Balancing Act and friends can still be a combo of sorts, as you get to choose the order in which your Hellcarver pile is resolved. So any of the following:
If you're looking to play a little more fairly, mass flicker effects like Ghostway before the Hellcarver trigger resolves, or Living End/Living Death in the Hellcarver pile can do some solid work.
Then Balancing Act leaves everyone with no cards in hand and 1 permanent, Savage Beating gives an extra combat, Morningtide exiles all the stuff that went away, and spellbomb and mirror hit play. Sac the mirror, respond by activating the spellbomb. Both get exiled before the mirror ability resolves, so they can be chosen again, except this time you use all 6 hellcarver slots:
Obviously you sacrifice the angel to Crack the Earth. After this iteration, your life is 40, you've exiled every card from your opponent's hands and every permanent they had in play. Thus, we can begin our ultimate plan!
As such, you have another combat, you set everyone's life total back up to 40, you sacrifice the Arbiter, you exile 1 card from an opponent's library, then activate mirror responding with spellbomb to exile your graveyard to make the same exact pile. Repeat this process until you have exiled every card from every library. Then, for the final pile, you make.
Doing those in that order, you set everyone back to 40, you destroy your creatures, and then you exile your graveyard. Then you pass the turn and win the game with every single player having 40 life and all 99 cards in exile.
And then you have no friends ever again.
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Then Balancing Act leaves everyone with no cards in hand and 1 permanent, Savage Beating gives an extra combat, Morningtide exiles all the stuff that went away, and spellbomb and mirror hit play. Sac the mirror, respond by activating the spellbomb. Both get exiled before the mirror ability resolves, so they can be chosen again, except this time you use all 6 hellcarver slots:
Obviously you sacrifice the angel to Crack the Earth. After this iteration, your life is 40, you've exiled every card from your opponent's hands and every permanent they had in play. Thus, we can begin our ultimate plan!
As such, you have another combat, you set everyone's life total back up to 40, you sacrifice the Arbiter, you exile 1 card from an opponent's library, then activate mirror responding with spellbomb to exile your graveyard to make the same exact pile. Repeat this process until you have exiled every card from every library. Then, for the final pile, you make.
Doing those in that order, you set everyone back to 40, you destroy your creatures, and then you exile your graveyard. Then you pass the turn and win the game with every single player having 40 life and all 99 cards in exile.
And then you have no friends ever again.
diabolical
im assuming you want to run kaliaa the vast for that
what other awesome things can you guys come up with anything up to 3 color is fine
why time stretch? seems a bit underpowered/unthematic here. if we're going for broke, final fortune is the way to go here!
the way how i see it, if you can't win the game with hellcarver demon with an extra attack step AND an extra turn, you really aren't doing it right/deserve the game loss (i wouldn't wanna sit there waiting for another player to goldfish for more than 3 turns like that, especially with mirror of fate/doomsday searching gimmicks).
diabolical
im assuming you want to run kaliaa the vast for that
Most definitely. We've already got a demon and an angel involved! But if I were seriously playing a Kaalia of the Vast deck designed to do Hellcarver Demon nonsense, I wouldn't actually play some of those cards. I don't think I could justify playing Arbiter of Knollridge and Morningtide just to play with my food. The infinite Hellcarver loop works just fine while playing all cards that are otherwise useful.
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You can now loop every turn by:
- Drawing Faerie
- Saccing Nexus and Ravager
- Exile them by discarding the Faerie (necessary so you don't draw a card each time you loop through the combo.
- Use Nihil Spellbomb and Mirror of Fate to set up the library for next turn.
The problem with Possibility Storm and Hellcarver Demon is that casting spells off of the demon doesn't trigger Possibility Storm as the enchantment reads "from hand"
The problem with Possibility Storm and Hellcarver Demon is that casting spells off of the demon doesn't trigger Possibility Storm as the enchantment reads "from hand"
ahh right my bad
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yea was thinking about bitter ordeal faith reward any duplication spell
thats super harsh
lookning for combo piles tho
Balancing Act
Cataclysm
Razia's Purification
Restore Balance
Or most forms of MLD/Wraths in general, could be followed up in the same pile by:
Faith's Reward
Twilight Shepherd
Praetor's Counsel
No Rest for the Wicked
And other mass recursion cards.
If you're looking to play a little more fairly, mass flicker effects like Ghostway before the Hellcarver trigger resolves, or Living End/Living Death in the Hellcarver pile can do some solid work.
RRR - Bosh's School of Hard(cover) Knocks
Restore Balance;
Aurelia, the Warleader;
Savage Beating;
Primal Command;
Mirror of Fate;
On additional attack step, using Mirror before Hellcarver's trigger:
Fated Return;
Lotus Petal;
Talisman of Unity;
Paradigm Shift;
Mystical Tutor;
Then you use Tutor for Savage Beating and pay his kicker with Talisman / Petal.
Don't mess with piles and repeat all process.
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Card Draw x4
Keeps it simple, and you win right after he attacks.
Beating Face with Bane
Beatrice, the Golden Witch
If you Doomsday in:
Balancing Act
Savage Beating
Morningtide
Nihil Spellbomb
Mirror of Fate
Then Balancing Act leaves everyone with no cards in hand and 1 permanent, Savage Beating gives an extra combat, Morningtide exiles all the stuff that went away, and spellbomb and mirror hit play. Sac the mirror, respond by activating the spellbomb. Both get exiled before the mirror ability resolves, so they can be chosen again, except this time you use all 6 hellcarver slots:
Resolute Archangel
Crack the Earth
Savage Beating
Morningtide
Nihil Spellbomb
Mirror of Fate
Obviously you sacrifice the angel to Crack the Earth. After this iteration, your life is 40, you've exiled every card from your opponent's hands and every permanent they had in play. Thus, we can begin our ultimate plan!
Savage Beating
Arbiter of Knollridge
Crack the Earth
Praetor's Grasp
Nihil Spellbomb
Mirror of Fate
As such, you have another combat, you set everyone's life total back up to 40, you sacrifice the Arbiter, you exile 1 card from an opponent's library, then activate mirror responding with spellbomb to exile your graveyard to make the same exact pile. Repeat this process until you have exiled every card from every library. Then, for the final pile, you make.
Arbiter of Knollridge
Damnation
Nihil Spellbomb
Doing those in that order, you set everyone back to 40, you destroy your creatures, and then you exile your graveyard. Then you pass the turn and win the game with every single player having 40 life and all 99 cards in exile.
And then you have no friends ever again.
diabolical
im assuming you want to run kaliaa the vast for that
what other awesome things can you guys come up with anything up to 3 color is fine
we also have
phyrexian unlife
Necropotence or any other pay life card like treasonous ogre
repay in kind
and in different colors
scroll rack
enter the infinite
time stretch or its kin
soul ring(any rock works)
place win con combo x on your library
the way how i see it, if you can't win the game with hellcarver demon with an extra attack step AND an extra turn, you really aren't doing it right/deserve the game loss (i wouldn't wanna sit there waiting for another player to goldfish for more than 3 turns like that, especially with mirror of fate/doomsday searching gimmicks).
Legacy - Solidarity - mono U aggro - burn - Imperial Painter - Strawberry Shortcake - Bluuzards - bom
Most definitely. We've already got a demon and an angel involved! But if I were seriously playing a Kaalia of the Vast deck designed to do Hellcarver Demon nonsense, I wouldn't actually play some of those cards. I don't think I could justify playing Arbiter of Knollridge and Morningtide just to play with my food. The infinite Hellcarver loop works just fine while playing all cards that are otherwise useful.
Doomsday for:
Nihil Spellbomb
Arcbound Ravager
Ugin's Nexus
Mirror of Fate
And any other card.
Attack with Hellcarver Demon to get the 4 in play.
Sac nexus to ravager, then sac ravager to itself.
Use Spellbomb + Mirror to stack your library with:
Faerie Macabre
Nihil Spellbomb
Arcbound Ravager
Ugin's Nexus
Mirror of Fate
Then take your extra turn from Nexus.
You can now loop every turn by:
- Drawing Faerie
- Saccing Nexus and Ravager
- Exile them by discarding the Faerie (necessary so you don't draw a card each time you loop through the combo.
- Use Nihil Spellbomb and Mirror of Fate to set up the library for next turn.
sweet
2)what else is good on its own for hellcarver piles assuming we don't hit dooms day first
3)what do you guys think of possibility storm in a hellcarver pile assuming you didn't doomsday first
ahh right my bad