Turn 2:
....everyone freaks out because they don't have a counter or removal for Rafiq OR for the mox diamond. They do get blockers down, however.
Sliver Queen starts talking about how he's going to kill me and this that and the other - so I start talking about how he's going to die. Of course, he thinks I am kidding...
"I have a 2/2 blocker...ha!"
"...exalted, it's a 6/4 man..."
"....."
No one really got into the action and when I dropped Rot Wolf + Rancor turn 3 everyone had enough and the archenemy game began. Was definitely entertaining and though I was only able to take out one other player with general damage before I got crippled/killed off.
note: this is why people hate voltron generals. You knock someone out super fast...then you get maybe 1-2 more people and then the remaining players deal with you rather quickly....though I think if we only played 4, I could have figured things out without too much trouble...the extra players made a big difference.
Turn 2:
....everyone freaks out because they don't have a counter or removal for Rafiq OR for the mox diamond. They do get blockers down, however.
Sliver Queen starts talking about how he's going to kill me and this that and the other - so I start talking about how he's going to die. Of course, he thinks I am kidding...
"I have a 2/2 blocker...ha!"
"...exalted, it's a 6/4 man..."
"....."
No one really got into the action and when I dropped Rot Wolf + Rancor turn 3 everyone had enough and the archenemy game began. Was definitely entertaining and though I was only able to take out one other player with general damage before I got crippled/killed off.
note: this is why people hate voltron generals. You knock someone out super fast...then you get maybe 1-2 more people and then the remaining players deal with you rather quickly....though I think if we only played 4, I could have figured things out without too much trouble...the extra players made a big difference.
How did you cast Rafiq off of two mana? Other than that, it definitely is an interesting build for Rafiq, Putefrex is quite interesting since he can just come out of nowhere and kill someone with Rafiq on the board.
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How did you cast Rafiq off of two mana? Other than that, it definitely is an interesting build for Rafiq, Putefrex is quite interesting since he can just come out of nowhere and kill someone with Rafiq on the board.
On my turn 3, I drop Mana Flare and pass. The new guy (whose name is Steve) says, "This is gonna get really stupid really quickly." I was like, Yeah, that's the idea! But little did I know... on his turn, Steve untaps and casts Incoming!. We all kind of look around at each other, and instead of the normal scooping response, it seems like we're all thinking, why not?
So everyone starts dumping their decks onto the table, and while we're still seaching, I say, "Oh, wassup Valakut" so everyone knows I'm not messing around. I end up getting Valakut, 36 Mountains, Furnace of Rath, Repercussion, Shard Phoenix, Bloodfire Colossus, and Oblivion Stone. Everyone else gets lots and LOTS of triggers. Khemba slaps an Arrest on my Shard Phoenix. We do the APNAP thing (my Valakut Triggers are near the bottom of the stack), and I respond by nuking the board with Bloodfire Colossus forthousands of damage, but the Mirri player responds by using Wickerbough Elder to disenchant my Repercussion. In response, I tap out and Comet Storm the table for a a couple hundred damage.
4 player game, stonebrow (me), numot, squee, and shizuko.
Everyone is sitting pretty around 35-40 life and squee has 8 general dmg on him and numot has 6.
Turn 5
Shizuko player has Vernal Bloom in play.
Have Stonebrow, Krosan Hero in play w/ Bear Umbra attached and Gratuitous Violence in play.
Attack Squee w/ Stonebrow hitting him for 16 gen dmg killing him.
Cast Seize the Day, hit Numot for 16 gen dmg killing him as well.
Flashback the Seize the Day and hit Shizuko for 16, he draws and scoops when he fails to topdeck.
Good times
Wouldn't it be 16/20/24? He gets that +2/+2 whenever he attacks.
I was playing against a few friends with my Intet, the Dreamer deck. I had a target painted on my head when I played a Kederekt Laviathan, pretty much reseting our already four hour game.
I then cast Bear Umbra on my Shard Phoenix and attacked. All my lands untapped. I then played a Banefire for 12 to his face, 24, 48, 96, 192, 384 damage.
I then got demolished by the other three players, but I was still gleaming with pride.
Not really a crazy play but it seemed pretty awesome at that time. In a 2 player game, I kept a slow hand while my opponent had an explosive start with Swamp, Dark Ritual, Necropotence, pay 3 life, go. Duly impressed, I went land, Pithing Needle (naming Necropotence), go. My opponent paid a huge amount of life and failed to find any of his artifact removals (he was playing black) and conceded on Turn 2.
