So I thought I start a thread that I occasionally post doomsday scenario is I get into in commander to help people better understand his to make piles and just to let people have fun thinking .
You can see me doomsday list in the main forum under damia if DDLM
I played a game yesterday where I mulled to 6 and hit a very good hand
Scalding tarn watery grave personal tutor gush street wraith Dark ritual
This hand has everything you want to see our best enabler in dark ritual vs trips and a way to find doomsday as well as gush mana. I've seen hand like thus many times. Normally with a normal cantrip like ponder you build
Petal
LED
Probe
Yawgmoths will
Lab man
With a mulltrip like mental note you would build
Labman
X
Led
Unearth
Probe/ SW
With street wraith you can't use a normal yawgwill pile because you can't recast it to mill out so how do you win on turn 2? There is a possible pile have fun with puzzle 1
If your not the puzzle type but want to know the answer I added a spoiler but I urge you to try on your own first
Pile 1
LED
Predict
Unearth
Labman
Gitaxin probe / SDT
Cycle first
Crack led to gush floating UBBB
Predict yourself don't name labman
Unearth + probe/ SDT
Pile 2
LED
Night's Whisper
Probe / SDT
Lab man
Sol ring / mana crypt must be crypt if using SDT
Cycle for led
Crack led to gush float UBBB
Cast nights whisper
Cast crypt / ring
Cast lab man
Mill out with SDT / Probe
Pile 3
LED
Petal
Night whisper
Labman
Probe
Cast gush float U or B
Crack play petal and led . Crack led for the color your not floating to cycle
Cast nights whisper
Sac petal cast lab man
Cast probe
SPOILER puzzle 2
Play mox diamond bin swamp.
Play swamp
Play petal
Tap swap for dark ritual
Play top
Play led
Play demonic tutor cracking LED BBB get doomsday
Cast doomsday
Pile
Ideas unbound
LED
Gitaxin Probe
Yawgwin
Labman
AFTER doomsday sac petal for U tap diamond for U
Flop top
Cast IU draw top led probe
Cast led
Cast probe crack led BBB
Cast yawgwin win
Cast led AND petal crack for UUUU
Cast probe drawl labman
Cast lab man
Cast top
Flop top ftw.
Easy pile and Demonstrates how something simple "sac timing on petal" is very important. As saving it after DD lets yawgwin grab you the missing mana.
Puzzle 3
Put mana Vault on top the order if LED Demonic is irrelevant
Cast City of Brass cast mana vault say go
Untap draw LED or Demonic
Tap City of brass for U
Tap top in response to the tigger tap mana vault
Cast chain if vapor with the top trigger on the stack sac city if brass bounce mana vault at top draw the second card
Cast top and vault floating 1 tap vault float 4 colorless
Play LED play fetch crack for underground Sea
Tap the swamp for B cast demonic tutor crack LED for BBB get Doomsday
Cast Doomsday untapped land floating 3 colorless
Pile
Predict
LED
Probe
Yawgmoths will
Labman
Tap top draw predict
Tap land for U cast predict mill Top floating 2 colorless
Cast LED
Cast probe crack led BBB
Cast yawgwin floating 2
Cast led crack UUU
Cast probe draw lab man
Cast Labman
Cast top
Tap top
Win
Turn 1: Watery Grave, Personal Tutor for Doomsday.
Turn 2: Scalding Tarn for Underground Sea, Dark Ritual, Doomsday. Pile is Lion's Eye Diamond, Laboratory Maniac, Yawgmoth's Will, Unearth, Gitaxian Probe. Cycle Street Wraith for LED. Play LED. Cast Gush for free, crack LED in response for BBB. Cast Yawgwill, recast Dark Ritual and LED. Crack LED. Recast Gush, Unearth Lab Man, cast G Probe.
Turn 1: Watery Grave, Personal Tutor for Doomsday.
Turn 2: Scalding Tarn for Underground Sea, Dark Ritual, Doomsday. Pile is Lion's Eye Diamond, Laboratory Maniac, Yawgmoth's Will, Unearth, Gitaxian Probe. Cycle Street Wraith for LED. Play LED. Cast Gush for free, crack LED in response for BBB. Cast Yawgwill, recast Dark Ritual and LED. Crack LED. Recast Gush, Unearth Lab Man, cast G Probe.
Doomsday gets rid of ritual in gy nice try though.
Turn 1: Land, Personal Tutor for Doomsday
Turn 2: Land, Dark Ritual, Doomsday, Gush (floating a mana), play LED, cycle Street Wraith, crack LED in response, cast Night's Whisper, cast Unearth, cast G Probe.
That works ! And it's not even in my spoiler though it's pretty close great job !
I know you want another ...
