So this was originally going to be a jund or naya deck, but I was quite easily persuaded to make the switch to animar by Dire Wombat and World_Peace, and what was going to originally be a hydra tribal has kind of ended up as a theme deck. Beasts vs Machines kind of set up, but with hydras being the main win con and stars of the show, this is the list I have so far, any suggestions or advice is welcome
Mana Confluence became Opal Palace due to being cheaper $ wise and so I don't have to pay life for tapping as well as greatly helping him gain counters
Horned Helm became Soulbright Flamekin due to giving multiple creatres trample, as well as adding mana back to the mana pool
Bramblecrush became Terastadon as it is a creature for animar, and does the same thing but hits multiple targets.
Became Hinder, Spellcrumple, Bane of Progress and Reclamation Sage
Since xenagod only pumps one creature at a time, it's not worth risking him as a bad top deck and ruining him in my head
Meanderer is good at what it does, but there aren't enough x costs to be worth the spot
And 6 mana for 2 artifacts/enchantments or 6 for all and a big fatty as well, hopefully I won't have many of my own on the field when I drop a bane.
The sage replaced scourge due to a more immediate board impact, and scourge possibly not having anything worth sacrificing to it at any given time.
Wouldn't Naya make more sense? Jund is about survival of the fittest. Naya is about huge creatures. All I think about with Hydras are how big they are.
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I'm only on the flavor train as far as creatures go, after that, I'm wanting it to be about supporting the hydras as efficiently as possible. That's where I was wanting the help.
That is probably one of the few exceptions to non hydras I'd make, that is pretty beastly, he'd be great for Green Sun's Zenith as well as Clan Defiance
I'd say just run gruul so you can use Xenagos, God of Revels as your commander. Hydras typically suffer from the absence of haste and trample more so than any other tribe just because you often times spend so much mana into them and then they just die before it loses summoning sickness. With Xenagos, you get haste, trample and double your mana's worth in a general. Seems the best to me.
I'd say just run gruul so you can use Xenagos, God of Revels as your commander. Hydras typically suffer from the absence of haste and trample more so than any other tribe just because you often times spend so much mana into them and then they just die before it loses summoning sickness. With Xenagos, you get haste, trample and double your mana's worth in a general. Seems the best to me.
I was thinking you could just run him in the deck also. Next to good old Fires of Yavimaya. And if you run Naya you could also get Enlightened Tutor and Idyllic Tutor to get them into your hand.
I'd say just run gruul so you can use Xenagos, God of Revels as your commander. Hydras typically suffer from the absence of haste and trample more so than any other tribe just because you often times spend so much mana into them and then they just die before it loses summoning sickness. With Xenagos, you get haste, trample and double your mana's worth in a general. Seems the best to me.
I was thinking of using him as well, but he doesn't give trample. I was thinking of the black or white as shoring up a few weak spots of gruul. Using black for tutoring my non creatures and removal and white for exiling/protection as well as a few tutors
So it's more of a casual group? What I'm looking to build should be fun in a casual setting but won't get wrecked in cut throat
I can't seem to find a commander in und colors that would work for hydras, so i was thinking of using Riku of Two Reflections or Marath, Will of The Wild
Would riku's second ability copy the hydra and it have the counters on it or would it enter as a 0/0?
So it's more of a casual group? What I'm looking to build should be fun in a casual setting but won't get wrecked in cut throat
I can't seem to find a commander in und colors that would work for hydras, so i was thinking of using Riku of Two Reflections or Marath, Will of The Wild
Would riku's second ability copy the hydra and it have the counters on it or would it enter as a 0/0?
It would be a 0/0. Copies only copy the printed stats on a creatue.
Well, thereare spme hydras he can copy that would still be useful, plus the first ability would always come in handy, if not him then maybe Surrak Dragonclaw, he does give trample, which hydras need, and he makes them uncounterable which is a plus
I'd need more ways to put counters on them to make use of his ability, but green is pretty good at that. Arethere more ways in black? Cause as it is, I'm now lening towards temur for Kruphix, God of Horizons and Prophet of Kruphix so I can store mana and cast huge hydras
Well, thereare spme hydras he can copy that would still be useful, plus the first ability would always come in handy, if not him then maybe Surrak Dragonclaw, he does give trample, which hydras need, and he makes them uncounterable which is a plus
I'd rather Surrak in this case. Flash means you can at anytime push through damage with his trample granting and U lets you fix your card drawing, as well as throwing Prophet in to give your hydras pseudo haste. Besides, with hydras being the majority of your creatures you're going to starve Riku of the mana he really needs.
I think I'll make a couple of different lists for a shell to work around for jund, naya and temur, the only real problem is that none of the possible jund commanders works well at all with hydras except Adun Oakenshield, but I don't want to spend 35 bucks on a commander. So I guess that really negates playing jund. So it boils down to temur with surrak and naya with marath
Does Hardened Scales double counters when they enter the battlefield, orbis it for ciunters after they are already on the field?
