Perhaps mono-G, using either Kamahl or the troll? You'll have several ways to ensure they can't respond to your spells, access to Asceticism, and the ability to one-shot them (and the rest of the table, simultaneously) with infect. Check out the Kamahl list in my signature.
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The troll does seem like a strong choice vs UB. You might also consider some hand hate tactics and just target him. In my experience though it can be difficult for UB permission decks if they are just getting targeted by a few people at the same time. Are you playing 1v1 or multiplayer? You might just try some political tactics to talk more people into attacking them and put more pressure on their tools. You could also try a strong synergy style of deck I suppose. I have some luck with my Jenara deck in part because it does a lot of things that just sort of snowball together when they all happen but I dont do much for haymakers that on their own are noticeably splashy.
TLDR: sorry that got sort of haphazard. You might try some political tactics potentially if playing multiplayer.
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Your Derevi list doesn't look too bad it grades out as a 6 or so in my book. Maybe if you post what specifically you are having problems with the community can help. I assume repeated wipes backed by heavy permission and lots of draw/filtering/tutoring is not giving you any breathing room to establish a board. In this scenario I'd want to cripple and tax the blue black player's resources to make it difficult for him to interfere with your game plan. Derevi is an excellent accelerator so make full use of a fast start to leverage it into an insurmountable advantage.
Typically I get locked out, either by Roon/Prophet, or just trampled to death by fatties.
Last week I lost a game to Obliterate, the guy casted it and then scooped just to be an ass. I could not recover as fast as the Roon guy, he casted Ghostway in response and had land fetch elves back in play to get new land.
The two decks that kill me every time are the Roon list pretty much if he resolves Prophet its all over, and the other one is (don't laugh) a pauper deck. List for the pauper deck is here: Yes I know its pauper, but he beats me every time.
I have probably 95% of the cards in your deck(not in my list, but i own them), but just not the fetches. I am just not sure how you play that thing. In my meta if I stick a Deadeye on the table its going to be [insert black removal here] or [insert counter spell here] the second it hits the table.
Typically I get locked out, either by Roon/Prophet, or just trampled to death by fatties.
Last week I lost a game to Obliterate, the guy casted it and then scooped just to be an ass. I could not recover as fast as the Roon guy, he casted Ghostway in response and had land fetch elves back in play to get new land.
The two decks that kill me every time are the Roon list pretty much if he resolves Prophet its all over, and the other one is (don't laugh) a pauper deck. List for the pauper deck is here: Yes I know its pauper, but he beats me every time.
I have probably 95% of the cards in your deck(not in my list, but i own them), but just not the fetches. I am just not sure how you play that thing. In my meta if I stick a Deadeye on the table its going to be [insert black removal here] or [insert counter spell here] the second it hits the table...
I beat Roon by playing stax. I deal with Obliterate by bouncing it with Venser. And I only cast DEN when I can protect it, either by being able to counter or flicker at least twice. I defeat Derevi through card advantage and mass bounce. EDIT: As for the trampling fatties, there's always Glacial Chasm + Crucible of Worlds + Buried Ruin.
Perhaps you should stick with Derevi and either add more stax elements to your deck or try different ways of piloting the same list. If you have the opportunity, consider watching how other Derevi players use their decks to win the game.
Perhaps you should stick with Derevi and either add more stax elements to your deck or try different ways of piloting the same list. If you have the opportunity, consider watching how other Derevi players use their decks to win the game.
I have actually tried to youtube some games with Derevi, but they are usually lists that are very different from mine and usually good stuff. If any of you know some good match footage with Derevi please let me know.
That's a pretty solid pauper deck and it is better consctucted than your Derevi. About a quarter of that list is devoted to removal/bounce/counters. However it does have its shortcomings. It's more suited to play against 1 or 2 opponents. At a table of 3 or more competitive level decks it's not going to be able to stop all the bad things from happening. The graveyard recursion is powerful but takes too long to get going. Removal is a lot less prevalent in my meta because we're all engaged in a race towards win conditions. By playing a load of removal too much speed is sacrificed so most of us just run 6-10 pieces to stop the things which must be stopped. That list also doesn't have much of a board presence so pressure could work against it.