Here's a toughie
You open a amazing hand
Led Swamp Swamp Dark ritual Demonjc tutor lotus petal Senseis diving top. Your first to play and your opponents play white and we hate swords to plowshares. You start to think about all the ways you can play the hand to win on turn 2. Then as if your draw isn't good enough you pull a yugioh and draw a Mox diamond off the top of your deck! Not wanting to chance swords you think to yourself can I win with this turn 1? The answer is yes!!! Win the game on turn 1
That works ! And it's not even in my spoiler though it's pretty close great job !
I know you want another ...
Here's a toughie
You open a amazing hand
Led Swamp Swamp Dark ritual Demonjc tutor lotus petal Senseis diving top. Your first to play and your opponents play white and we hate swords to plowshares. You start to think about all the ways you can play the hand to win on turn 2. Then as if your draw isn't good enough you pull a yugioh and draw a Mox diamond off the top of your deck! Not wanting to chance swords you think to yourself can I win with this turn 1? The answer is yes!!! Win the game on turn 1
swamp: dark ritual - BBB
mox: top
demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will - B
but in response to cast, activate LED for BBB - BBBB
Petal for B - BBBBB
cast yawg's will - BB
dark ritual - BBBB
LED - crack for UUU - BBBBUUU
petal - crack for B - BBBBBUUU
Demonic tutor for doomsday. - BBBUUU
Play doomsday - UUU
activate top
ideas unbound - U
Mana Crypt, use - U2
Mana Vault, use - U4
top, use - U3
maniac - 1
top, use - 0
gitaxian probe
win
EDIT - EPIC FAILURE! Still missing a mana for the top at the end. So much sadness.
Okay so if Instead of demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will and instead get gitaxian probe, then cast it and draw yawgmoth's will, then I can get it to work
Okay I noticed I also cheated and drew an extra card for free. I am terrible at this
swamp: dark ritual - BBB
mox: top
demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will - B
but in response to cast, activate LED for BBB - BBBB
Petal for B - BBBBB
cast yawg's will - BB
dark ritual - BBBB
LED - crack for UUU - BBBBUUU
petal - crack for B - BBBBBUUU
Demonic tutor for doomsday. - BBBUUU
Play doomsday - UUU
activate top
ideas unbound - U
Mana Crypt, use - U2
Mana Vault, use - U4
top, use - U3
maniac - 1
top, use - 0
gitaxian probe
win
EDIT - EPIC FAILURE! Still missing a mana for the top at the end. So much sadness.
Okay so if Instead of demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will and instead get gitaxian probe, then cast it and draw yawgmoth's will, then I can get it to work
Okay I noticed I also cheated and drew an extra card for free. I am terrible at this
Awesome attempt I hoped someone would try this line but it's not correct it's actually a little more simple way of getting that extra mana there's a hint.
Pop the Top to draw and cast Meditate with all your mana. Cast LED and Crypt. Tap crypt to cast Top. Cast Probe and pop LED for blue in response, draw and cast Lab Maniac, pop the Top and win with one extra mana floating. BAM!
Er, crap. Miscounted mana at the start. Can I use the extra mana at the end to cast Top at the beginning?
Wait, I can just use SAUS's Yawgmoth's Will trick pre-Doomsday to get the extra mana. That's it, right? But it's not, because LED is exiled now. Arg.
Pop the Top to draw and cast Meditate with all your mana. Cast LED and Crypt. Tap crypt to cast Top. Cast Probe and pop LED for blue in response, draw and cast Lab Maniac, pop the Top and win with one extra mana floating. BAM!
Er, crap. Miscounted mana at the start. Can I use the extra mana at the end to cast Top at the beginning?
Wait, I can just use SAUS's Yawgmoth's Will trick pre-Doomsday to get the extra mana. That's it, right? But it's not, because LED is exiled now. Arg.
I knew this would be a good one your all going to beat yourself up once you get it. Hint: stop making it so hard play the hand don't do the math.
Puzzle 3 let's set the stage
You sit down to a high powered 4 player game of edh with your friends Bryant Cook and Donald! You whip out your DOOMSDAY deck. Your opponents are on Ad Naususm storm combo and edric Extra turns counters and cheap dudes. Bryant wins the role damn at least edric plays last ! You open this hand
Force of Will, Mystical Tutor, Senseis Diving Top, Farseek, Scalding Tarn , City of Brass , Street Wraith You think hmm tutor cantrip lands ramp protection good to go !
Bryant plays first
Swamp lotus petal Mox Diamond binning another swamp says GO.
What a scary Opener we top deck Swamp! Not wanting to take damage or waste a fetch when we craft with top we go Swamp Top Go.
edric plays Tropical Island Arbor Elf says go
Bryant HOLD... Dark Ritual Ad Naususm!