I think I'll make a couple of different lists for a shell to work around for jund, naya and temur, the only real problem is that none of the possible jund commanders works well at all with hydras except Adun Oakenshield, but I don't want to spend 35 bucks on a commander. So I guess that really negates playing jund. So it boils down to temur with surrak and naya with marath
Does Hardened Scales double counters when they enter the battlefield, orbis it for ciunters after they are already on the field?
First of all, Scales doesn't double counters, only increases the number by one. And no,it won't work for creatures entering the battlefield with counters on them.
I think I'll make a couple of different lists for a shell to work around for jund, naya and temur, the only real problem is that none of the possible jund commanders works well at all with hydras except Adun Oakenshield, but I don't want to spend 35 bucks on a commander. So I guess that really negates playing jund. So it boils down to temur with surrak and naya with marath
Does Hardened Scales double counters when they enter the battlefield, orbis it for ciunters after they are already on the field?
First of all, Scales doesn't double counters, only increases the number by one. And no,it won't work for creatures entering the battlefield with counters on them.
Half right (i.e., about Scales not doubling, but not about whether it works). If a creature is entering the battlefield under your control with some number of +1/+1 counters on it, Hardened Scales will increase the number of counters by one.
First of all, Scales doesn't double counters, only increases the number by one. And no,it won't work for creatures entering the battlefield with counters on them.
Half right (i.e., about Scales not doubling, but not about whether it works). If a creature is entering the battlefield under your control with some number of +1/+1 counters on it, Hardened Scales will increase the number of counters by one.
3 Animar, Soul of Elements
Hydras - 16
3 Genesis Hydra
3 Lifeblood Hydra
2 Vastwood Hydra
2 Apocalypse Hydra
1 Feral Hydra
4 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Savageborn Hydra
1 Protean Hydra
2 Primordial Hydra
5 Kalonian Hydra
6 Hydra Broodmaster
2 Hooded Hydra
5 Heroes' Bane
2 Molten Hydra
6 Hydra Omnivore
1 Mistucutter Hydra
Ramp - 11
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
3 Fertilid
3 Farhaven Elf
2 Coiling Oracle
2 Sylvan Ranger
3 Yavimaya Elder
4 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sol Ring
3 Chromatic Lantern
3 Commander's Sphere
2 Gruul Signet
2 Soulbright Flamekin
3 Reclamation Sage
4 Brawn
4 Nylea, God of The Hunt
3 Omnath, Locus of Mana
3 Trygon Predator
3 Plaxcaster Frogling
5 Surrak Dragonclaw
5 Seedborn Muse
6 Vigor
5 Prophet of Kruphix
5 Kruphix, God of Horizons
3 Vorel of The Hull Clade
6 Consecrated Sphinx
6 Bane of Progress
8 Terastodon
Removal/support - 24
2 Life's Legacy
2 Primal Rage
3 Voidslime
3 Forbid
3 Spell Crumple
3 Hinder
4 Plasm Capture
2 Simic Charm
2 Cyclonic Rift
5 Doubling Season
5 Primal Vigor
5 Asceticism
3 Temur Ascendancy
3 Fires of Yavimaya
5 Urban Evolution
5 Volcanic Offering
9 Blasphemous Act
3 Beast Within
3 Krosan Grip
6 Rain of Thorns
5 Mountain
6 Forest
6 Island
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Opal Palace
1 Frontier Bivouac
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Flooded Grove
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Stomping Ground
1 Breeding Pool
1 Steam Vents
1 Temple of Abandon
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Temple of Epiphany
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Command Tower
1 Spinerock Knoll
1 Mosswort Bridge
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Mana Confluence became Opal Palace due to being cheaper $ wise and so I don't have to pay life for tapping as well as greatly helping him gain counters
Horned Helm became Soulbright Flamekin due to giving multiple creatres trample, as well as adding mana back to the mana pool
Bramblecrush became Terastadon as it is a creature for animar, and does the same thing but hits multiple targets.
Became
Due to being creatures for animar, for better card draw, and as repeated artifact/enchantment destruction
Became Hinder, Spellcrumple, Bane of Progress and Reclamation Sage
Since xenagod only pumps one creature at a time, it's not worth risking him as a bad top deck and ruining him in my head
Meanderer is good at what it does, but there aren't enough x costs to be worth the spot
And 6 mana for 2 artifacts/enchantments or 6 for all and a big fatty as well, hopefully I won't have many of my own on the field when I drop a bane.
The sage replaced scourge due to a more immediate board impact, and scourge possibly not having anything worth sacrificing to it at any given time.
