Most of the groups I have personally interacted with were cool with the Nephilim as commanders, treating them as legendary. Another way is to treat them as if they said "This card can be played as your commander."
What do y'all think about either option for playing with the Nephilim as generals? Should they be allowed at all?
I'm perfectly fine with them. I have an Ink-Treader deck myself, and treat the general as legendary (Since it does involve a fair few copy effects), and I wouldn't protest to anyone else bringing in one of those either.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I'd be fine with it, even though I imagine four-color decks like that mostly lend to goodstuff builds.
Personally, I'm fairly liberal re: generals. I like when people do weird stuff like double-general Bros Yamikazi decks or Genju of the Realms decks. Outside the Nephilim and pre-legendary cards which are obviously intended to represent singular characters (Uncle Istvan, Ali from Cairo, Aladdin, etc.) I do draw the line at "has to be a legendary," though, just so people don't start making decks with Prophet of Kruphix or non-Commander 2014 planeswalkers as general. There is too much combo/abuse potential if you start down that road, in my opinion.
I don't have a problem with it, although nobody in my group has ever expressed any interest in using these. At least a few of them look like strong options, although having any unifying theme in 4 colors sounds tricky.
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No problem at all here. I run a Dune-Brood Nephilim that is very fun and another member in my group runs a sweet janky combo Ink-Treader Nephilim deck. I've honestly never come across a group or players that took issue with it.
Most people seem okay with it as it's the only way to play 4 colors in EDH aside from running a 5 color general and just not using one of the colors. And it is possible to have a unifying theme in 4 colors, depending on which colors and what theme. That being said, they do tend to be a lot of goodstuff.
Im oay with it treating them as legendary. i want to build a simic deck with Master Biomancer at the helm. But since he is not legendary y group is not cool with it.
Still i may convince my friends to allow it. Either that or wizards needs to print legendary copy of Master biomancer, same ability, but legendary.
I have no issues with it, it's well within the spirit of the format. Maelstrom Archangel is another card that I personally feel the same way about.
I'm curious... How is making a non-legendary creature your commander "well within the spirit of the format" when "Players must choose a legendary creature as the "Commander" for their deck?" I never really understand this argument.
I am okay with playing the Nephilim as commanders, but I also don't really see any reason to.
I have no issues with it, it's well within the spirit of the format. Maelstrom Archangel is another card that I personally feel the same way about.
I'm curious... How is making a non-legendary creature your commander "well within the spirit of the format" when "Players must choose a legendary creature as the "Commander" for their deck?" I never really understand this argument.
I am okay with playing the Nephilim as commanders, but I also don't really see any reason to.
It goes hand in hand with the idea of CI in the thread about hybrids. Some cards have a flavor of being one-of-a-kind (although not maelstrom archangel, even though it would be a really fun general), without having the legend type. Sometimes it is mechanical, in the case of the pre-legends creatures, other times it is a technical restriction. Chromanticore had lots of problems with fitting the abilities on the card. "Legendary Enchantment Creature - Manticore" is too big for the type line.
I have no issues with it, it's well within the spirit of the format. Maelstrom Archangel is another card that I personally feel the same way about.
I'm curious... How is making a non-legendary creature your commander "well within the spirit of the format" when "Players must choose a legendary creature as the "Commander" for their deck?" I never really understand this argument.
I am okay with playing the Nephilim as commanders, but I also don't really see any reason to.
Sometimes a card just feels legendary (and this can include mediocre cards like Chromanticore, and downright awful ones like Uncle Istavan). I'm fine with houseruled errata that those cards actually *are* legendary.
If it's a card that is 'cool' (people vary on what this means, but usually it means 'strong appeal to Timmy and/or Johnny, and not oppressive to play against'), and isn't absurdly strong when it is available in the command zone (cough, cough, Yavimaya Elder), then I have no issue with people houseruling that those cards are actually legendary.