Donald shoots you a glare " I can't stop it"
Damn There goes our tutor " Force of Will binning Mystical Tutor!"
Bryant does not look happy in fact he doesn't even have a land drop he passes . At the end of his turn You Cycle Street Wraith and draw Chain of Vapor
We contemplate are situation our hand is trash and were about to stare down a turn 2 Erdric and we have nothing to stop him. If we upkeep the Top Maybe we will find the answer
We spin the top on Upkeep with our Swamp Top shows : Mana Vault, Lions Eye Diamond, Demonic Tutor. We think about our situation. Donald will likely drop a Turn 2 edric if he untaps turn 3 we will never break through his counter spell wall. It's time to push all are chips toward the center of the table were "all In"
You can see me doomsday list in the main forum under damia if DDLM
I played a game yesterday where I mulled to 6 and hit a very good hand
Scalding tarn watery grave personal tutor gush street wraith Dark ritual
This hand has everything you want to see our best enabler in dark ritual vs trips and a way to find doomsday as well as gush mana. I've seen hand like thus many times. Normally with a normal cantrip like ponder you build
Petal
LED
Probe
Yawgmoths will
Lab man
With a mulltrip like mental note you would build
Labman
X
Led
Unearth
Probe/ SW
With street wraith you can't use a normal yawgwill pile because you can't recast it to mill out so how do you win on turn 2? There is a possible pile have fun with puzzle 1
If your not the puzzle type but want to know the answer I added a spoiler but I urge you to try on your own first
Pile 1
LED
Predict
Unearth
Labman
Gitaxin probe / SDT
Cycle first
Crack led to gush floating UBBB
Predict yourself don't name labman
Unearth + probe/ SDT
Pile 2
LED
Night's Whisper
Probe / SDT
Lab man
Sol ring / mana crypt must be crypt if using SDT
Cycle for led
Crack led to gush float UBBB
Cast nights whisper
Cast crypt / ring
Cast lab man
Mill out with SDT / Probe
Pile 3
LED
Petal
Night whisper
Labman
Probe
Cast gush float U or B
Crack play petal and led . Crack led for the color your not floating to cycle
Cast nights whisper
Sac petal cast lab man
Cast probe
SPOILER puzzle 2
Play mox diamond bin swamp.
Play swamp
Play petal
Tap swap for dark ritual
Play top
Play led
Play demonic tutor cracking LED BBB get doomsday
Cast doomsday
Pile
Ideas unbound
LED
Gitaxin Probe
Yawgwin
Labman
AFTER doomsday sac petal for U tap diamond for U
Flop top
Cast IU draw top led probe
Cast led
Cast probe crack led BBB
Cast yawgwin win
Cast led AND petal crack for UUUU
Cast probe drawl labman
Cast lab man
Cast top
Flop top ftw.
Easy pile and Demonstrates how something simple "sac timing on petal" is very important. As saving it after DD lets yawgwin grab you the missing mana.
Puzzle 3
Put mana Vault on top the order if LED Demonic is irrelevant
Cast City of Brass cast mana vault say go
Untap draw LED or Demonic
Tap City of brass for U
Tap top in response to the tigger tap mana vault
Cast chain if vapor with the top trigger on the stack sac city if brass bounce mana vault at top draw the second card
Cast top and vault floating 1 tap vault float 4 colorless
Play LED play fetch crack for underground Sea
Tap the swamp for B cast demonic tutor crack LED for BBB get Doomsday
Cast Doomsday untapped land floating 3 colorless
Pile
Predict
LED
Probe
Yawgmoths will
Labman
Tap top draw predict
Tap land for U cast predict mill Top floating 2 colorless
Cast LED
Cast probe crack led BBB
Cast yawgwin floating 2
Cast led crack UUU
Cast probe draw lab man
Cast Labman
Cast top
Tap top
Win
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Also hint : there is more than one pile that works one of which has an interchangeable card! At least 3 unique piles work!
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Turn 2: Scalding Tarn for Underground Sea, Dark Ritual, Doomsday. Pile is Lion's Eye Diamond, Laboratory Maniac, Yawgmoth's Will, Unearth, Gitaxian Probe. Cycle Street Wraith for LED. Play LED. Cast Gush for free, crack LED in response for BBB. Cast Yawgwill, recast Dark Ritual and LED. Crack LED. Recast Gush, Unearth Lab Man, cast G Probe.
RWUNumot, the DevastatorUWR - UBDralnu, Lich LordBU - WBURGReaper KingGRUBW - RBMalfegorBR
It's an EDH deck.:p
Sorry, OP was a bit... obscure
RWUNumot, the DevastatorUWR - UBDralnu, Lich LordBU - WBURGReaper KingGRUBW - RBMalfegorBR
5-color Eggs
EDIT: I also floated my mana before casting Gush to avoid epic facepalm
Doomsday gets rid of ritual in gy nice try though.
