I like Trygon Predator. Because it either eats removal that your other real threats wont, or it starts removing ramp, protections, and opponent's threats.
The one I always think of is Simic Sky Swallower. This guy used to be a total shoe in, but now we expect so much out of a 6+ drop, and given the advent of hexproof, shroud is usually a liability and prevents you from stapling equips and auras onto your fatties. Also, 6/6 flying, trample, ~mostly unpumbable just doesn't seem good enough with monsters like the eldrazi, and other huge creatures kicking around.
I used to hate seeing him dropped by Momir. Along those lines, does anyone still play Darksteel Colossus?
The one I always think of is Simic Sky Swallower. This guy used to be a total shoe in, but now we expect so much out of a 6+ drop, and given the advent of hexproof, shroud is usually a liability and prevents you from stapling equips and auras onto your fatties. Also, 6/6 flying, trample, ~mostly unpumbable just doesn't seem good enough with monsters like the eldrazi, and other huge creatures kicking around.
Yeah, that guy is quite the poster boy for used-to-be-goods. Since it's hard to improve it, at best it's usually 6 damage a turn to one person. Giant meh.
And I agree with the people saying akroma's pretty meh too.
I can't think of a good reason why anybody would.
It got so very outclassed.
I...I'm still running Darksteel Colossus in one deck. He's good in Bosh, Iron Golem as a budget giant guy whose also an artifact with a big casting cost for Bosh to throw at someone.
Let's be accurate here. EDH is as old as the original Elder Dragons, when you had to choose one of the Elder Dragons as your general and you started the game with 3 basic lands in play. One for each of your colours.
I'm sure there are still people who play them as Commanders at present times, but the Wedge dragons...until the Commander Products rolled around. You don't see them that much anymore.
When I first started coming here a few years ago I remember a lot of complaints about Maga, Traitor to Mortals. He's still a strong black big mana general, but I guess not as good as he used to be.
Or Vig? I haven't seen Momir Vig as a general in a couple years.
Prophet of kruphix screams to me that Vig decks will become popular again, if only for a time, as it combines the two most important creatures from the Vig deck into one.
Primordial Sage has been outclassed like four or five times.
Mana Flare kinds of effects aren't used like they used to be.
I remember when it made sense to put Shatter or Disenchant in a deck.
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2UURRniv mizzet, the firemind endless fiery mind wheels of death 3WRjor kadeen, the prevailer weenies and extra combat forever 3RRzirilan of the claw dragons and damage doublers 4:SymRG::SymRG:wort, the raidmother burn is now EDH viable 2WUkangee, aerie keeper birds 1UBRjeleva, nephalia's scourge spellslinger/storm
here are the mana costs of generals i no longer play: 2BR3BB3UBG4UB:SymUB::SymUB:2URRG3WWU2UU2GGUUBGG
In that situation, I'd say "Hey, player 3, don't kill my Trygon Predator and I'll use it to wipe out Player 1's mana rocks"
See where opportunism gets you then.
It would put the state of the game in the same place, only instead of player 1 sitting pretty, player 3 would be, as he can save his removal spell AND allow player 2 to keep destroying player 1's board.
Maybe if d0su realised that Vig needs to return to one of his deck boxes, you would.
It was seriously a janky deck, but I pissed people off and my group off when I proxied up his list.
I can't imagine any Momir Vig deck that is janky, it is still the best Simic general there is and facilitates the easiest combos with its pure card advantage. When I last opposed my friend playing MV it was among most consistent decks there was and it often took one person focusing on him or two to keep eye on his plays to stop it winning when we looked away from whatever creature combo there was.
For me, I'll say that rattlesnake cards were better earlier on No Mercy, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, those type things used to be better, but not being proactive is bad lately.
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Weiss Schwarz Sets
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
I still see Momir Vig from time to time, mostly from people looking to tutor up Palinchron or DEN + SyPrime shenanigans.
Once card I haven't seen in forever is Bogardan Hellkite. It used to see a lot of play in my groups, but I don't think people see it as cost effective any more.
I still see Momir Vig from time to time, mostly from people looking to tutor up Palinchron or DEN + SyPrime shenanigans.
Once card I haven't seen in forever is Bogardan Hellkite. It used to see a lot of play in my groups, but I don't think people see it as cost effective any more.
The spectrum of counterspells I play and see being played has shifted. We used to play all these big spells like Desertion or Gather Specimens. We decided that those cards weren't reliable and ate up too much mana. You now see cards like Negate and Dispel pop up.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I used to hate seeing him dropped by Momir. Along those lines, does anyone still play Darksteel Colossus?
