I'm currently making a similar deck, I'd cut out red, and black. Then go from there.
Well black gives access to Lily, Sorin, nicol bolas, Vraska, and red gives access to Ral zarek, Nicol bolas again, ajani vengeant and Dack fayden.
So do you mean mono red and mono black walkers?
My deck is 5 color.
EDIT: And i was thinking of going bant but realized, i like nicol bolas and vraska a little too much. (not as much as Tamiyo and Jace, buuuut...)
Mine's for Edh, its Bant so no red or black period. Bolas is good, I'm not that much of a fan of Vraska. Teferi, Ajani Steadfast and Mentor of Heroes are great for this. Gideon and Teferi are fantastic together as well. "Everybody attack me" then when attackers are declared use his zero. Liliana, Ral, and Nicol are great so I could see going in to those colors too.
Mine's for Edh, its Bant so no red or black period. Bolas is good, I'm not that much of a fan of Vraska. Teferi, Ajani Steadfast and Mentor of Heroes are great for this. Gideon and Teferi are fantastic together as well. "Everybody attack me" then when attackers are declared use his zero. Liliana, Ral, and Nicol are great so I could see going in to those colors too.
You kind of jsut contradicted yourself. And mine is for EDH as well.
well no, you said that i should cut red and black and then said they are good and can see going into those colors.
I also grabbed a Lili of the dark realms today for more mana ramp in my deck. (But i will probably not keep in there for long. If she does not pull her weight she won't stay, instead i will just keep her around for my Ghave deck when i build that up again. with 1/3 of my lands being swamp, lili will like that.
Nahiri, the Lithomancer:
Tokens are nice but unless you build around her, she will be really underwhelming.
Also you cannot ultimate her even with Doubling Season already on board.
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury:
Again, tokens are nice and the ramp is decent. Also her -2 is nice to have. Then again Aura Shards does the same. Her ultimate is not that impressive
unless you build around it. My own EDH deck has barely any creatures so she felt underwhelming.'
Daretti, Scrap Savant:
I like the looting and his mana cost is good. Requires artifacts to be effective. Same with Tezzeret.
Cards I think you should consider adding:
Karn Liberated:
While a huge threat magnet, the -3 is really nice and removes annoying and dangerous cards from play.
Jace, Architect of Thought:
His +1 is boring but with right cards on play, it is really effective. He also has card draw and his ultimate with Doubling Season can win you the game.
Garruk, Apex Predator:
All of his abilities are amazing and the high cost is not a problem on EDH.
Yeah.. Personally I would still play bant and those to colors, but I could "see" going into those. You could go Bant, Esper, Grixis, Red Green Blue, 5 color, whatever, and every one could be a great deck. Now saying I'm going to build one buy the other options are still good isn't a contradiction.
After grabbing a few cards yesterday i actually became brok so grabbing new PW's is not worth it.
i like the ideas given however as I feel that you are onto something with Garruk Caller of beasts. He is underwheling. I run 21 creatures and only 8 are green.
as for the cuts. deretti, Nahiri and chandra are cut already. I listed all my PW's but not every on i played, every other one is in my deck. (currently, but caller of beasts will be cut)
Under performers in MP: Teferi (unless I can untap a few times) and Liliana Vest (overcosted slow tutor).
Overpowered: LotV, Tezzeret, JTMS, Elspeth, Ashiok (she is a house, removes so many wincons).
Under performers in MP: Teferi (unless I can untap a few times) and Liliana Vest (overcosted slow tutor).
Overpowered: LotV, Tezzeret, JTMS, Elspeth, Ashiok (she is a house, removes so many wincons).
isn't oloro banned in 1v1?
also JTMS being a big gun? he isn;t that good in edh muti. I mean sure he grabs attention, but his best move is brainstorm and normally you are not getting more than one or two brainstorms.
ashiok and architec of thought are on my "to get" list
Under performers in MP: Teferi (unless I can untap a few times) and Liliana Vest (overcosted slow tutor). Overpowered: LotV, Tezzeret, JTMS, Elspeth, Ashiok (she is a house, removes so many wincons).
Not on MTGO because it uses multiplayer rules for 1v1
JTMS - it's about utility: hand sculpting (run fetches), +2 to control a player's draws, and bounce problem creatures to protect.
I would run fetches if i could, i would run the ideal land base if I could (all 10 fetches, all 10 dual,s all 10 shocks and the 7 extra utility lands I run (urborg, Crystal Quarry, Command tower, reliquary tower, High Market, reflecting pool, exotic orchard.)
