MTG Salvation

I want to put together a 5C deck where Maze's End + the 10 guildgates would be one of the win conditions.

Am I correct in understanding that to win with Maze's End, I need 10 differently named Gates?

Are there any other cards in the game that could turn a permanent into a Gate?


Thanks,

--Evil

it's a very tough deck to win with, you need a lot of card draw, as well as cards like explore or even exploration to play more land.
get cards like sylvian scrying to fetch maze's end

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You could go the somewhat circuitous route of making one of the gates into a creature through one of green's many such effects, then copying it with Sakashima the Impostor. Not very effective, but still.

Has to be different names, as the card says. *EDIT* Whoops forgot Sakashima has a different name. Still way too clunky for my liking.

Best options to include are...

• Scapeshift
  
• Sylvan Scrying
  
• Crop Rotation
  
• Reap and Sow
  
• Expedition Map

And any other nonbasic land tutors I might have missed.

Realms Uncharted, although then you'd need a way of getting two of them back from the graveyard (Life from the Loam, Crucible of Worlds).

dont forget blacks tutors just because you can get any card doesnt mean you cant get a land

Scapeshift is really all you need, maybe a tutor to fetch it out.

There is a creature with an ETB effect that allow you to fetch gates: Gatecreeper Vine

Go with a Child of Alara build; he already plays well with lands since that's the one thing that doesn't die when he explodes.

Weathered Wayfarer is also a card you'll want to add also while a little unconventional perhaps Knight of the Reliquary is a card you'll want to play.

I so have been talking about building Child Lands.dek with Maze's End as the primary win-con.

Totally playing Sacred Ground and Terra Eternal to keep my lands safe, in addition to the standard Crucible of Worlds and Life from the Loam. I don't own an Exploration or Burgeoning, but I will play Azusa, Lost But Seeking and Oracle of Mul Daya too (with [c]Volrath's Stronghold to protect them!).

Totally agree'd on Knight of the Reliquary, and all the nonbasic land tutours (watch out for Price of Progress with this deck! Terravore is a strong enough beater for this deck too!

• exploration
  
• burgeoning

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(watch out for Price of Progress with this deck! Terravore is a strong enough beater for this deck too!)

hate hate hate Destructive Flow

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hate hate hate Destructive Flow

Ugh I hate that card so much. So trolly. But effective. Sacred Ground is enough to beat it, however. And also the reason to play small-but-efficient spells like Ray of Revelation.

Since you're necessarily playing 11 lands that come into play tapped, Amulet of Vigor might be worth it.

What commander would you use to get all 5 colors for this?

Sliver Overlord or Scion of the Ur-Dragon, to make tutoring a big thing?
Reaper King, for the sake of control? (You've got 52 options for scarecrows if you include changelings. More if you add clones.)

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Since you're necessarily playing 11 lands that come into play tapped, Amulet of Vigor might be worth it.

Ya, I was already planning on Amulet of Vigor. Planning to also run Trinket Mage to search for it and/or Expedition Map.

Also playing Thiespian's Stage and Vesuva to copy Maze's End and "accelerate" and/or mana fix.

--Evil

Rings of Brighthearth seems good.

Wargate has to have a slot in this deck. It even has gate right there in it's name.

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What commander would you use to get all 5 colors for this?

Sliver Overlord or Scion of the Ur-Dragon, to make tutoring a big thing?
Reaper King, for the sake of control? (You've got 52 options for scarecrows if you include changelings. More if you add clones.)

I'd imagine Child of Alara being the best for this.

Here's my Progenitus planewalker alternative win condiitions with Maze's End/10 guildgate win con.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10153465#post10153465

Ramp to 10+ lands and Scapeshift; it's the only way you're going to be winning with Maze's End any time soon.

If i'm not mistaken, don't you have to use Maze's End on the 10th land to win the game via that process given its wording? If so that could cause some serious complications when it comes to sealing the game away.

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If i'm not mistaken, don't you have to use Maze's End on the 10th land to win the game via that process given its wording? If so that could cause some serious complications when it comes to sealing the game away.

You have to activate Maze's End in order to win. If there are 10 differently named Gates in play on resolution of Maze's End's ability, you win. It doesn't matter if the resolution of the ability put the 10th Gate into play or not.

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You have to activate Maze's End in order to win. If there are 10 differently named Gates in play on resolution of Maze's End's ability, you win. It doesn't matter if the resolution of the ability put the 10th Gate into play or not.

Maze's End will be in your hand when you use it to tutor for the 10th gate.

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Maze's End will be in your hand when you use it to tutor for the 10th gate.

Um... yes? So?

No matter how you achieve you win with Maze's End, it will be in your hand when you win. You win as part of the resolution of Maze's End's ability, and part of the cost of activating that ability is to bounce Maze's End.

I suppose you could respond to Maze's ability with something like Budoka Gardener to end the game with a Maze's End in play, but that's unnecessary.