I would suggest you go to deckstats and play out the first 4 turns on my list like real games so you can figure out how acceleration works in Derevi because its the most powerful tool Derevi has access to. The way to win with Derevi is get the fastest start 9/10 games. You should be able to win a good portion of those by converting your resource advantage into a crippling disadvantage for opponents. If you can't then something is wrong with your list. As for specific plays, lately I've tried adding turn by turn descriptions in my game summaries. Most of my wins are concessions from Deadeye combo.
Hmm it's pauper U/B with nearly no artificer mana most of it's engines are costly you can throw in some Armageddon and more counters bring your curve down play if more like a 1v1 curve. Maybe less high cmc value dudes in favor of some more counter magic and ways to get out winter orb ASAP.
Derevi is easily one of the best generals in the entire format, and he should do quite well against removal and wrath. Derevi's "flash in" ability keeps him always either on the board or relevant as a way to slow down your opponents and not die to large beaters. The color combination itself is one of the best too.
Good news is: if they're diluting their decks with too much removal, your sufficient threats will run them dry. Wait till they tap out or run out of cards, and go for the kill. Keep a low curve. I will be responding to your Derevi list directly in an hour or so with my comments and suggestions. Please also feel free to check out mine or Swift's Derevi list for some solid examples.
Edit: Looks like you've already done your research on some lists, Swift's as well, but I still think you should give mine a look. Can never be too knowledgeable!
Edit: I posted a very lengthy analysis of your entire list on your deck thread, be sure to check it out!
I personally think you could get there with Derevi, just running a more optimal and maybe less fair. There's a reason Derevi was banned in French. I'm not saying that I know the perfect way to build it, but I honestly think if you lowered your curve and added Static Orb, Thalia, Gaddock Teeg, Rising Waters, and Brimaz it could be more optimal. Maybe throw in cards like Swan Song, Dispel, FlusterstormAutumn's Veil, Rebuff the Wicked, etc. that counter counters and removal. I just don't think you have to take apart the whole deck.
Edit: Oh, and Force of Will, if you're willing to shed out the cash.
I feel like just going faster/meaner with Derevi should work well. Cut as much as you can that costs 4+ CMC, and replace it with cheap creatures, cheap counters, and some stax elements. Thanks to Derevi you should be able to build a strong board position while also having counter mana up for any true threats on the other side of the table.
You could try Edric. You're faster than they are, your "threats" are far too terrible to waste removal on and you probably run more counters and your counters are cheaper. And you can laugh at them when you're beating them to death with Scryb Sprites.
You could try Edric. You're faster than they are, your "threats" are far too terrible to waste removal on and you probably run more counters and your counters are cheaper. And you can laugh at them when you're beating them to death with Scryb Sprites.
I cant afford the $100 time walks in Edric. Temporal something and Capture the whatsamacallit...
You could try Edric. You're faster than they are, your "threats" are far too terrible to waste removal on and you probably run more counters and your counters are cheaper. And you can laugh at them when you're beating them to death with Scryb Sprites.
I cant afford the $100 time walks in Edric. Temporal something and Capture the whatsamacallit...
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Capture runs $200+
but, thats mostly outside of the point. You can get by with cheaper options but if you want it geared to the teeth then yea its a little more expensive to do it. You can build a very frightening Edric for probably $200 or so since their creatures are so cheap.
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Donald, would you say Edric is the most powerful deck you run? or just something you have been playing recently in 2HG with Mox? Seems like 2 people running any Simic in 2HG would be nasty.
Donald, would you say Edric is the most powerful deck you run? or just something you have been playing recently in 2HG with Mox? Seems like 2 people running any Simic in 2HG would be nasty.
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It's a glass cannon but yes it's the strongest I've played. Just happens to be silly broken with 2 people running it in 2HG (we can flip each others Erayos for example). Triumph of the Hordes can fill in for a Time Warp but Force of Will and Gaea's Cradle are pretty expensive and have no replacements. You don't actually need them but they do make a difference.
It sounds like you are playing vs control and aggro and you are playing into the control players hand. They have a lot of cheap spot removal. The best idea would be to blank your opponent on their removal spells(i.e. play control). If your opponent has a ton of removal in their hand they will not point it at your tiny 1/1 or 2/2 but at an opponents Roon. The way to beat control is with better control. I prefer my Child of Alara deck it can handle anything. It is particularly weak to weenie swarm such as edric but handles most other decks with ease. As for the Obliterate play a simple Time stop prevents the card from seeing play.
