My roomate ordered a Moat just shy of two weeks now as they were jumping and he found a price that was a little bit high for the old price but low for the new one. The seller had a few thousand sales with something like 98% positive feedback. It arrived today and within about a minute of inspecting it, I noticed it was a fake. I went up to my room and fetched my own Moat and laid them side by side, the color was super off on his, the thickness was wrong, and it was glossy and reflected light.
My roomate, was happy I could identify it for him but I think he really wanted that Moat rather than his money back which he is going to attempt through TCGPlayer.
That's rough. I suspect I've gotten at least one or two fakes over the years given the quantity of cards I get online. I've either been very lucky and that hasn't happened, or they've all been good enough to not catch my attention. I've checked a few things, mostly the high value stuff, and it's all passed the basic checks.
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My roomate ordered a Moat just shy of two weeks now as they were jumping and he found a price that was a little bit high for the old price but low for the new one. The seller had a few thousand sales with something like 98% positive feedback. It arrived today and within about a minute of inspecting it, I noticed it was a fake. I went up to my room and fetched my own Moat and laid them side by side, the color was super off on his, the thickness was wrong, and it was glossy and reflected light.
My roomate, was happy I could identify it for him but I think he really wanted that Moat rather than his money back which he is going to attempt through TCGPlayer.
That really sucks to hear, but it's the unfortunately reality we live in today. As long as Wizards continues to refuse to abolish the Reserved list, counterfeits are going to come in to exploit the dwindling supply.
As much as Wizards believes the game will collapse if they abolish the Reserved list, the ironic thing is that not abolishing it will likely be the thing that kills the game. The fakes are getting better and it's only a matter of time before they become virtually identical to real cards.
That really sucks to hear, but it's the unfortunately reality we live in today. As long as Wizards continues to refuse to abolish the Reserved list, counterfeits are going to come in to exploit the dwindling supply.
As much as Wizards believes the game will collapse if they abolish the Reserved list, the ironic thing is that not abolishing it will likely be the thing that kills the game. The fakes are getting better and it's only a matter of time before they become virtually identical to real cards.
There are pros and cons to the reserve list. It is a little awkward when selective people in a meta have access to those tools but others do not. Its one of those things where its better if everyone in a meta or nobody in a meta has them. Personally, I think the flavor of a lot of these old cards is really cool which is part of the unfortunate part of their super high prices. As someone who now owns a good portion of the EDH playable reserve list cards, I now sort of like it yet at the same time I dont like that this game has such a high entry cost especially if you want to play with these old cards.
I have always bought cards to play with them so it does not really matter what they are worth because I got my copies to play with them. At the same time if they got mass reproduced suddenly and their costs dropped to a fraction of what they are now I feel like I would still be a little sad. I look at price jumps and it for some reason makes me happy I own them already even though I know I would probably never sell my copies.
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I have officially moved to MTGNexus. I just wanted to let people know as my response time to salvation decks being bumped is very hit or miss.
I also have moments of relief when I see that cards I already own have spiked in price. That being said I truly believe that the secondary market prices are out of control and unhealthy. I actually hope that current prices are unsustainable because while I have no plans to sell my reserve lists cards I do feel some pressure knowing that they are worth so much. A good bit of my collection should be in a safe deposit box and not sleeved up in my basement.
This format isn't as negatively impacted because most EDH players don't consider is a cutthroat format where their deck must be 100% optimized. But other formats like Legacy and Vintage are actually really, really fun when played at a highly competitive level. Most players will never get to experience how much of a blast these formats can be and that's too bad.
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There are pros and cons to the reserve list. It is a little awkward when selective people in a meta have access to those tools but others do not. Its one of those things where its better if everyone in a meta or nobody in a meta has them. Personally, I think the flavor of a lot of these old cards is really cool which is part of the unfortunate part of their super high prices. As someone who now owns a good portion of the EDH playable reserve list cards, I now sort of like it yet at the same time I dont like that this game has such a high entry cost especially if you want to play with these old cards.
I have always bought cards to play with them so it does not really matter what they are worth because I got my copies to play with them. At the same time if they got mass reproduced suddenly and their costs dropped to a fraction of what they are now I feel like I would still be a little sad. I look at price jumps and it for some reason makes me happy I own them already even though I know I would probably never sell my copies.
Even if Wizards did mass reprint Reserved list cards (which they wouldn't do, it would be a Modern/Eternal Masters style of print run), there is no guarantee that the older copies would lose most of their value. Birds is a great example of how mass reprints don't devalue the older prints. Alpha Birds is substantially more expensive than M12 Birds for example.
There are pros and cons to the reserve list. It is a little awkward when selective people in a meta have access to those tools but others do not. Its one of those things where its better if everyone in a meta or nobody in a meta has them. Personally, I think the flavor of a lot of these old cards is really cool which is part of the unfortunate part of their super high prices. As someone who now owns a good portion of the EDH playable reserve list cards, I now sort of like it yet at the same time I dont like that this game has such a high entry cost especially if you want to play with these old cards.