(Right now I run the shocks, the 7 utility but i also run 10 filters and 10 checks.)
would run fetches if i could, i would run the ideal land base if I could (all 10 fetches, all 10 dual,s all 10 shocks and the 7 extra utility lands I run (urborg, Crystal Quarry, Command tower, reliquary tower, High Market, reflecting pool, exotic orchard.)
(Right now I run the shocks, the 7 utility but i also run 10 filters and 10 checks.)
Not hating on you and not trying to be offensive, but I find it hard to fathom wanting to make a 5c deck without half the appropriate mana base. I have ran many 3c decks and improving the land base has substantially increased the quality, efficiency, and consistency. Without it, one has to cut quality or on theme cards because of the casting costs (go from BBBNecropotence to UUUCryptic Command or even other UUx spells)
well i don't participate in a really heavy spike meta. Most of us are casual and my deck's land base works. Not the best in the world, but it does work. Along woth that LoDR will allow me to fetch at least 4 of my lands. But i will wait until i use her tonoght to see if she was a waste or not.
I also got a few bucks yesterday which i may put towards Jace architect of though or Ashiok (maybe both) One will replace caller of beasts and the other will replace lili if she falls short.
with my 14 sliver (one being manaweft and another being Gemhide, i have my mana fixing, along with Chromatic lantern fixing mana.)
but this thread really has nothing to do with my land base.
Ajani Steadfast doesn't do well on its own. Bad topdeck. Without creatures or protection, you lose a lot of value Chandra Nalaar overcosted removal Garruk, Caller of Beasts only works with a decent amount of creatures. (1) ability lackluster without green fatties which most likely are not going to be in a superfriends deck because those higher CMC spots are for Karn and similiar. Nahiri, the Lithomancer no equipment? Then cut. One 1/1 creature is lackluster. Sorin Markov draws way too much hate. Plus only targets 1 person. After resolving, don't expect to be around much longer. Tezzeret the Seeker overcosted tutor if you don't run value artifacts...which would not really be in the deck (imho) due to board wipes.
Venser, the Sojourner this card is tough. It can potentially allow you to reset your PWs (get 2 activations out of your jaces, remove 2 things with others, etc). However, bad top deck and value is dependent on others.
Ajani Steadfast actually helped me win a game. (Well i had Mentor of heroes out and pull off his ult giving me 100 life. then since that removed all counters, i played Steadfast and with doubling season out, used steadfast's ult. meaning i had to be hit 100+ times to die.
plus even his - is decent as i can pump my other walkers and pump my creatures. So even if i can;t get the emblem (Which i have never failed to get every tim i have played him) his minus is still good.
Caller of beasts is out, Chandra is out, Nahiri is out I might keep markov, and good point on tezz, however coming out at 4, he can tutor for any artifact in my deck aside form gilded lotus. Given that teh only tutor is have are Demonic and diabolic, I feel i would like to keep Tezz for now. (Searching for rings, chromatic lantuern, the chain veil or even sol ring can all help in the long run.)
-Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
-Ajani Steadfast
-Ajani Vengeant
-Chandra Nalaar
-Dack Fayden
-Deretti, Scrap Savant
-Elspeth, Knight-Errant
-Elspeth, Sun's Champion
-Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
-Garruk, Caller of Beasts
-Garruk, Primal Hunter
-Garruk Wildspeaker
-Gideon Jura
-Jace Beleren
-Kiora, the crashing Wave
-Liliana Vess
-Nahiri, the Lithomancer
-Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
-Ral Zarek
-Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
-Sorin Markov
-Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
-Teferi, Temporal Archmage
-Tezzeret the Seeker
-Venser, the Sojourner
-Vraska the Unseen
I am also running Ugin, the Spirit Dragon as a proxy for now (no released yet), but i plan on grabbing a real copy ASAP.
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Well black gives access to Lily, Sorin, nicol bolas, Vraska, and red gives access to Ral zarek, Nicol bolas again, ajani vengeant and Dack fayden.
So do you mean mono red and mono black walkers?
My deck is 5 color.
EDIT: And i was thinking of going bant but realized, i like nicol bolas and vraska a little too much. (not as much as Tamiyo and Jace, buuuut...)
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well no, you said that i should cut red and black and then said they are good and can see going into those colors.
