opinions as to whether/how you can use his secondary ability. If your playgroup is fine with you using an optional sideboard, you could make a decent toolbox to make use of Spawnsire + some combination of Cunning Wish/Death Wish/Living Wish. In particular, Living Wish is an alternative way to tutor up Eldrazi, while Cunning Wish can grab a variety of instant speed effects (including Not of This World if you want to keep the Eldrazi-flavored shenanigans).
It may be worth asking your playgroup for some opinions before doing too much with Spawnsire, as while his token ability is fair game, groups will have varying opinions as to whether/how you can use his secondary ability. If your playgroup is fine with you using an optional sideboard, you could make a decent toolbox to make use of Spawnsire + some combination of Cunning Wish/Death Wish/Living Wish. In particular, Living Wish is an alternative way to tutor up Eldrazi, while Cunning Wish can grab a variety of instant speed effects (including Not of This World if you want to keep the Eldrazi-flavored shenanigans).
That's a really good point about the sideboard rulings. They're normally pretty casual and lenient about these sorts of things but its definitely different when you're at the pointy end of 20 Eldrazi dropped into play.
With a sideboard and Living Wish though I wouldn't even have to add Spawnsire to the deck so something to think about there.
Effects like this certainly work. There's also Heartstone as the third card in the combo. Instead of winning via death/etb triggers you gain infinite mana with which to activate Spawnsire of Ulamog's other ability. If investing in a huge pile of mythic rare Eldrazi titans doesn't sound too appealing, you can win by casting 500 copies of Nest Invader and then championing them to 500 copies of Changeling Berserker and attacking. Variant: exile annoying Peacekeeper/Magus of the Moat type creatures with Crib Swap.
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The only other things I can think of to abuse these triggers are Bitter Ordeal (exile everyone's library), Grave Pact effects (which may not be great in your deck) or something like Essence Warden, which is probably not great in your deck.
Effects like this certainly work. There's also Heartstone as the third card in the combo. Instead of winning via death/etb triggers you gain infinite mana with which to activate Spawnsire of Ulamog's other ability. If investing in a huge pile of mythic rare Eldrazi titans doesn't sound too appealing, you can win by casting 500 copies of Nest Invader and then championing them to 500 copies of Changeling Berserker and attacking. Variant: exile annoying Peacekeeper/Magus of the Moat type creatures with Crib Swap.
That's a great idea with heartstone. It might let me use the second ability more reliably too.
I'd have to check with my playgroup about the sideboarding rules they agree on but it sounds fun to put together a pile of shapeshifter and tribal eldrazi cards for a win.
I really like Bitter Ordeal and wasn't sure it could be used with tokens until I just checked. With the tutors and recursion ran in Tasigur it wouldn't have to clog up my hand either. I'll give it a try thanks
...but first hop on pucatrade and pick up like 250 copies of Ulamog's Crusher.
I already run clever impersonator but totally forgot it was capable of that. Luckily I have exactly a massive pile from when I played a terrible casual 60 card deck with Spawnsire
That's a great idea with heartstone. It might let me use the second ability more reliably too.
I'd have to check with my playgroup about the sideboarding rules they agree on but it sounds fun to put together a pile of shapeshifter and tribal eldrazi cards for a win.
Heartstone also has direct synergy with Tasigur, the Golden Fang where as Blood Artist and friends do not. If your playgroup only allows Spawnsire to access cards in a 10-card sideboard, then the correct pile is probably something like
Enough All is Dusts to assure that at least one of them resolves to clean up what Ulamog missed.
Crib Swaps, just in case there's an indestructible colorless creature giving you trouble.
Enough other random Eldrazi creatures to only need one combat during your first extra turn to finish the game.
Even if your playgroup is OK with Spawnsire dumping a binder full of Eldrazi on the table, this list is prohibitively expensive (money-wise), especially since you never get to play the cards for more than a few seconds at a time. Of the budget options available, ending with a zillion Changeling Berserkers has to be best because 5 zillion hasty power is the only way (that I can think of) of ending the game on the turn you combo out that doesn't involve the (banned) Aeons Torn. My original suggestion of using Nest Invaders as champion fodder was pretty arbitrary. I do think the champ-chumps should be token-producing Eldrazi Drones because it makes it harder for people to interfere with your championing by killing a guy in response. Emrakul's Hatcher is probably the way to go since it dodges random things like Æther Flash. In any event we're talking super small margins here; pretty much anything after "activate Spawnsire" should lead to a win.
Training Grounds is also in the list which got me thinking with both on the board I can have infinite ETB and death triggers.
The question is, what can I do with this in a BUG Tasigur list to turn this into a real win?
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That's a really good point about the sideboard rulings. They're normally pretty casual and lenient about these sorts of things but its definitely different when you're at the pointy end of 20 Eldrazi dropped into play.
With a sideboard and Living Wish though I wouldn't even have to add Spawnsire to the deck so something to think about there.
Effects like this certainly work. There's also Heartstone as the third card in the combo. Instead of winning via death/etb triggers you gain infinite mana with which to activate Spawnsire of Ulamog's other ability. If investing in a huge pile of mythic rare Eldrazi titans doesn't sound too appealing, you can win by casting 500 copies of Nest Invader and then championing them to 500 copies of Changeling Berserker and attacking. Variant: exile annoying Peacekeeper/Magus of the Moat type creatures with Crib Swap.
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That's a great idea with heartstone. It might let me use the second ability more reliably too.
I'd have to check with my playgroup about the sideboarding rules they agree on but it sounds fun to put together a pile of shapeshifter and tribal eldrazi cards for a win.
...but first hop on pucatrade and pick up like 250 copies of Ulamog's Crusher.
Flesh allegery seems pretty fantastic but just for being limited to one person it probably won't make it's way in.
I already run clever impersonator but totally forgot it was capable of that. Luckily I have exactly a massive pile from when I played a terrible casual 60 card deck with Spawnsire
Heartstone also has direct synergy with Tasigur, the Golden Fang where as Blood Artist and friends do not. If your playgroup only allows Spawnsire to access cards in a 10-card sideboard, then the correct pile is probably something like
If, on the other hand, your playgroup allows Spawnsire to get any Eldrazi card you own that's not in your deck then I think the best pile is
- Enough Emrakul, the Aeons Torns to let you take the rest of the turns in the game even if each opponents' hand is full of Stifles.
- Enough Ulamog, the Infinite Gyrs to blow up every destructible permanent, again assuming everyone is ready with Stifle.
- Enough All is Dusts to assure that at least one of them resolves to clean up what Ulamog missed.
- Crib Swaps, just in case there's an indestructible colorless creature giving you trouble.
- Enough other random Eldrazi creatures to only need one combat during your first extra turn to finish the game.
Even if your playgroup is OK with Spawnsire dumping a binder full of Eldrazi on the table, this list is prohibitively expensive (money-wise), especially since you never get to play the cards for more than a few seconds at a time. Of the budget options available, ending with a zillion Changeling Berserkers has to be best because 5 zillion hasty power is the only way (that I can think of) of ending the game on the turn you combo out that doesn't involve the (banned) Aeons Torn. My original suggestion of using Nest Invaders as champion fodder was pretty arbitrary. I do think the champ-chumps should be token-producing Eldrazi Drones because it makes it harder for people to interfere with your championing by killing a guy in response. Emrakul's Hatcher is probably the way to go since it dodges random things like Æther Flash. In any event we're talking super small margins here; pretty much anything after "activate Spawnsire" should lead to a win.