I have always bought cards to play with them so it does not really matter what they are worth because I got my copies to play with them. At the same time if they got mass reproduced suddenly and their costs dropped to a fraction of what they are now I feel like I would still be a little sad. I look at price jumps and it for some reason makes me happy I own them already even though I know I would probably never sell my copies.
Even if Wizards did mass reprint Reserved list cards (which they wouldn't do, it would be a Modern/Eternal Masters style of print run), there is no guarantee that the older copies would lose most of their value. Birds is a great example of how mass reprints don't devalue the older prints. Alpha Birds is substantially more expensive than M12 Birds for example.
You can also look at the recent p3k prints though. And those older versions did lose some value.
XHD only had a judge printing, and dropped to $90 on the old versions. Like, the old versions still hold 3x value over the new ones, but they did take a hit. It was at least 120 in 2014, and just prior to the reprinting I know it was higher than that. So that's at least a 25% hit on cost, if not more.
Lesser played cards, that got massive reprinting in the Commander products, like Hua Tuo took a huge hit too. In 2014 it was at 55, and now the old ones are only 25. The old ones still hold huge value over the new printings (25 cents), but again, took more than a 50% drop on their price.
There are pros and cons to the reserve list. It is a little awkward when selective people in a meta have access to those tools but others do not. Its one of those things where its better if everyone in a meta or nobody in a meta has them. Personally, I think the flavor of a lot of these old cards is really cool which is part of the unfortunate part of their super high prices. As someone who now owns a good portion of the EDH playable reserve list cards, I now sort of like it yet at the same time I dont like that this game has such a high entry cost especially if you want to play with these old cards.
I have always bought cards to play with them so it does not really matter what they are worth because I got my copies to play with them. At the same time if they got mass reproduced suddenly and their costs dropped to a fraction of what they are now I feel like I would still be a little sad. I look at price jumps and it for some reason makes me happy I own them already even though I know I would probably never sell my copies.
Even if Wizards did mass reprint Reserved list cards (which they wouldn't do, it would be a Modern/Eternal Masters style of print run), there is no guarantee that the older copies would lose most of their value. Birds is a great example of how mass reprints don't devalue the older prints. Alpha Birds is substantially more expensive than M12 Birds for example.
You can also look at the recent p3k prints though. And those older versions did lose some value.
XHD only had a judge printing, and dropped to $90 on the old versions. Like, the old versions still hold 3x value over the new ones, but they did take a hit. It was at least 120 in 2014, and just prior to the reprinting I know it was higher than that. So that's at least a 25% hit on cost, if not more.
Lesser played cards, that got massive reprinting in the Commander products, like Hua Tuo took a huge hit too. In 2014 it was at 55, and now the old ones are only 25. The old ones still hold huge value over the new printings (25 cents), but again, took more than a 50% drop on their price.
My understanding is that English P3K's print run is lower than Alpha, and that total P3K (all languages combined) is well below Beta. Its price is purely driven on scarcity. I think you will see a different pattern on the price of originals based on their original circumstances.
Think of it this way:
Print a new Tundra? Revised might take a hit since it was the previous cheap version (debatable though), but I would expect alpha, beta, and FBB to hold steady as desirable printings of a very in-demand card. Note that we have a recent comparison point as well in very in-demand cards like Force of Will haven't actually taken a hit from being reprinted -- and that card was an uncommon in a set with a reasonable distribution.
Print a new Riding the Dilu Horse? The original will still command a premium over the reprint, but its price is definitely going to crash. The demand on this is so limited -- fringe EDH play and super-fringe Legacy play. The only driving pressure on its price in the market is scarcity of supply. A good example comparison point here is Lu Xun, Scholar General which took a hard hit on its reprint (admittedly, these EDH reprints are worse for the market than a real set reprint would be).
But the thing about ABUR cards is that the main driving force is normally real demand. The original core sets are generally probably good enough in distribution to be stable. People want Alpha Shivan Dragon even though there are cheap ones. If a card from these sets drops from reprint, I'd expect it to be something like Sinkhole or Psionic Blast, not dual lands or the like. I also think that most of the later reserved list cards (Ice Age and later) are probably reasonably safe from crash, with a few notable exceptions created by buyouts (I'm thinking of Gaea's Cradle and City of Traitors). The real danger for market crash on older cards in my estimation are the cards in Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Legends. We know from Mishra's Factory that these prices can sustain hits on the mid price cards, and hell, the "pimp" options (like winter factory) are still good money. But I don't know that Drop of Honey, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Candelabra of Tawnos, Moat or others really have the demand to sustain such prices even as pimping options. Maybe Drop survives since it's below a hundred, but these cards haven't been tempered by cheaper options existing (refer to Revised Duals acting as a stabilizing buffer on the demand for alpha/beta -- people don't buy the expensive versions unless they specifically want and demand them; no such buffer exists on these cards).