I think however the list of "Non-Legendary Cards That Should Be Legendary" is pretty short. You got the Nephilim, cards like Uncle Istvan and Ali from Cairo who existed before the Legend type was available, and there's a case to be made for Cromanticore. Aside from that, however, I don't see any card that should be made a true point for.
Maelstrom Archangel, on the other hand, doesn't quite feel legendary. It's an archangel. From the Maelstrom. Alright, what makes us think it's just a one-of-a-kind? My playgroup would probably not allow her as one.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Nephilims no, tamanoa yes.
Now that I think about it, I might have a tamanoa altered and have soul fire grandmaster's buyback be altered too so that I could play them both and have lightning helix gain me 9 life.
Nephilims no, tamanoa yes.
Now that I think about it, I might have a tamanoa altered and have soul fire grandmaster's buyback be altered too so that I could play them both and have lightning helix gain me 9 life.
Tamanoa... lol i remember a guys 5-color deck that ran that. It is not amazing, until he hit it with a kicked Rite of Replication, Twincasted and Forked.
my entire table was raising a brow at this and then he used a burn spell.
Why? I'd be interested in the reasoning behind this point of view. Were the Nephilim made today, they would likely be legendary.
From Maro's blog: "This was pre-Commander (well, it being a big thing anyway) and we wanted people who built around them to be able to play four copies."
I think however the list of "Non-Legendary Cards That Should Be Legendary" is pretty short. You got the Nephilim, cards like Uncle Istvan and Ali from Cairo who existed before the Legend type was available, and there's a case to be made for Cromanticore. Aside from that, however, I don't see any card that should be made a true point for.
Maelstrom Archangel, on the other hand, doesn't quite feel legendary. It's an archangel. From the Maelstrom. Alright, what makes us think it's just a one-of-a-kind? My playgroup would probably not allow her as one.
Maelstrom Archangel is specifically not one-of-a-kind. The articles referring to the maelstrom mention that it is populated by such angels.
For quite a while I've wanted to build a King Suleiman deck. I'll check with my play group before I do but I doubt anyone would care about a terrible and super narrow 2-drop 1/1.
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For quite a while I've wanted to build a King Suleiman deck. I'll check with my play group before I do but I doubt anyone would care about a terrible and super narrow 2-drop 1/1.
He's another that should be treated as legendary, and no doubt would have been printed that way had they come up with the "legend" idea by that point. I certainly wouldn't object to him as a general, and can't imagine why anyone would. I also can't imagine why anyone would choose to play him as a general, narrow as he is, but whatever.
Ya the Nephilims are awesome for a edh build, I would love if my entire group all built one and we all just battled with the nephilims lol
But no one has expressed even the slightest interest in our group. If they did, we all would probably be down for it no prob.
Our playgroup are sticklers for the rules but this is one we would let pass. EDH is supposed to the be our closest way we can get to casual without actually playing casual lol
For quite a while I've wanted to build a King Suleiman deck. I'll check with my play group before I do but I doubt anyone would care about a terrible and super narrow 2-drop 1/1.
He's another that should be treated as legendary, and no doubt would have been printed that way had they come up with the "legend" idea by that point. I certainly wouldn't object to him as a general, and can't imagine why anyone would. I also can't imagine why anyone would choose to play him as a general, narrow as he is, but whatever.
I dunno, I like the way they flavoured Arabian Nights: Rabiah is a plane made up of 1,001 nearly-identical copies of itself, so characters like Aladdin and Sindbad aren't "unique".
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What do y'all think about either option for playing with the Nephilim as generals? Should they be allowed at all?
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Personally, I'm fairly liberal re: generals. I like when people do weird stuff like double-general Bros Yamikazi decks or Genju of the Realms decks. Outside the Nephilim and pre-legendary cards which are obviously intended to represent singular characters (Uncle Istvan, Ali from Cairo, Aladdin, etc.) I do draw the line at "has to be a legendary," though, just so people don't start making decks with Prophet of Kruphix or non-Commander 2014 planeswalkers as general. There is too much combo/abuse potential if you start down that road, in my opinion.
