I agree these are awesome, but not for EVERY green deck. I tested them in Derevi and they didn't make the cut, because when you compare him to things like Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Edric, Spymaster of Trest he's subpar. In a less competitive version, or a deck that needs to play higher CMC spells he's better, but a must include.
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I don't think I've ever NOT included them in a green deck.
This makes me want to look up ramp creatures in green. This, Farhaven Elf, and Sakura-Tribe Elder are in pretty much all my green decks. Oh, and Yavimaya Elder, because, seriously?
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
^ nicely done. I think the bottom of the cloaks got a little too much emphasis with choice of colors to extend it out would be about my only complaint. Otherwise I really like what you did with it.
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Yeah. I made a version on Microsoft paint and then from there my alterist made it. I noticed it too but I mean for 5 dollars I'm not going to complain. But ont he actually card Now that I think of it I favor it over Farhaven Elf mostly because its old... and it can grab shocks
Not really having any shocks or dryad arbors, I often find myself wondering whether or not wood elves is better than farhaven elf in a multicolour deck if he is just grabbing a basic untapped forest. Of course, the question doesn't usually require all THAT much thought, because I just end up running both.
Not really having any shocks or dryad arbors, I often find myself wondering whether or not wood elves is better than farhaven elf in a multicolour deck if he is just grabbing a basic untapped forest. Of course, the question doesn't usually require all THAT much thought, because I just end up running both.
If you aren't running shocks or duals then his (their?) awesomeness significantly diminishes. Sure, it gets an untapped Forest, but a lot of the draw of the mana dorks is that they're fixing, not necessarily ramp.
Well I like the art. I like the effect of the card too, but I was very displeased with the Strive mechanic. It's basically Replicate, except there were actually playable cards that had Replicate. Ok, maybe one, but Strive felt too safe. The cmc of the cards started off to high, and then once you tack on the strive cost it made the card near unplayable. Take this card for example: seven mana to instant speed exile two creatures? No thanks. I'll wait until my turn and pay five life.
I think it's unfortunate for this card that a lot of enchantment based voltron is also usually pretty good at shroud/hexproof as well, otherwise the instant speed exiling seems useful for black decks.
I think I'd prefer Sever the Bloodline over this in just about each case. Shame, that.
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this card plays better in golgary & bug ECT. decks with a good ramp where it can be played 4-5 th drop & & adjust that opponent that's ahead of you---- that said---
there are other options. however adding one extra will help increase the odds of actualy having one of those options in your hand but this is one of those cards that you will only miss on the games You loose. sometimes its the average cards that make the difference in consistency & increase win percentages of decks --all instant speed spot removal has some usefullness watch for some nub with a budget deck to wreck your board state with this card when you cant counter it " Toche"
It's not a bad card, but I've found myself not running it, despite having a few copies. Paying 7 mana to exile two creatures at instant speed... there are worse things you could do with that much mana, but there are also better ones, and using it to get rid of one target seems underwhelming most of the time.
If I ever went the route of not running the same non-land card in more than one deck, I'd be all over this - I'd have to be, given how many decks I run - but as is, I'm not seeing it making the cut any time soon. At the same time, if someone else was to run it, I wouldn't be asking why the hell they're running it.
Weird, didn't expect to see so many people against it. Personally I like it a lot, just like other flexible cards you have to consider it as better than any single one of its modes because you're paying for the flexibility. 4 mana to exile any creature at instant speed is pretty reasonable. There's really nothing at 2 cmc or less that doesn't come with a restriction or a downside, and even at 3 it's all destroy and not exile. Compared to the two 3-cmc pay-5-life double-removal spells, I like it because it lacks color restrictions and it's an instant. Yes, 7 is a lot to pay for it, but really the 4-mana mode is its default imo. And of course, if you run this in a mono-black build like geth or drana or anyone else who wants absurd mana off coffers, gauntlet, crypt ghast, and all the other doublers out there, this can be an exiling instant-speed plague wind if you topdeck it late.