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I've decided to get a piece of the action and slowly buy out a card on the Reserve List. Today, I received 3 Mana Vortexs in the mail, so it there was a sudden spike in their price, you can blame me for it.
I've decided to get a piece of the action and slowly buy out a card on the Reserve List. Today, I received 3 Mana Vortexs in the mail, so it there was a sudden spike in their price, you can blame me for it.
I did really mediocre in the two prereleases I attended over the weekend (2-2 and 2-2-1), but I have rarely had as much fun at a prerelease than I did at those ones. Madness works much better in Eldritch Moon than it did in Shadows alone, due to the presence of better enablers, and the new werewolves are much more dependable, not to mention better pre-flip, than the ones from the first set. The format was a lot slower than some others in the recent past, which I at least found more fun and interesting. I saw some great things and was able to pull a few fun stunts myself, and just overall had a great time.
My sealed pool was the worst in recent memory both in quality and price. I managed to squeeze a 3-1 out of it but between my prize packs and pool I'm lucky if I got $5.
I know it's statistics at work, but across 70+ Prerelease Kits that were opened through the weekend, I've not seen a single Emrakul being pulled (Foil or not). Didn't hear any being opened from the prize packs either, so it felt rather strange the "big bad" of the block was more or less absent from the prerelease.
Other than that, EMN was the typical Prerelease experience for me, some pods had great pulls, others not as well. I think my highlight of that weekend was opening a foil Mind's Dilation out of the single pack I won in the first pod since I didn't fare well in that pod. Yeah, it has not much value, but my EDH decks want foils and that saved me the trouble of finding one.
Between the two prereleases I did, I saw three Emrakuls, one as a foil promo, the other two from packs. I also saw two Lilianas, and had the misfortune of going against a guy who played her and got her out turn three in one match. That was over very quickly, as I didn't draw into any flyers, and his zombie blockers kept her safe until he did her ultimate.
As I remember many people talking about DnD on here in the past, I felt this was the place to go for a Skyship Weatherlight like D&D game. (AKA a DnD campaign based around a planeshifting Ship and the Crew who the players would be)
So my playgroup for EDH just decided to play DnD as a group finally and I am currently going to DM and as several of them have never played before what are people's thoughts on using a ship like the Weatherlight to travel around and do what DnD groups do best: Mess things up?
I would be making them start off not on the ship but rather have to meet the crew somehow and have a NPC or 2 on the ship to help shore things up with balancing but basically make them stay with the ship majority of the time.
Im currently going to use 5E and allow homebrews so long as I clear them in advance. So currently I'd love any thoughts people have.
As I remember many people talking about DnD on here in the past, I felt this was the place to go for a Skyship Weatherlight like D&D game. (AKA a DnD campaign based around a planeshifting Ship and the Crew who the players would be)
So my playgroup for EDH just decided to play DnD as a group finally and I am currently going to DM and as several of them have never played before what are people's thoughts on using a ship like the Weatherlight to travel around and do what DnD groups do best: Mess things up?
I would be making them start off not on the ship but rather have to meet the crew somehow and have a NPC or 2 on the ship to help shore things up with balancing but basically make them stay with the ship majority of the time.
Im currently going to use 5E and allow homebrews so long as I clear them in advance. So currently I'd love any thoughts people have.
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Sounds like Spelljammer. You'll have to adjust some things as the last Spelljammer stuff was 2nd edition I think, but it still works. Currently my group is doing a 3.5 game that uses them.
I've still got to find a way to alter Eldritch Evolution to something I like more. The current art creeps me out and I'm not keen on using it like that. >.<
I've still got to find a way to alter Eldritch Evolution to something I like more. The current art creeps me out and I'm not keen on using it like that. >.<
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That really sucks to hear, but it's the unfortunately reality we live in today. As long as Wizards continues to refuse to abolish the Reserved list, counterfeits are going to come in to exploit the dwindling supply.
As much as Wizards believes the game will collapse if they abolish the Reserved list, the ironic thing is that not abolishing it will likely be the thing that kills the game. The fakes are getting better and it's only a matter of time before they become virtually identical to real cards.
There are pros and cons to the reserve list. It is a little awkward when selective people in a meta have access to those tools but others do not. Its one of those things where its better if everyone in a meta or nobody in a meta has them. Personally, I think the flavor of a lot of these old cards is really cool which is part of the unfortunate part of their super high prices. As someone who now owns a good portion of the EDH playable reserve list cards, I now sort of like it yet at the same time I dont like that this game has such a high entry cost especially if you want to play with these old cards.