Current Decks
GTitania midrange
RGThromok tokens/goodstuff | UB Grimgrin zombie tribal
GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
WU Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
RWU Numot, the Devastator
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
WB Athreos, God of Passage
Still i may convince my friends to allow it. Either that or wizards needs to print legendary copy of Master biomancer, same ability, but legendary.
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I am okay with playing the Nephilim as commanders, but I also don't really see any reason to.
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It goes hand in hand with the idea of CI in the thread about hybrids. Some cards have a flavor of being one-of-a-kind (although not maelstrom archangel, even though it would be a really fun general), without having the legend type. Sometimes it is mechanical, in the case of the pre-legends creatures, other times it is a technical restriction. Chromanticore had lots of problems with fitting the abilities on the card. "Legendary Enchantment Creature - Manticore" is too big for the type line.
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Sometimes a card just feels legendary (and this can include mediocre cards like Chromanticore, and downright awful ones like Uncle Istavan). I'm fine with houseruled errata that those cards actually *are* legendary.
If it's a card that is 'cool' (people vary on what this means, but usually it means 'strong appeal to Timmy and/or Johnny, and not oppressive to play against'), and isn't absurdly strong when it is available in the command zone (cough, cough, Yavimaya Elder), then I have no issue with people houseruling that those cards are actually legendary.
Maelstrom Archangel, on the other hand, doesn't quite feel legendary. It's an archangel. From the Maelstrom. Alright, what makes us think it's just a one-of-a-kind? My playgroup would probably not allow her as one.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
I'm not saying there are flocks of them running around, but nothing really strikes me as "one of a kind", honestly.
Now that I think about it, I might have a tamanoa altered and have soul fire grandmaster's buyback be altered too so that I could play them both and have lightning helix gain me 9 life.
Tamanoa... lol i remember a guys 5-color deck that ran that. It is not amazing, until he hit it with a kicked Rite of Replication, Twincasted and Forked.
my entire table was raising a brow at this and then he used a burn spell.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
Why? I'd be interested in the reasoning behind this point of view. Were the Nephilim made today, they would likely be legendary.
From Maro's blog: "This was pre-Commander (well, it being a big thing anyway) and we wanted people who built around them to be able to play four copies."
Maelstrom Archangel is specifically not one-of-a-kind. The articles referring to the maelstrom mention that it is populated by such angels.
For Lists, Click Here
EDH:
GW: Selvala, Let us help YOU.
UB: Mirko Vosk, when outmatched cheat
BW: Vish Kal, The Arbiter of Reanimation
UG: Prime Speaker Zegana, the science of sorcery
RB: Malfegor, Traitor's Haven
UW: Daxos, Control-Fort-Tron
BG: Pharika, Goddess of Stax
RW: Gisela, Boros Control
RG: Ruric Thar, a Primal Surge deck
RU: Niv-Mizzet the Firemind, Spellslinger?!?!
B:(Pauper) Mikaeus the Unhallowed
R: Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient: The Power of Engineering
He's another that should be treated as legendary, and no doubt would have been printed that way had they come up with the "legend" idea by that point. I certainly wouldn't object to him as a general, and can't imagine why anyone would. I also can't imagine why anyone would choose to play him as a general, narrow as he is, but whatever.
But no one has expressed even the slightest interest in our group. If they did, we all would probably be down for it no prob.
Our playgroup are sticklers for the rules but this is one we would let pass. EDH is supposed to the be our closest way we can get to casual without actually playing casual lol
Thanks you very much DarkNightCavalier for the Sig.
I dunno, I like the way they flavoured Arabian Nights: Rabiah is a plane made up of 1,001 nearly-identical copies of itself, so characters like Aladdin and Sindbad aren't "unique".