Hello, I'm currently looking at making a new stax general, after having dismantled my Zur deck for being incredibly boring. What I'm interested in doing now is playing a stax general that involves green and blue, as I love blue Stax effects, and I'd really like to leverage green's ramping/token creation abilities.
I play in a moderately competitive meta, Rafiq voltron, Kahlia goodstuffs, Sharuum Combo and sometimes a Ghave token deck. I now have a friend building Nekusar, so there is a need for efficiency versing such good generals. I should mention we have a mutual agreement that no one uses another general that is already in use. With that in mind, I'm looking for either a u/g/x or a u/g general or maybe even five colour, that is capable of shutting the board down. More specifically, land denial. I love eating people's lands. It makes the tears my body craves.
I should also mention I have read the incredible Stax primer by Phil.
Current Thoughts:
BUG seems incredibly limited, and RUG seems better suited to combo. I'm sure people will challenge me on this however.
TLDR; Good multiplayer stax general that is either :symgu::?mana:, :simic:, or :symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:
Damia can be pretty good. All the things like Exploration to play extra land drops, add some Nether Void and Mana Vortex to offset those extra drops, play a low curve, ramp out the general on mana-flood draws or when you run out of steam. Recur Oblivion Stone and Tangle Wire with Academy Ruins. Win with any of the million combos available to those colors.
I agree Damia is probably the best in BUG for a stax general.
While she may not have a stax effect stapled onto her the sheer amount of card avantage she provides is amazing.
In stax its pretty easy to run out of cards in hand. She fixes that...
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I'm actually building something along the lines of Stax Avacyn myself. Fair warning, the deck won't work unless you're willing to go all the way (including MLD). But if you do, it can be astoundingly powerful and fast.
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Deveri Stasis/Twiddle. There's a number of deck lists people have made, but she looks like a fairly easy deck to build.
Came here specifically to say this. Derevi is going to be far and away the best stax general in UGx (without going 5cc). You just run all of the mana denial cards and little dudes to act as your mana base. To get a good list going, you can probably just skim a few lists of: Teeg/Hokori stax & Edric. Looks like a fun deck right now
I get that Damia has the potential to be a very strong hand-refill, but with the land denial strategy I want to shoot for, I have a feeling I would rarely hit 7 mana. Even when I did, when I played Damia, it would be unlikey that she would last until my next turn, considering that my meta has strong removal. BUG does have brilliant colours for what I'm wanting however, so that's certainly something to consider.
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I'm actually building something along the lines of Stax Avacyn myself. Fair warning, the deck won't work unless you're willing to go all the way (including MLD). But if you do, it can be astoundingly powerful and fast.
Is she fast? I mean mono-white is pretty limiting when it comes to mana, I would think. I've seen alot of Avacyn strategies that use things like Worldslayer, but like Damia, she's so expensive! How do you maintain land drops?
And the new bant general Derevi, Empyrial Tactician could also run an orb stax/prison deck as easily as Vorel could.
Vorell can work as stax huh? That I did not expect. Does feel like Derevi would be better though, and getting access to white is pretty sweet.
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For Simic, I know Edric prospers under a Winter Orb, so that might be a good one.
A bizarre choice, can you reason why Edric would be a good STAX general?
Thanks so far for the replies people!
So far I'm still leaning towards Derevi, though I did have a minor gripe about Derevi's art until I leaned in and realized what exactly I was looking at. Maybe its the perspective, I don't know, just confused the heck out of me at first haha.
How do people feel about 5 colour stax? Is it worth it? I would probably look at Big Babby and Sliver Queen in particular, but I'm toying with the idea of getting to run each colour's best land-orientated stax cards all in one deck.
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I play in a moderately competitive meta, Rafiq voltron, Kahlia goodstuffs, Sharuum Combo and sometimes a Ghave token deck. I now have a friend building Nekusar, so there is a need for efficiency versing such good generals. I should mention we have a mutual agreement that no one uses another general that is already in use. With that in mind, I'm looking for either a u/g/x or a u/g general or maybe even five colour, that is capable of shutting the board down. More specifically, land denial. I love eating people's lands. It makes the tears my body craves.
I should also mention I have read the incredible Stax primer by Phil.
Current Thoughts:
BUG seems incredibly limited, and RUG seems better suited to combo. I'm sure people will challenge me on this however.
TLDR; Good multiplayer stax general that is either :symgu::?mana:, :simic:, or :symw::symu::symb::symr::symg:
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I hadn't considered that interaction when I saw her. Seems interesting, I'll put her on my consideration list.
Yes they do. It's a pity they are Jund coloured however.
Do people consider Angus Mackenzie stax worthy? Keep the commander suggestions coming
While she may not have a stax effect stapled onto her the sheer amount of card avantage she provides is amazing.
In stax its pretty easy to run out of cards in hand. She fixes that...
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I'm actually building something along the lines of Stax Avacyn myself. Fair warning, the deck won't work unless you're willing to go all the way (including MLD). But if you do, it can be astoundingly powerful and fast.
I'm officially proposing we retire the word "insane" from the MtG vocabulary.
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And the new bant general Derevi, Empyrial Tactician could also run an orb stax/prison deck as easily as Vorel could.
Damia would be my last option as far as the pre-requistes you gave.
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Came here specifically to say this. Derevi is going to be far and away the best stax general in UGx (without going 5cc). You just run all of the mana denial cards and little dudes to act as your mana base. To get a good list going, you can probably just skim a few lists of: Teeg/Hokori stax & Edric. Looks like a fun deck right now
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I get that Damia has the potential to be a very strong hand-refill, but with the land denial strategy I want to shoot for, I have a feeling I would rarely hit 7 mana. Even when I did, when I played Damia, it would be unlikey that she would last until my next turn, considering that my meta has strong removal. BUG does have brilliant colours for what I'm wanting however, so that's certainly something to consider.
Is she fast? I mean mono-white is pretty limiting when it comes to mana, I would think. I've seen alot of Avacyn strategies that use things like Worldslayer, but like Damia, she's so expensive! How do you maintain land drops?
Vorell can work as stax huh? That I did not expect. Does feel like Derevi would be better though, and getting access to white is pretty sweet.
A bizarre choice, can you reason why Edric would be a good STAX general?
Thanks so far for the replies people!
So far I'm still leaning towards Derevi, though I did have a minor gripe about Derevi's art until I leaned in and realized what exactly I was looking at. Maybe its the perspective, I don't know, just confused the heck out of me at first haha.
How do people feel about 5 colour stax? Is it worth it? I would probably look at Big Babby and Sliver Queen in particular, but I'm toying with the idea of getting to run each colour's best land-orientated stax cards all in one deck.