I have always bought cards to play with them so it does not really matter what they are worth because I got my copies to play with them. At the same time if they got mass reproduced suddenly and their costs dropped to a fraction of what they are now I feel like I would still be a little sad. I look at price jumps and it for some reason makes me happy I own them already even though I know I would probably never sell my copies.
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This format isn't as negatively impacted because most EDH players don't consider is a cutthroat format where their deck must be 100% optimized. But other formats like Legacy and Vintage are actually really, really fun when played at a highly competitive level. Most players will never get to experience how much of a blast these formats can be and that's too bad.
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RGThromok tokens/goodstuff | UB Grimgrin zombie tribal
GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
Even if Wizards did mass reprint Reserved list cards (which they wouldn't do, it would be a Modern/Eternal Masters style of print run), there is no guarantee that the older copies would lose most of their value. Birds is a great example of how mass reprints don't devalue the older prints. Alpha Birds is substantially more expensive than M12 Birds for example.
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StaffXHD only had a judge printing, and dropped to $90 on the old versions. Like, the old versions still hold 3x value over the new ones, but they did take a hit. It was at least 120 in 2014, and just prior to the reprinting I know it was higher than that. So that's at least a 25% hit on cost, if not more.
Lesser played cards, that got massive reprinting in the Commander products, like Hua Tuo took a huge hit too. In 2014 it was at 55, and now the old ones are only 25. The old ones still hold huge value over the new printings (25 cents), but again, took more than a 50% drop on their price.
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Think of it this way:
Print a new Tundra? Revised might take a hit since it was the previous cheap version (debatable though), but I would expect alpha, beta, and FBB to hold steady as desirable printings of a very in-demand card. Note that we have a recent comparison point as well in very in-demand cards like Force of Will haven't actually taken a hit from being reprinted -- and that card was an uncommon in a set with a reasonable distribution.
Print a new Riding the Dilu Horse? The original will still command a premium over the reprint, but its price is definitely going to crash. The demand on this is so limited -- fringe EDH play and super-fringe Legacy play. The only driving pressure on its price in the market is scarcity of supply. A good example comparison point here is Lu Xun, Scholar General which took a hard hit on its reprint (admittedly, these EDH reprints are worse for the market than a real set reprint would be).
But the thing about ABUR cards is that the main driving force is normally real demand. The original core sets are generally probably good enough in distribution to be stable. People want Alpha Shivan Dragon even though there are cheap ones. If a card from these sets drops from reprint, I'd expect it to be something like Sinkhole or Psionic Blast, not dual lands or the like. I also think that most of the later reserved list cards (Ice Age and later) are probably reasonably safe from crash, with a few notable exceptions created by buyouts (I'm thinking of Gaea's Cradle and City of Traitors). The real danger for market crash on older cards in my estimation are the cards in Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Legends. We know from Mishra's Factory that these prices can sustain hits on the mid price cards, and hell, the "pimp" options (like winter factory) are still good money. But I don't know that Drop of Honey, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Candelabra of Tawnos, Moat or others really have the demand to sustain such prices even as pimping options. Maybe Drop survives since it's below a hundred, but these cards haven't been tempered by cheaper options existing (refer to Revised Duals acting as a stabilizing buffer on the demand for alpha/beta -- people don't buy the expensive versions unless they specifically want and demand them; no such buffer exists on these cards).
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His EMN packs carried 3 Nebelgast Heralds and 3 Ingenious Skaabs, with a Cryptbreaker, Graf Harvest a murder and other quality black and blue removal cards. I know he played probably only a single filler card. His prize packs contained 2 Grim Flayers (1 foil) 1 Deploy the Gatewatch, 1 Emrakul, 1 Eldritch Evolution, 1 Selfless Spirit in foil, and 2 Hanweir Battlements (1 foil)
His promo foil was Ishkanah.
He cleaned house without even losing a single game. AND he got the nuts out of 10 prize packs.
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Other than that, EMN was the typical Prerelease experience for me, some pods had great pulls, others not as well. I think my highlight of that weekend was opening a foil Mind's Dilation out of the single pack I won in the first pod since I didn't fare well in that pod. Yeah, it has not much value, but my EDH decks want foils and that saved me the trouble of finding one.
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StaffGot a liliana in the prize packs, as well as Thalia.
Pre-release promo was the return all lands card, so I need to see how it feels slotting into my Trostani deck.
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So my playgroup for EDH just decided to play DnD as a group finally and I am currently going to DM and as several of them have never played before what are people's thoughts on using a ship like the Weatherlight to travel around and do what DnD groups do best: Mess things up?
I would be making them start off not on the ship but rather have to meet the crew somehow and have a NPC or 2 on the ship to help shore things up with balancing but basically make them stay with the ship majority of the time.
Im currently going to use 5E and allow homebrews so long as I clear them in advance. So currently I'd love any thoughts people have.
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