My buddy has challenged me with a task. Make a Wall/Defender tribal-Mill EDH deck with the new U/B God: Phenax, God of Decpetion I currently run a Lazav, Dimir Master Mind-Mill deck that I am partial to. But I am willing to break it up and try this challege. I think it will be fun.
His stipulations we to have a mostly wall tribal deck. A few non-defender cards can be played.
Originally posted by Rywads Having a foiled set of avacyn's pilgrims must be on the same level as a dude who puts expensive spinner hubcaps on an old Honda Civic.
My buddy has challenged me with a task. Make a Wall/Defender tribal-Mill EDH deck with the new U/B God: Phenax, God of Decpetion I currently run a Lazav, Dimir Master Mind-Mill deck that I am partial to. But I am willing to break it up and try this challege. I think it will be fun.
His stipulations we to have a mostly wall tribal deck. A few non-defender cards can be played.
I would like any help. I am currently looking for permanents that help pump my toughness (preferably only my toughness-to stay on flavor)
Favorable sorcery cards would be welcomed as well. Thank you
Run both Hinder and Spell Crumple+ Tunnel Vision. I played a 4 man table with a Phenax proxy and was able to Hinder/Tunnel Vision 86 cards into an opponents graveyard and mill out another with my then 122/122 Consuming Aberration with the tap ability. Also, he's not a Wall/Defender, but Sewer Nemesis should get a look, especially in a 1v1 deck.
You definitely want to run Jester's Cap, Praetor's Grasp and Sadistic Sacrament IMO. That strategy will get totally hosed when you mill someone's Eldrazi so the best thing will be to nail them before the mill engine really gets going.
EDIT2: Oona, Queen of the Fae should also be a definite include. She exile mills as a mana sink, creates flying blockers (and more mill at EOT) along with more devotion to Phenax.
Run both Hinder and Spell Crumple+ Tunnel Vision. I played a 4 man table with a Phenax proxy and was able to Hinder/Tunnel Vision 86 cards into an opponents graveyard and mill out another with my then 122/122 Consuming Aberration with the tap ability. Also, he's not a Wall/Defender, but Sewer Nemesis should get a look, especially in a 1v1 deck.
I play the Tunnel Vision combo in Lazav. I do plan on keeping it. Even though it makes me feel dirty afterwards.
I like Sewer Nemesis even if its not 1v1. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Rywads Having a foiled set of avacyn's pilgrims must be on the same level as a dude who puts expensive spinner hubcaps on an old Honda Civic.
Interesting idea. Pontiff of Blight will let you live longer, Hythonia the Cruel will destroy opposition and Nightveil Specter can be used as devotion enabler if needed. I would steer away from generic creatures with high toughness though, as if they die they don't bring any value to cover the loss.
I find rise to be far to hard to fit into most curves, so unless your playing jank and don't care about the quality of your deck, it's hard to fit in really.
after phenax's spoiler, someone pointed out an almost-combo with eater of the dead. also i think that body double could work nicely in a deck like that
If you play enough creatures, you can kill your entire deck with some degree of certainty. I am sure you can figure you something from there.
Eater of the Dead is epic. Against any deck with 25+ creatures, it could be an instant win! (less creatures required if you have any in your GY or they have less then 100 cards in their library)
You need to have some way to exile cards from your opponents graveyard in case you hit an Eldrazi, I would recommend Withered Wretch and/or Leyline of the Void in addition to Eater of the dead. If you want to instantly win via mill you could also run Necrotic Ooze and Phyrexian Devourer for the huge Necrotic Ooze.
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Undead Alchemist is definitely a useful inclusion against reanimator decks because they lose value on their mills. Also, I believe Withered Wretch can help remove Eldrazi that hit the graveyard from the game. They still get the shuffle though.
Tombstone Stairwell is a card I'd like to see in this deck. Even with a modest number of creatures in the graveyard it will mill for quite a bit. Don't let the upkeep cost scare you off, if it isn't dealt with quickly it will close out the game.
Altar of Dementia is great for doubling the amount of mill you'll get out of your zombie tokens. It is a good mill card on its own, and having a repeatable sac engine can be useful.
Undead Alchemist has some nice interactions with the stairwell, as well as the milling strategy in general. It is actually fairly good graveyard hate as well.
I was considering a zombie tribal theme and including cards like Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Gravecrawler. Grimgrin is another way to double dip with your Tombstone Stairwell tokens. You'll be able to tap the tokens and mill for 2, then sac them to Grimgrin to allow you to mill for ever increasing amounts.
I'm currently running a Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge symmetrical mill deck and the card that consistently mills for the most is Mesmeric Orb. I would suggest including it even if you don't plan on supporting it with artifact copy effects. It is hilarious with prototype portal.
You also might want to stall the board without wrathing so that you can keep your walls and zombies alive longer. It can be helpful to run defense cards like Ensnaring Bridge, Crawl Space, No Mercy, and Dread.