I also grabbed a Lili of the dark realms today for more mana ramp in my deck. (But i will probably not keep in there for long. If she does not pull her weight she won't stay, instead i will just keep her around for my Ghave deck when i build that up again. with 1/3 of my lands being swamp, lili will like that.
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Cards I would reconsider:
Nahiri, the Lithomancer:
Tokens are nice but unless you build around her, she will be really underwhelming.
Also you cannot ultimate her even with Doubling Season already on board.
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury:
Again, tokens are nice and the ramp is decent. Also her -2 is nice to have. Then again Aura Shards does the same. Her ultimate is not that impressive
unless you build around it. My own EDH deck has barely any creatures so she felt underwhelming.'
Daretti, Scrap Savant:
I like the looting and his mana cost is good. Requires artifacts to be effective. Same with Tezzeret.
Cards I think you should consider adding:
Karn Liberated:
While a huge threat magnet, the -3 is really nice and removes annoying and dangerous cards from play.
Jace, Architect of Thought:
His +1 is boring but with right cards on play, it is really effective. He also has card draw and his ultimate with Doubling Season can win you the game.
Garruk, Apex Predator:
All of his abilities are amazing and the high cost is not a problem on EDH.
i like the ideas given however as I feel that you are onto something with Garruk Caller of beasts. He is underwheling. I run 21 creatures and only 8 are green.
as for the cuts. deretti, Nahiri and chandra are cut already. I listed all my PW's but not every on i played, every other one is in my deck. (currently, but caller of beasts will be cut)
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1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Jace Beleren
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Karn Liberated
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana Vess
1 Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
1 Sorin Markov
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Teferi, Temporal Archmage
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Karn Liberated
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
Under performers in MP: Teferi (unless I can untap a few times) and Liliana Vest (overcosted slow tutor).
Overpowered: LotV, Tezzeret, JTMS, Elspeth, Ashiok (she is a house, removes so many wincons).
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
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Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
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Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
isn't oloro banned in 1v1?
also JTMS being a big gun? he isn;t that good in edh muti. I mean sure he grabs attention, but his best move is brainstorm and normally you are not getting more than one or two brainstorms.
ashiok and architec of thought are on my "to get" list
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Not on MTGO because it uses multiplayer rules for 1v1
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
I would run fetches if i could, i would run the ideal land base if I could (all 10 fetches, all 10 dual,s all 10 shocks and the 7 extra utility lands I run (urborg, Crystal Quarry, Command tower, reliquary tower, High Market, reflecting pool, exotic orchard.)
(Right now I run the shocks, the 7 utility but i also run 10 filters and 10 checks.)
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Not hating on you and not trying to be offensive, but I find it hard to fathom wanting to make a 5c deck without half the appropriate mana base. I have ran many 3c decks and improving the land base has substantially increased the quality, efficiency, and consistency. Without it, one has to cut quality or on theme cards because of the casting costs (go from BBB Necropotence to UUU Cryptic Command or even other UUx spells)
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
I also got a few bucks yesterday which i may put towards Jace architect of though or Ashiok (maybe both) One will replace caller of beasts and the other will replace lili if she falls short.
with my 14 sliver (one being manaweft and another being Gemhide, i have my mana fixing, along with Chromatic lantern fixing mana.)
but this thread really has nothing to do with my land base.
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Chandra Nalaar overcosted removal
Garruk, Caller of Beasts only works with a decent amount of creatures. (1) ability lackluster without green fatties which most likely are not going to be in a superfriends deck because those higher CMC spots are for Karn and similiar.
Nahiri, the Lithomancer no equipment? Then cut. One 1/1 creature is lackluster.
Sorin Markov draws way too much hate. Plus only targets 1 person. After resolving, don't expect to be around much longer.
Tezzeret the Seeker overcosted tutor if you don't run value artifacts...which would not really be in the deck (imho) due to board wipes.
Venser, the Sojourner this card is tough. It can potentially allow you to reset your PWs (get 2 activations out of your jaces, remove 2 things with others, etc). However, bad top deck and value is dependent on others.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
plus even his - is decent as i can pump my other walkers and pump my creatures. So even if i can;t get the emblem (Which i have never failed to get every tim i have played him) his minus is still good.
Caller of beasts is out, Chandra is out, Nahiri is out I might keep markov, and good point on tezz, however coming out at 4, he can tutor for any artifact in my deck aside form gilded lotus. Given that teh only tutor is have are Demonic and diabolic, I feel i would like to keep Tezz for now. (Searching for rings, chromatic lantuern, the chain veil or even sol ring can all help in the long run.)
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