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Turn 1: Land, Personal Tutor for Doomsday
Turn 2: Land, Dark Ritual, Doomsday, Gush (floating a mana), play LED, cycle Street Wraith, crack LED in response, cast Night's Whisper, cast Unearth, cast G Probe.
I know you want another ...
Here's a toughie
You open a amazing hand
Led Swamp Swamp Dark ritual Demonjc tutor lotus petal Senseis diving top. Your first to play and your opponents play white and we hate swords to plowshares. You start to think about all the ways you can play the hand to win on turn 2. Then as if your draw isn't good enough you pull a yugioh and draw a Mox diamond off the top of your deck! Not wanting to chance swords you think to yourself can I win with this turn 1? The answer is yes!!! Win the game on turn 1
Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
My brain hurts >.<
Do we have to use only cards from your list?
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
No use whatever if you want deep analysis use it, but it's possible with my list commander legal though no black lotus ancestral recall please.
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Of course just wanted to make sure on your list.
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
That's an insight think critically How could you get 1 more mana ? That's the key
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EDIT - EPIC FAILURE! Still missing a mana for the top at the end. So much sadness.
swamp, mox diamond (discard swamp), petal, LED
swamp: dark ritual - BBB
mox: top
demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will - B
but in response to cast, activate LED for BBB - BBBB
Petal for B - BBBBB
cast yawg's will - BB
dark ritual - BBBB
LED - crack for UUU - BBBBUUU
petal - crack for B - BBBBBUUU
Demonic tutor for doomsday. - BBBUUU
Play doomsday - UUU
Deck:
activate top
ideas unbound - U
Mana Crypt, use - U2
Mana Vault, use - U4
top, use - U3
maniac - 1
top, use - 0
gitaxian probe
win
EDIT - EPIC FAILURE! Still missing a mana for the top at the end. So much sadness.
Okay so if Instead of demonic tutor for yawgmoth's will and instead get gitaxian probe, then cast it and draw yawgmoth's will, then I can get it to work
Okay I noticed I also cheated and drew an extra card for free. I am terrible at this
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
Awesome attempt I hoped someone would try this line but it's not correct it's actually a little more simple way of getting that extra mana there's a hint.
Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
Meditate
Lion's Eye Diamond
Mana Crypt
Gitaxian Probe
Laboratory Maniac
Pop the Top to draw and cast Meditate with all your mana. Cast LED and Crypt. Tap crypt to cast Top. Cast Probe and pop LED for blue in response, draw and cast Lab Maniac, pop the Top and win with one extra mana floating. BAM!
Er, crap. Miscounted mana at the start. Can I use the extra mana at the end to cast Top at the beginning?
Wait, I can just use SAUS's Yawgmoth's Will trick pre-Doomsday to get the extra mana. That's it, right? But it's not, because LED is exiled now. Arg.
Draft my Mono-Blue Cube!
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I knew this would be a good one your all going to beat yourself up once you get it. Hint: stop making it so hard play the hand don't do the math.
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Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
You sit down to a high powered 4 player game of edh with your friends Bryant Cook and Donald! You whip out your DOOMSDAY deck. Your opponents are on Ad Naususm storm combo and edric Extra turns counters and cheap dudes. Bryant wins the role damn at least edric plays last ! You open this hand
Force of Will, Mystical Tutor, Senseis Diving Top, Farseek, Scalding Tarn , City of Brass , Street Wraith You think hmm tutor cantrip lands ramp protection good to go !
Bryant plays first
Swamp lotus petal Mox Diamond binning another swamp says GO.
What a scary Opener we top deck Swamp! Not wanting to take damage or waste a fetch when we craft with top we go Swamp Top Go.
edric plays Tropical Island Arbor Elf says go
Bryant HOLD... Dark Ritual Ad Naususm!
Donald shoots you a glare " I can't stop it"
Damn There goes our tutor " Force of Will binning Mystical Tutor!"
Bryant does not look happy in fact he doesn't even have a land drop he passes . At the end of his turn You Cycle Street Wraith and draw Chain of Vapor
We contemplate are situation our hand is trash and were about to stare down a turn 2 Erdric and we have nothing to stop him. If we upkeep the Top Maybe we will find the answer
We spin the top on Upkeep with our Swamp Top shows : Mana Vault, Lions Eye Diamond, Demonic Tutor. We think about our situation. Donald will likely drop a Turn 2 edric if he untaps turn 3 we will never break through his counter spell wall. It's time to push all are chips toward the center of the table were "all In"
Finish the game by Winning on turn 3.
Good luck !
Edit: fixed it !
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