Not really a crazy play but it seemed pretty awesome at that time. In a 2 player game, I kept a slow hand while my opponent had an explosive start with Swamp, Dark Ritual, Necropotence, pay 3 life, go. Duly impressed, I went land, Pithing Needle (naming Necropotence), go. My opponent paid a huge amount of life and failed to find any of his artifact removals (he was playing black) and conceded on Turn 2.
Saw a great game tonight on MTGO. Niv player has Mindmoil out with Psychosis Crawler, plays Copy Enchantment targeting Mindmoil, then next turn plays Train of Thought replicated 5 times. He has 5 cards in hand when he started, and wrecked the table.
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Not really a crazy play but it seemed pretty awesome at that time. In a 2 player game, I kept a slow hand while my opponent had an explosive start with Swamp, Dark Ritual, Necropotence, pay 3 life, go. Duly impressed, I went land, Pithing Needle (naming Necropotence), go. My opponent paid a huge amount of life and failed to find any of his artifact removals (he was playing black) and conceded on Turn 2.
Awesome way to put your opponent in a bind! Gamble for a solution or lose. Either way, it's a win win for you if your opponent doesn't have a solution currently in his hand!.
He taps out for Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker and destroys my sword, at eot I pop the grove to fetch an Animate Dead, start turn, get token, cast Diabolical Intent to get Entomb, cast entomb to get Sun Titan into grave yard. Animate the titan, pull back the sword, equip sword and greaves, swing at bolas and my friend just scoops.
We had a 3-player game: Rafiq vs Omnath vs a third player, who got killed by the Omnath player. So it was a 1vs1 and Omnath had Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre on the board, which seems very frightening. One attack and Rafiq would be down. So, in the last turn of the Rafiq player, he attacked with Rafiq and Omnath blocked with Ulamog. Omnaths cast Snakeform on Ulamog and Epic Proportions on Rafiq. He killed Ulamog and next turn he won the game. Very epic.
How did he kill Ulamog? Ulamog is still indestructible, even after Snakeform.
(Unless I'm misinterpreting the rule for it?)
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700.4a Although the text "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability, actually being indestructible is neither an ability nor a characteristic. It's just something that's true about a permanent.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
How did he kill Ulamog? Ulamog is still indestructible, even after Snakeform.
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700.4a Although the text "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability, actually being indestructible is neither an ability nor a characteristic. It's just something that's true about a permanent.
Wrong! You quoted it yourself: "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability and snakeform removes all abilities...
Buuuut! If something would make Ulamog indestructible, say Spearbreaker Behemoth, then Ulamog being indestructible would not be removed by Snakeform. Being indestructible is not a static ability such as flying, trample, etc. Being indestructible is neither a measurable characteristic such as: "This permanent is a creature" or "This permanent is red". Being indestructible is simply something that is true about a permanent.
Conclusion: Ulamog will lose its indestructability by snakeform. Ulamog is indestructible only because there is an ability that grants him indestructibility. And that ability can be removed.
Wrong! You quoted it yourself: "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability and snakeform removes all abilities...
Buuuut! If something would make Ulamog indestructible, say Spearbreaker Behemoth, then Ulamog being indestructible would not be removed by Snakeform. Being indestructible is not a static ability such as flying, trample, etc. Being indestructible is neither a measurable characteristic such as: "This permanent is a creature" or "This permanent is red". Being indestructible is simply something that is true about a permanent.
Conclusion: Ulamog will lose its indestructability by snakeform. Ulamog is indestructible only because there is an ability that grants him indestructibility. And that ability can be removed.
It's confusing though. From MTGSal's Cranial Insertion:
Q: Will Ovinize make Marit Lage feel sheepish, or will he/she/it still be indestructible?
A: A little from column A, a little from column B. Marit Lage will be a lil 0/1 black sheep Avatar, but will still be indestructible.
Remember that "indestructible" is not an ability; it's just an aspect of the object. "This card is indestructible" is an ability that gives "this card" that aspect, but that's an ability that Marit Lage doesn't have, no matter what the shiny token card says.