Are now
Because value
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1 Progenitus
Hydras - 18
1 Mistcutter Hydra
1 Savageborn Hydra
1 Primordial Hydra
1 Protean Hydra
1 Molten Hydra
1 Nessian Wilds Ravager
1 Heroes' Bane
1 Spitting Hydra
1 Genesis Hydra
1 Kalonian Hydra
1 Apocalypse Hydra
1 Khalni Hydra
1 Hydra Broodmaster
1 Feral Hydra
1 Hooded Hydra
1 Phytohydra
1 Hydra Omnivore
1 Phyrexian Hydra
Ramp/budget fixing - 13
1 Search for Tomorrow
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Cultivate
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Farseek
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Font of Fertility
1 Coiling Orcale
1 Fertile Ground
1 Khalni Heart Expedition
1 Far Wanderings
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Peregrination
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Avacyn's Pilgrim
1 Wall of Roots
1 Arbor Elf
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Voyaging Satyr
1 Embodiment of Spring
1 Diligent Farmhand
Gas - 12
1 Commune with Nature
1 Commune with the Gods
1 Unexpected Results
1 Signal the Clans
1 Grisly Salvage
1 Tracker's Instincts
1 Lead the Stampede
1 Domri Rade
1 Foster
1 Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
1 Primal Command
1 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Stuff - 12
1 Acidic Slime
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Cruel Ultimatum
1 Titantic Ultimatum
1 Violent Ultimatum
1 Eternal Dominion
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Chord of Calling
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Conflux
1 Opal Palace
1 Rupture Spire
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Command Tower
1 Bant Panorama
1 Naya Panorama
1 Jund Panorama
1 Savage Lands
1 Jungle Shrine
1 Seaside Citadel
1 Frontier Bivouac
1 Opulent Palace
1 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Island
3 Mountain
3 Swamp
3 Plains
12 Forest
How often do you win and how often do you get mana screwed? How many do you usually play with?
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EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
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That way you can run stuff like Privileged Position, Mirari's Wake and Mayael's Aria
Yay alternate win conditions
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I'd never heard of Mayael's Aria before, that would work amazingly well with heroes' bane, kalonian hydra, scourge of skola vale and primordial hydra
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That is probably one of the few exceptions to non hydras I'd make, that is pretty beastly, he'd be great for Green Sun's Zenith as well as Clan Defiance
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I was thinking you could just run him in the deck also. Next to good old Fires of Yavimaya. And if you run Naya you could also get Enlightened Tutor and Idyllic Tutor to get them into your hand.
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I was thinking of using him as well, but he doesn't give trample. I was thinking of the black or white as shoring up a few weak spots of gruul. Using black for tutoring my non creatures and removal and white for exiling/protection as well as a few tutors
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I don't really get mana screwed, so much of the deck is mana fixing. I win a fair amount but we aren't trying that hard.
I can't seem to find a commander in und colors that would work for hydras, so i was thinking of using Riku of Two Reflections or Marath, Will of The Wild
Would riku's second ability copy the hydra and it have the counters on it or would it enter as a 0/0?
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It would be a 0/0. Copies only copy the printed stats on a creatue.
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I'd rather Surrak in this case. Flash means you can at anytime push through damage with his trample granting and U lets you fix your card drawing, as well as throwing Prophet in to give your hydras pseudo haste. Besides, with hydras being the majority of your creatures you're going to starve Riku of the mana he really needs.
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Does Hardened Scales double counters when they enter the battlefield, orbis it for ciunters after they are already on the field?
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First of all, Scales doesn't double counters, only increases the number by one. And no,it won't work for creatures entering the battlefield with counters on them.
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Ah, my mistake, you're totally right.
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And I've put together of the g/r core of the deck so I have something to work with
3 Lifeblood Hydra
3 Scourge of Skola Vale
2 Vastwood Hydra
2 Apocalypse Hydra
1 Feral Hydra
4 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Savageborn Hydra
1 Protean Hydra
2 Primordial Hydra
5 Kalonian Hydra
6 Hydra Broodmaster
2 Hooded Hydra
5 Heroes' Bane
2 Molten Hydra
6 Hydra Omnivore
1 Mistucutter Hydra
3 Cultivate
3 Deep Reconnaissance
3 Far Wanderings
2 Far Seek
3 Journey of Discovery
2 Rampant Growth
1 Sol Ring
3 Chromatic Lantern
3 Commander's Sphere
2 Gruul Signet
Support Creatures 4
5 Xenagos, God of Revels
4 Rosheen Meanderer
5 Seedborn Muse
6 Vigor
Removal/support 8
2 Clan Defiance
5 Volcanic Offering
9 Blasphemous Act
3 Beast Within
4 Bramblecrush
3 Krosan Grip
3 Consign to Dust
6 Rain of Thorns
5 Mountain
5 Forest
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Stomping Ground
1 Mana Confluence
1 Temple of Abandon
1 Transguild Promenade
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Command Tower
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Spinerock Knoll
1 Mosswort Bridge
Total = 58
What do y'all think of this as the core of the deck? What should I add/sintract from this?
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