This is not just because of Eldrazi (though ideally, if you mill one out, you will want to exile the entire graveyard in response to the shuffle), but other cards that might be equally annoying such as elixir of immortality and time spiral.
As soon as the spoiler came out and I read this card its screamed at me to make a mill EDH deck. I have always been a fan of mill but never really found a general worth building around until Phenax. I really had no idea where to start with this deck so I decied to look on gatherer for fatties and decieded to go with a Defender/ wall for low cost high toughness creatures and Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus, or Serpent/ Quest for Ula's Temple for late game fatties. I have got a ton of great ideas from this post and some from others. A few cards I found that have gone unmentioned here are: Fendeep Summoner, Guiltfeeder, Knacksaw Clique, This card is NUTS!! Bitter Ordeal, Extract.
If an effect like that of Leyline of the Void prevents cards from being put into your opponent's graveyard, the process described in the first sentence of Helm of Obedience's effect will never stop. Your opponent's entire library will be exiled, even if X is 1.
His stipulations we to have a mostly wall tribal deck. A few non-defender cards can be played.
Current Wall/Defenders
Colossus of Akros
Crenellated Wall
Doorkeeper
Fog Bank
Guard of Gomazoa
Ludevic's Test Subject
Minamo Scrollkeeper
Mnemonic Wall
Necropolis
Shield Sphere
Shifting Wall
Snow Fortress
Steel Wall
Thunder Wall
Wall of Blood
Wall of Deceit
Wall of Frost
Wall of Junk
Wall of Kelp
Wall of Shadows
Wall of Tombstones
Right now I have a few non-defender creatures
Consuming Aberration
Eater of the Dead
Morphling
I would like any help. I am currently looking for permanents that help pump my toughness (preferably only my toughness-to stay on flavor)
Favorable sorcery cards would be welcomed as well. Thank you
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Run both Hinder and Spell Crumple+ Tunnel Vision. I played a 4 man table with a Phenax proxy and was able to Hinder/Tunnel Vision 86 cards into an opponents graveyard and mill out another with my then 122/122 Consuming Aberration with the tap ability. Also, he's not a Wall/Defender, but Sewer Nemesis should get a look, especially in a 1v1 deck.
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EDIT: as for walls, Hover Barrier and Living Wall seem pretty solid.
EDIT2: Oona, Queen of the Fae should also be a definite include. She exile mills as a mana sink, creates flying blockers (and more mill at EOT) along with more devotion to Phenax.
Never gave clone effects a thought. I might throw in Clone himself. But I dont want to get to far off flavor.
I play the Tunnel Vision combo in Lazav. I do plan on keeping it. Even though it makes me feel dirty afterwards.
I like Sewer Nemesis even if its not 1v1. Thank you.
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These (barring sentinel) are mostly on theme too.
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I find rise to be far to hard to fit into most curves, so unless your playing jank and don't care about the quality of your deck, it's hard to fit in really.
Just another batch of tech for him.
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If you play enough creatures, you can kill your entire deck with some degree of certainty. I am sure you can figure you something from there.
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include untap creature effects. or untap equips
Its a cute idea. ill probably want to build it
But blue and black kinda annoy me, give us a 5 color or 4 color wall/defender
i guess that's as close as it gets, phenax, decepting walls since 2014.
checking my defender deck
Shield Sphere Bubble Matrix Colfenor's Urn the rest are out of colors :X
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Why not try Keening Stone too?
Undead Alchemist and Thousand-Year Elixir can potentially win you the game too.
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Cards like Triton Tactics, umbral mantle, or turnabout with wall of frost or something.
Also, horseshoe crab lets you leave countermagic open, then mill someone for a bunch before your turn starts.
Altar of Dementia is great for doubling the amount of mill you'll get out of your zombie tokens. It is a good mill card on its own, and having a repeatable sac engine can be useful.
Undead Alchemist has some nice interactions with the stairwell, as well as the milling strategy in general. It is actually fairly good graveyard hate as well.
I was considering a zombie tribal theme and including cards like Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Gravecrawler. Grimgrin is another way to double dip with your Tombstone Stairwell tokens. You'll be able to tap the tokens and mill for 2, then sac them to Grimgrin to allow you to mill for ever increasing amounts.
I'm currently running a Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge symmetrical mill deck and the card that consistently mills for the most is Mesmeric Orb. I would suggest including it even if you don't plan on supporting it with artifact copy effects. It is hilarious with prototype portal.
You also might want to stall the board without wrathing so that you can keep your walls and zombies alive longer. It can be helpful to run defense cards like Ensnaring Bridge, Crawl Space, No Mercy, and Dread.
There are some great ideas in this thread!
Ensnaring Bridge gets cute with Bottled Cloister in play as well.
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This is not just because of Eldrazi (though ideally, if you mill one out, you will want to exile the entire graveyard in response to the shuffle), but other cards that might be equally annoying such as elixir of immortality and time spiral.
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