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I can't think of a good reason why anybody would.
It got so very outclassed.
Or Vig? I haven't seen Momir Vig as a general in a couple years.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Yeah, that guy is quite the poster boy for used-to-be-goods. Since it's hard to improve it, at best it's usually 6 damage a turn to one person. Giant meh.
And I agree with the people saying akroma's pretty meh too.
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Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Me neither, but I was under the impression that he was still a decent Simic option for combos.
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Maybe if d0su realised that Vig needs to return to one of his deck boxes, you would.
It was seriously a janky deck, but I pissed people off and my group off when I proxied up his list.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI...I'm still running Darksteel Colossus in one deck.
Radha, Heir to Keld, Vorel of the Hull Clade, Kemba, Kha Regent, Vela the Night-Clad, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Barrin, Master Wizard, Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer, Patron of the Orochi, Oloro, Ageless Ascetic, Thraximundar, Roon of the Hidden Realm, Prossh, Skyraider of Kher, Marath, Will of the Wild, Teneb, the Harvester
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I just switched my last DS Colossus in my Azusa, Lost but Seeking with a much cooler (not necessarily better) Colossus of Akros!
Prophet of kruphix screams to me that Vig decks will become popular again, if only for a time, as it combines the two most important creatures from the Vig deck into one.
Primordial Sage has been outclassed like four or five times.
Mana Flare kinds of effects aren't used like they used to be.
3WR jor kadeen, the prevailer weenies and extra combat forever
3RR zirilan of the claw dragons and damage doublers
4:SymRG::SymRG: wort, the raidmother burn is now EDH viable
2WU kangee, aerie keeper birds
1UBR jeleva, nephalia's scourge spellslinger/storm
here are the mana costs of generals i no longer play: 2BR3BB3UBG4UB:SymUB::SymUB:2URRG3WWU2UU2GGUUBGG
3UWR numot, the devastator of [the spirit of edh]
It's come full circle here then. Disenchant, Naturalize, Nature's Claim, and Deglamer seem to be some of the best spot removal in my metagame.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Buyback in general has plummeted in usefulness, with the exception of forbid.
Currently 62/265 cards.
Woah there. Capsize is still an auto include in every blue deck of mine, alongside with Cyclonic Rift of course.
It would put the state of the game in the same place, only instead of player 1 sitting pretty, player 3 would be, as he can save his removal spell AND allow player 2 to keep destroying player 1's board.
Capsize is still great, but a lot of the other ones aren't as great as they used to be.
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I still reach for the ol' eye in W, R or even sometimes G decks, or some combination thereof. What have we got since? Staff of Nin?
Playtesting | Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Narset, Enlightened Master | Ephara, God of the Polis
Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty
I still play mind's eye in R and W too
I can't imagine any Momir Vig deck that is janky, it is still the best Simic general there is and facilitates the easiest combos with its pure card advantage. When I last opposed my friend playing MV it was among most consistent decks there was and it often took one person focusing on him or two to keep eye on his plays to stop it winning when we looked away from whatever creature combo there was.
For me, I'll say that rattlesnake cards were better earlier on No Mercy, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, those type things used to be better, but not being proactive is bad lately.
Main Decks
Diaochan, Iroas, God of Victory, Kaalia, Marton, Ulasht, Volrath,
Kaervek, Prossh, Titania
Amusing or Themed
Progenitus
Pauper Guildmages
Azorius Boros Dimir Golgari Gruul Izzet Korozda
Orzhov Rakdos Rix Maadi Selesyna Simic Skarrg Zameck
I also play Weiss Schwarz, Chaos, Vanguard and Wixoss.
Accel World, Angel Beats, Familiar of Zero, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Guilty Crown, Kill La Kill, Robotics;Notes, Sword Art Online.
Chaos Partners
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Iona, Kirishima, Kongou.
Dangan Ronpa: Asahina, Togami.
Freezing: Vibration: Chiffon, Satelizer.
Vanguard Clans Favoured
Angel Feather, Dark Irregulars, Genesis, Neonecter, Pale Moon, Shadow Paladins, Tachikaze.
Wixoss - Just trial decks for now!
Once card I haven't seen in forever is Bogardan Hellkite. It used to see a lot of play in my groups, but I don't think people see it as cost effective any more.
bogardan hellkite never makes the cut before siege-gang commander or inferno titan. If I'm already running both and still looking for more burn creatures I consider him.
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