It's confusing though. From MTGSal's Cranial Insertion:
That quote is outdated. The oracle text for Dark depths has changed. Instead of "put an indestructible legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying named Marit Lage into play" , as printed on the card, it now has you "put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and "This creature is indestructible" named Marit Lage onto the battlefield". Because the indestrucabilty is now granted by an ability of the token, it will lose it if it is sheeped/snaked.
Edit: Just looked, and this was a change made in Jan 2010
The Marit Lage token that this card creates is inherently legendary, is inherently black, and inherently has flying, because all of those are characteristics. If you copy the token with Sakashima the Impostor, for example, Sakashima will gain those characteristics too. However, being indestructible isn't a characteristic; it's just something true about the token. That Sakashima will not be indestructible. This is wildly counterintuitive, especially since the Marit Lage tokens we printed to go along with Dark Depths say "This creature is indestructible" right on them! The determination is that this functionality loophole is an unintended oversight, and it's being corrected.
Nothing too wild, but I quite enjoyed destroying a shrouded creature with a targeted ability. The creature may or may not have been a 0/0 Germ token made ridiculously large by its Bonehoard with Lightning Greaves.
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That quote is outdated. The oracle text for Dark depths has changed. Instead of "put an indestructible legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying named Marit Lage into play" , as printed on the card, it now has you "put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and "This creature is indestructible" named Marit Lage onto the battlefield". Because the indestrucabilty is now granted by an ability of the token, it will lose it if it is sheeped/snaked.
Edit: Just looked, and this was a change made in Jan 2010
OK, cool. Yeah it never made sense, so I'm glad they fixed it.
Wrong! You quoted it yourself: "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability and snakeform removes all abilities...
Buuuut! If something would make Ulamog indestructible, say Spearbreaker Behemoth, then Ulamog being indestructible would not be removed by Snakeform. Being indestructible is not a static ability such as flying, trample, etc. Being indestructible is neither a measurable characteristic such as: "This permanent is a creature" or "This permanent is red". Being indestructible is simply something that is true about a permanent.
Conclusion: Ulamog will lose its indestructability by snakeform. Ulamog is indestructible only because there is an ability that grants him indestructibility. And that ability can be removed.
Yeah, the first line is what made me unsure. I also wasn't entirely sure if "[This permanent] is indestructible" had any rules meaning, or if it was just pointing out "something that's true about a permanent." I guess I was thrown off by the old Marit Lage example.
But thanks for being overly specific as if I can't comprehend the rules or something.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Probably not a "crazy" play, but an incredibly effective one was casting phyrexian revoker naming necropotence when my opponent had one out and no removal in hand.
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Next: WR Equipped soldiers stompy
Next: Sliver Queen
Next: Rosheem Meantor
Me: Rafiq of the Many (last)
Turn 1: not much action until Rosheen, who drops Eladamri's Vineyard.
My turn 1: tundra, mox diamond, pitch a fetch, Rafiq.
Turn 2:
....everyone freaks out because they don't have a counter or removal for Rafiq OR for the mox diamond. They do get blockers down, however.
Sliver Queen starts talking about how he's going to kill me and this that and the other - so I start talking about how he's going to die. Of course, he thinks I am kidding...
Rosheen plays Shizuko, Caller of Autumn...
My turn - upkeep wordly tutor, get putrefax...draw the card...and liquify sliver queen.
"I have a 2/2 blocker...ha!"
"...exalted, it's a 6/4 man..."
"....."
No one really got into the action and when I dropped Rot Wolf + Rancor turn 3 everyone had enough and the archenemy game began. Was definitely entertaining and though I was only able to take out one other player with general damage before I got crippled/killed off.
note: this is why people hate voltron generals. You knock someone out super fast...then you get maybe 1-2 more people and then the remaining players deal with you rather quickly....though I think if we only played 4, I could have figured things out without too much trouble...the extra players made a big difference.
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How did you cast Rafiq off of two mana? Other than that, it definitely is an interesting build for Rafiq, Putefrex is quite interesting since he can just come out of nowhere and kill someone with Rafiq on the board.
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On my turn 3, I drop Mana Flare and pass. The new guy (whose name is Steve) says, "This is gonna get really stupid really quickly." I was like, Yeah, that's the idea! But little did I know... on his turn, Steve untaps and casts Incoming!. We all kind of look around at each other, and instead of the normal scooping response, it seems like we're all thinking, why not?
