Ok obviously this is the spirit of a hairy land shrimp that lost half its body in combat.
Right off the bat I like that it's a one drop 1/1. That's good because in Commander there are so many different ways to abuse those stats. But look at the actual ability. +1/+1 to another creature until end of turn? Eh, no thanks. Give me Spore Frog any day of the week over this.
I would most likely think about playing it in my tribal slug deck, although it does have competition. I would probably also draft it not quite last in a bad rare draft format. It's a pretty good card, so in either scenario I would have to debate between this or a basic land.
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I'm a big fan of Anson Maddocks' art, but not at all of this card. It sucks that two of my favorite old-school MtG artists - Maddocks and Quinton Hoover - so frequently got assigned crappy cards.
As to the card itself... being a 2/4 for 3 makes it draftable, as the first strike elements won't make a difference either way in most match-ups, but in EDH it's just terrible. Compare it at other choices at the same CMC... is anyone going to run this over Eternal Witness? Wood Elves? Or even Carven Caryatid?
The 3 CMC spot is usually very contested. You don't want too many spells there, and this being green, it competes with a plethora of very good spells at this CMC : courser of kruphix, kodama's reach, cultivate, azusa lost but seeking, recross the path, coalition relic (some green decks probably run this), bow of nylea among others. And this is just counting the green cards, when you play multicolor, it's even more competitive. Can't see myself playing this in any deck (except slug aggro).
Besides being the punchline of an MTG-themed juvenile joke, the card is rubbish in EDH. It was very playable in Time Spiral limited as a way for green decks to battle Keldon Halberdier (there was a severe lack of First Strike in the set) and the 4-toughness meant it survived Rift Bolt.
having drafted this in cube (it was a weird cube) it's actually not bad - it functions like a 2/4 fs for 3 most of the time. Basically - if they try to stack with 2/2s, you give it fs. If they don't, you don't need to bother. And since they know you can pay, they usually don't bother. The ability looks like a downside but really it's an upside except it really unusual circumstances - like if you need to block a 4/2.
Anyway, in EDH though it's obviously horrendous. Terrifically gross art, though.
Well here's a card I never heard of before. The interesting thing about this card that I first noticed is the card template spacing. They actually indented the words to make it easier to see that there are multiple parts to the card.
As for the card itself, rules question: Can this card allow me to ignore the rule which states that I can't pay more life than I have for effects? For example, if this card is in play, could I use Treasonous Ogre and pay 3,000 life into a giant Fireball? Because that would be pretty cool.
If a cost or effect allows a player to pay an amout of life greater than 0, the player may do so only if his or her life total is greater than or equal to the amount of the payment.
Would maybe run in a proliferate heavy deck as a last resort to keep myself alive, although it isn't hard for a player to do tons of damage in a single turn and remove all those counters...
If a cost or effect allows a player to pay an amout of life greater than 0, the player may do so only if his or her life total is greater than or equal to the amount of the payment.
Would maybe run in a proliferate heavy deck as a last resort to keep myself alive, although it isn't hard for a player to do tons of damage in a single turn and remove all those counters...
2/10 for interest if nothing else.
I figured that was the case. It would make for some interesting uses for the card.
Delaying Shield - Since you control both replacement effects, choose to put counters on the Shield rather than removing counters from Soul echo. You lose life on your upkeep when you remove those counters, but life loss doesn't trigger the Echo (or put poison counters on you for Unlife), so you won't die, and the Echo/Unlife keeps you alive even when your life total gets very negative.
Ad Naus - You lose life for each card you put into hand, but it's not a life payment. You can go very negative like this in one turn, and Echo/Unlife keep you from dying so you can proceed to combo out.
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As Wildfire mentioned, an excellent addition for multiple Combo uses. Could also be interesting with a variety of proliferate effects, or to play in Bant with Gilder Bairn, Vorel of the Hull clade, and Doubling Season.
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Ok obviously this is the spirit of a hairy land shrimp that lost half its body in combat.
Right off the bat I like that it's a one drop 1/1. That's good because in Commander there are so many different ways to abuse those stats. But look at the actual ability. +1/+1 to another creature until end of turn? Eh, no thanks. Give me Spore Frog any day of the week over this.
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If it gave a +1/+1 counter it would actually be worth throwing into an Animar deck.
salvaging station can only return noncreature artifacts, or it'd go infinite with everything ever.
It does go infinite with flayer husk but that's neither here nor there.
Anyway yes, this card is, like, super duper bad. even in spirit tribal. EVEN IN SPIRIT TRIBAL. that's a special sort of bad.
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Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Not useful at all.
I would most likely think about playing it in my tribal slug deck, although it does have competition. I would probably also draft it not quite last in a bad rare draft format. It's a pretty good card, so in either scenario I would have to debate between this or a basic land.
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In all seriousness though, I think I'd rather just pay another mana for a Pillarfield Ox.
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As to the card itself... being a 2/4 for 3 makes it draftable, as the first strike elements won't make a difference either way in most match-ups, but in EDH it's just terrible. Compare it at other choices at the same CMC... is anyone going to run this over Eternal Witness? Wood Elves? Or even Carven Caryatid?
This one gets an F.
I'm more concerned about who on the development team felt this needed to be time shifted.
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Another obviously superior choice for sure.... the same stats, no drawback, much more impressive abilities.
I have some copies of the Slug around, but I keep them in boxes with other stuff that I don't anticipate ever using.
And it's a slug... that spits...
Gatherer has been giving us some real gems recently...
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7/10 for the art
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Anyway, in EDH though it's obviously horrendous. Terrifically gross art, though.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Well here's a card I never heard of before. The interesting thing about this card that I first noticed is the card template spacing. They actually indented the words to make it easier to see that there are multiple parts to the card.
As for the card itself, rules question: Can this card allow me to ignore the rule which states that I can't pay more life than I have for effects? For example, if this card is in play, could I use Treasonous Ogre and pay 3,000 life into a giant Fireball? Because that would be pretty cool.
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If a cost or effect allows a player to pay an amout of life greater than 0, the player may do so only if his or her life total is greater than or equal to the amount of the payment.
Would maybe run in a proliferate heavy deck as a last resort to keep myself alive, although it isn't hard for a player to do tons of damage in a single turn and remove all those counters...
2/10 for interest if nothing else.
I figured that was the case. It would make for some interesting uses for the card.
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Delaying Shield - Since you control both replacement effects, choose to put counters on the Shield rather than removing counters from Soul echo. You lose life on your upkeep when you remove those counters, but life loss doesn't trigger the Echo (or put poison counters on you for Unlife), so you won't die, and the Echo/Unlife keeps you alive even when your life total gets very negative.
Ad Naus - You lose life for each card you put into hand, but it's not a life payment. You can go very negative like this in one turn, and Echo/Unlife keep you from dying so you can proceed to combo out.
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Also, this is a metaphysically and philosophically thought provoking card. Notice that when you echo your soul, any tattoos you have on you carry over to the soul. Think very carefully when you are getting your ink done, its even more permanent than you might have expected.
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As Wildfire mentioned, an excellent addition for multiple Combo uses. Could also be interesting with a variety of proliferate effects, or to play in Bant with Gilder Bairn, Vorel of the Hull clade, and Doubling Season.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek