MTG Salvation

I need non activated artifact or grave based win cons for UW durdle control. I can't seem to close games attacking with a 2/4 brago, king eternal it takes too long and the table realises I am up on resources and doing annoying things with blinks gangs up and kills me.

Actually my deck is so annoying I just get targeted a lot for being annoying but its not really going hard enough to actually win, I switched to Brago from isperia, supreme judge (where being annoying was almost an advantage) whoes power came in handy whe it was time to win.

I also used to have DEN + draining whelk + rule of law semi lock going on but I took out the Rule of law because it was preventing me emptying my hand (which is easy to fill) and engaging in counter wars.

Eternal Dragon has the benefit of being a usable card in the early game and a recurring closer in a slow, locked-out late game. Celestial Colonnade is similar in that it replaces another land in your deck but becomes a real threat in the late game.

There's also good old Drogskol Reaver.

True Conviction doesn't see enough play, the card is really good in control decks as it helps you: kill your opponents faster, stay alive longer, and makes your dudes trade more favorably. Otherwise, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is always good, DEN + Palinchron gives you infinite mana, Psychosis Crawler can put in a lot of work, and Medomai the Ageless gives you an opportunity to tap out then take an extra turn and leave your stuff up for control. Also I'm biased on this but going Esper gives you a lot of power for a control strategy, and Dromar, the Banisher can wreck people.

Palinchron + Phantasmal Image/DEN
Rest in Peace + Helm of Obedience
Enchanted Evening + Aura Thief/Cleansing Meditation (w/threshold)
Time Warp (or variant) + Archeomancer/Mnemonic Wall + Crystal Shard, DEN, Vedalken Mastermind/Venser, the Soujourner/etc.
Enter the Infinite + Laboratory Manic (I frequently see this following omniscience)
Living Plane + Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Dance of the Many + Sun Titan + Free Sac Outlet (Infinite sun titan tokens. If the sac outlet it altar of dementia everyone else loses.

Plenty of great suggestions so far. I'll throw out that you could also consider cards like Captain of the Watch and Master of the Waves. Combined with something like True Conviction to close out a game.

Stroke of Genius and the like as a faux-fireball with infinite or near-infinite mana.

Ok... nice suggestions... a few problems though.. is that my deck turns off all those win cons.
It has stony silence and rest in peace the kind of damage they do to other peoples decks and part of what makes me a huge target, along with tucking everyones generals.

I have a bunch of ETB angels, titans and a sphact or sphiction so I have some larger creatures but they are easy enough to kill when its clear I am ahead.

I hate omniscience and enter the infinte I wish they were never printed such no thought win cons. I have grown to hate Palincron as well.. but I don't actually have anything to do with infinite mana anyway, oh wait I can capsize my opponents with infinite mana maybe I'll see if I can find one up for trade.

I have Rite of replication, a couple of clones and control magic... perhaps I should get a bribery or something and win with other peoples decks. I have reins of power in my rare folder I could try is volition reins worth it?

I own master of waves but don't have a way to keep the tokens alive but apperently they live through brago blinking master?? and Medomai but It never seemed a big enough effect but with true conviction hmm.

edit: Well I noticed I had a spare wingmate roc as well as myr battlesphere and master of waves armies in cans lets give this a go.

Surprised no one mentioned Aetherling.

I feel like, in Brago at least, Stony Silence hurts you more than your opponents. The ability to bounce your own mana rocks with Brago, using them in both main phases allows you to benefit more than your opponents do. I like Brago with too much GY recursion to run Rest in Peace, but I can certainly see Brago being built just fine without.

Reason #1 I only have so many mana rocks and I have a bunch of decks so I can't put them in every deck so I built a deck to not use any.

It was an Isperia, supreme judge deck, that I build as my second EDH deck with a bunch of random rares from my folder stony silence was one of them. All my mana rocks were in my glissa deck I had none to add. I played my first game with the deck I was way out of my league and I almost won (Died to crucible or worlds + strip mine) because I locked out all the high powered decks with the stony silence now its my first tutor target eveytime.
So reason #2 I <3 stony silence

Reason #3 is that its an isperia deck not a brago one... its just that Brago is still better than the vanilla isperia.

Reason #4 It is that I want my decks to be different from each other so I am just not playing the same deck with different generals. I have a grave recursion artifact based deck, Glissa. Even My reviellark and karmic guide combo is in a different deck. Also great to austere command and miss most of my stuff.

Rest in peace hoses half my meta also I have had games where everyone else was a grave deck.

Hey, I can definitely understand the meta call...those cards are both wonderful hosers in any deck.

There's always Dovescape + Guile combo which doesn't rely on the graveyard. It's mana intensive though (6 + 6 + at least 1 to trigger the loop).

Interested in how you like Myr Battlesphere. If you get a chance to use it, report back! I'm testing Precursor Golem at the moment...needs more playtesting though.

My deck is using token beat down to win. Master of Wave is incredibly powerful in my deck and win me at least three games so far. Time magic is also incredibly powerful. You don't have to go infinite. In actuality, I didn't go infinite in my last five games yet I won two of them. Gaining an extra turn in Brago can be most brutal.

Forgot Mirrorweave that card is awesome.

Hmmm It still doesn't appear to be working very well I think I might have to go back to the drawing board with the whole deck.

Its half control half blink and that is really not gelling very well. I over fill my hand with goodies when the game is going well for me and I forced into top deck 1 threat at a time when brago gets killed too many times or I can't get him through or my blink targets get answered before I turn on the blink engine.

So.... am I a blink deck or am I UW control deck (probably switch back to Isperia)? With the exception of the format staples and lands (I have actually run out of basic islands Ihave too many blue decks in multiple formats) I pretty much have enough for two decks. and I have an other UWx deck.

Ætherling is somewhat boring, but a solid wincon. In straight U/W I also really like Entreat the Angels and White Sun's Zenith. Of course there are also the Elzrazi Titans... Speaking of Titans, Frost Titan might not seem very good at first glance, but he really is quite good.

Clearly the best wincon for a UW control deck is to have Hunding Gjornersen as your general. Rampage for the win! Planeswalkers aren't bad, either:

• Jace, the Mind Sculptor
  
• Elspeth, Sun's Champion
  
• Gideon Jura
  
• Jace, Architect of Thought
  
• Elspeth, Knight-Errant
  

If you are running Rule of Law anyways, you can throw in Knowledge Pool for the hard lock.

Having the list should help here you go

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/579469-uw-flicker-control

probably best to make suggestions there.

It sounds like your deck is confused about what it wants to do. As you mentioned a few posts above, is it a control deck or is it a Blink deck, which is more about tempo/aggro.

You've mentioned a ton fo good win conditions that are already in the deck. It sounds like you're having trouble protecting them, and that is likely because of one or more of the following:

- the deck plays poorly from a political standpoint and cannot overcome the hate

- the deck has too MANY win conditions and therefore the control elements are too dilluted to establish firm abnout control over the game

It seems to me that what you really need to do is focus on the Durldle aspect of the deck - 10-15 ways to draw cards, 15-20 counterspells, a number of Wrath effects, plus your powerful lock pieces like Rest in Piece and Strong silence, maybe adding in a Cursed Totem or the like.

Personally, I like wrath effects like Aetherspouts and Angel of the Dire Hour as they are more political - they clean up dudes who are attacking instead of everyone's everything which allows oyu to make friends and also tell people to back up off you. Obviously you need a few things to clean up the whole board, but keep alot of these things around.

With this kind of deck, you have to avoid Haymakers until you are ready to kill the Entire table. It might be a playstyle issue as well. Just keep in mind you should have MAYBE 3 dedicated win conditions in a control deck- the rest of the deck should be about drawing cards, killing opposing permanents, keeping people the heck away from attacking YOU.