So everyone starts dumping their decks onto the table, and while we're still seaching, I say, "Oh, wassup Valakut" so everyone knows I'm not messing around. I end up getting Valakut, 36 Mountains, Furnace of Rath, Repercussion, Shard Phoenix, Bloodfire Colossus, and Oblivion Stone. Everyone else gets lots and LOTS of triggers. Khemba slaps an Arrest on my Shard Phoenix. We do the APNAP thing (my Valakut Triggers are near the bottom of the stack), and I respond by nuking the board with Bloodfire Colossus forthousands of damage, but the Mirri player responds by using Wickerbough Elder to disenchant my Repercussion. In response, I tap out and Comet Storm the table for a a couple hundred damage.
It was the longest short game ever.
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Ah for whatever reason I was thinking Eldarami's Vineyard was Gaea's Touch which was why I was confused as to where the other two mana came from.
Everyone is sitting pretty around 35-40 life and squee has 8 general dmg on him and numot has 6.
Turn 5
Shizuko player has Vernal Bloom in play.
Have Stonebrow, Krosan Hero in play w/ Bear Umbra attached and Gratuitous Violence in play.
Attack Squee w/ Stonebrow hitting him for 16 gen dmg killing him.
Cast Seize the Day, hit Numot for 16 gen dmg killing him as well.
Flashback the Seize the Day and hit Shizuko for 16. Drop Darksteel Plate and equip. He draws and scoops when he fails to topdeck.
Good times
Wouldn't it be 16/20/24? He gets that +2/+2 whenever he attacks.
Well I'll be a monkeys uncle... I guess I missed that and no one bothered to correct me
Fast forward two turns to people setting up again. One of my opponents had a Flame Servant and Mana Reflection and a Naya fatties. I had a Shard Phoenix and 13 mana showing. I cast a kicked Rite of Replication, targeting the Flame Servant.
I then cast Bear Umbra on my Shard Phoenix and attacked. All my lands untapped. I then played a Banefire for 12 to his face, 24, 48, 96, 192, 384 damage.
I then got demolished by the other three players, but I was still gleaming with pride.
3 life is huge?
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I think he meant in response to the Pithing Needle.
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He taps out for Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker and destroys my sword, at eot I pop the grove to fetch an Animate Dead, start turn, get token, cast Diabolical Intent to get Entomb, cast entomb to get Sun Titan into grave yard. Animate the titan, pull back the sword, equip sword and greaves, swing at bolas and my friend just scoops.
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No, but the 30+ life that he paid in response to the Pithing Needle is huge.
How did he kill Ulamog? Ulamog is still indestructible, even after Snakeform.
(Unless I'm misinterpreting the rule for it?)
Wrong! You quoted it yourself: "[This permanent] is indestructible" is an ability and snakeform removes all abilities...
Buuuut! If something would make Ulamog indestructible, say Spearbreaker Behemoth, then Ulamog being indestructible would not be removed by Snakeform. Being indestructible is not a static ability such as flying, trample, etc. Being indestructible is neither a measurable characteristic such as: "This permanent is a creature" or "This permanent is red". Being indestructible is simply something that is true about a permanent.
Conclusion: Ulamog will lose its indestructability by snakeform. Ulamog is indestructible only because there is an ability that grants him indestructibility. And that ability can be removed.
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It's confusing though. From MTGSal's Cranial Insertion:
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That quote is outdated. The oracle text for Dark depths has changed. Instead of "put an indestructible legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying named Marit Lage into play" , as printed on the card, it now has you "put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and "This creature is indestructible" named Marit Lage onto the battlefield". Because the indestrucabilty is now granted by an ability of the token, it will lose it if it is sheeped/snaked.
Edit: Just looked, and this was a change made in Jan 2010
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OK, cool. Yeah it never made sense, so I'm glad they fixed it.
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Yeah, the first line is what made me unsure. I also wasn't entirely sure if "[This permanent] is indestructible" had any rules meaning, or if it was just pointing out "something that's true about a permanent." I guess I was thrown off by the old Marit Lage example.
But thanks for being overly specific as if I can't comprehend the rules or something.
Anyway, short story time!
I got my friend (who was playing Jaya Ballard, Task Mage) to scoop on turn 3.
Turn 2: Umezawa's Jitte
Turn 3: Soltari Priest
Apparently he had a poor hand.