I still prefer some other, cheaper removal over this because it's easier to keep up (dismember, gftt, tragic slip) but this usually makes the cut in my removal-heavy black decks. Unfortunately it's a bit of a nonbo with some of my favorites (glissa, geth) though.
In sort of a niche but I run it in my Toshiro Umezawa deck because the deck wants instants so that it can interact with them again potentially. Its sort of a nonbo with the commander but its useful to deal with indestructible things that can otherwise be a pain. I can flash it back which is sort of the selling point for it and the deck likes to play at instant speed so even though its a little more expensive to use it it serves as the exile option and it fits the Instant speed theme.
I agree though with the assertion that its a little too expensive for what it does to really be mainstream or amazing for the format. Sever the Bloodline and Ashes to Ashes will on average serve people better as exile removal in black. I think wizards played it a little too safe on this card as I sort of feel like the strive on it needed to cost one less even if it meant that the original cost needed to go up by one. Pushing up the cost of the first target and allowing it to scale better on the copies would have been better for this format while not breaking it for 60 card formats.
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I might try this sometime, but it's not replacing the likes of Downfall. Maybe it beats out Murder. I suppose it could, anyway. Maybe I'll look into a foil copy.
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The card is amazing in most every way. Its a good card to jam into a value engine ETB deck.
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Now if only Ron Spencer had his own illustration for Wood Elves...
Seriously, they look like they're marching to war on Morgoth. I love it.
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This makes me want to look up ramp creatures in green. This, Farhaven Elf, and Sakura-Tribe Elder are in pretty much all my green decks. Oh, and Yavimaya Elder, because, seriously?
Oh, to avoid the inevitable issues of Armageddon, you really need Life from the Loam, Crucible of Worlds (possibly with Exploration, Oracle of Mul Daya, or Azusa, Lost but Seeking), and, in white, Sun Titan.
On phasing:
I actually have an altar of it.
But I love the card. Its normally an auto-include in all my green decks with nature's lore and three visits.
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That alter is beautiful. That's my favorite Wood Elves art, as well, and my second favorite is, well, the other Rebecca Guay Wood Elves (from Exodus).
If you aren't running shocks or duals then his (their?) awesomeness significantly diminishes. Sure, it gets an untapped Forest, but a lot of the draw of the mana dorks is that they're fixing, not necessarily ramp.
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Well I like the art. I like the effect of the card too, but I was very displeased with the Strive mechanic. It's basically Replicate, except there were actually playable cards that had Replicate. Ok, maybe one, but Strive felt too safe. The cmc of the cards started off to high, and then once you tack on the strive cost it made the card near unplayable. Take this card for example: seven mana to instant speed exile two creatures? No thanks. I'll wait until my turn and pay five life.
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I guess its an anti-voltron card, since it exiles auras. Too bad majority have hexproof or shroud on them.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
there are other options. however adding one extra will help increase the odds of actualy having one of those options in your hand but this is one of those cards that you will only miss on the games You loose. sometimes its the average cards that make the difference in consistency & increase win percentages of decks --all instant speed spot removal has some usefullness watch for some nub with a budget deck to wreck your board state with this card when you cant counter it " Toche"
If I ever went the route of not running the same non-land card in more than one deck, I'd be all over this - I'd have to be, given how many decks I run - but as is, I'm not seeing it making the cut any time soon. At the same time, if someone else was to run it, I wouldn't be asking why the hell they're running it.
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I still prefer some other, cheaper removal over this because it's easier to keep up (dismember, gftt, tragic slip) but this usually makes the cut in my removal-heavy black decks. Unfortunately it's a bit of a nonbo with some of my favorites (glissa, geth) though.
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I agree though with the assertion that its a little too expensive for what it does to really be mainstream or amazing for the format. Sever the Bloodline and Ashes to Ashes will on average serve people better as exile removal in black. I think wizards played it a little too safe on this card as I sort of feel like the strive on it needed to cost one less even if it meant that the original cost needed to go up by one. Pushing up the cost of the first target and allowing it to scale better on the copies would have been better for this format while not breaking it for 60 card formats.
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