If playing a control deck is not your cup of tea. I would say play a voltron Thrun the last troll deck.
Ideas?
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TLDR: sorry that got sort of haphazard. You might try some political tactics potentially if playing multiplayer.
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GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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Last week I lost a game to Obliterate, the guy casted it and then scooped just to be an ass. I could not recover as fast as the Roon guy, he casted Ghostway in response and had land fetch elves back in play to get new land.
The two decks that kill me every time are the Roon list pretty much if he resolves Prophet its all over, and the other one is (don't laugh) a pauper deck. List for the pauper deck is here: Yes I know its pauper, but he beats me every time.
I have probably 95% of the cards in your deck(not in my list, but i own them), but just not the fetches. I am just not sure how you play that thing. In my meta if I stick a Deadeye on the table its going to be [insert black removal here] or [insert counter spell here] the second it hits the table.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Perhaps you should stick with Derevi and either add more stax elements to your deck or try different ways of piloting the same list. If you have the opportunity, consider watching how other Derevi players use their decks to win the game.
I have actually tried to youtube some games with Derevi, but they are usually lists that are very different from mine and usually good stuff. If any of you know some good match footage with Derevi please let me know.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
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I would suggest you go to deckstats and play out the first 4 turns on my list like real games so you can figure out how acceleration works in Derevi because its the most powerful tool Derevi has access to. The way to win with Derevi is get the fastest start 9/10 games. You should be able to win a good portion of those by converting your resource advantage into a crippling disadvantage for opponents. If you can't then something is wrong with your list. As for specific plays, lately I've tried adding turn by turn descriptions in my game summaries. Most of my wins are concessions from Deadeye combo.
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
Trade thread on MOTL
Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
Good news is: if they're diluting their decks with too much removal, your sufficient threats will run them dry. Wait till they tap out or run out of cards, and go for the kill. Keep a low curve. I will be responding to your Derevi list directly in an hour or so with my comments and suggestions. Please also feel free to check out mine or Swift's Derevi list for some solid examples.
Edit: Looks like you've already done your research on some lists, Swift's as well, but I still think you should give mine a look. Can never be too knowledgeable!
Edit: I posted a very lengthy analysis of your entire list on your deck thread, be sure to check it out!
cEDH: [G(U/R) Animar] - [(U/B)(G/W) Redless Wheels] - [(G/U)(W/B) Redless Pod] - [(B/G)W Ghave Metapod]
Edit: Oh, and Force of Will, if you're willing to shed out the cash.
GUGEdric, Spymaster of Trest - Elfball
WUBOloro, Ageless Ascetic- Doomsday!
RWUEphara, God of the Polis - Blink + Control
GBGGlissa, the Traitor - Stax & Lands
URGMaelstrom Wanderer - Goodstuff RUG
RGWMayael the Anima - Timmy
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher - The One Hit Wonder
RGWMarath, Will of the Wild - Old-school Enchantress Hate
RWRAurelia, the Warleader - Equipment Aggro
GGGReki, the History of Kamigawa - Legends + Banding
UBRSedris, the Traitor King - Creatures with : Ability
BUBPhenax, God of Deception - Mill
*Sidenote, I specifically excluded infinite combos from all these decks with the exception of Marath and the squirrel nest + Earthcraft combo.
Looking for something Aggressive in modern? Try - BR Aggro
I cant afford the $100 time walks in Edric. Temporal something and Capture the whatsamacallit...
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Capture runs $200+
but, thats mostly outside of the point. You can get by with cheaper options but if you want it geared to the teeth then yea its a little more expensive to do it. You can build a very frightening Edric for probably $200 or so since their creatures are so cheap.
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It's a glass cannon but yes it's the strongest I've played. Just happens to be silly broken with 2 people running it in 2HG (we can flip each others Erayos for example). Triumph of the Hordes can fill in for a Time Warp but Force of Will and Gaea's Cradle are pretty expensive and have no replacements. You don't actually need them but they do make a difference.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
If playing a control deck is not your cup of tea. I would say play a voltron Thrun the last troll deck.
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