People will buy a box regardless of the Promo or not. A guy at my LGS bought a case. (I think that is six boxes) The promo will not change sales on boxes, all it does is boost sales fro people who want the promo. Since they cannot tell who buys for the promo and who buys for the box, they will continue the promo. What needs to happen is everyone needs to stop buying for them to realize, they made a mistake. With people buying boxes and cases, it wont stop.
I bought a box and only card I was rally happy to get with Lathiss, Literally every other card I got, I am willing to trade. I knew i was not going to like the cards in this set and I do not (Was debating cheating though, make a deck with my pulls and go to today's event. I might still go to today;s event but I am not cheating (I will however, bring my rares for trade. I want Arcades.)
more sales --> promo was successful --> keep the promo
sales are the same --> promo wasn't successful but it wasn't bad either --> we may keep it
less sales --> promo was a failure --> no more promos
Random thought, battlebond didn't have a BOB promo right?
has to be a lot less and they have to imagine it was the promo and not the mass amount of reprints or just overly bad cards.
Random thought, battlebond didn't have a BOB promo right?
It did not.
My wife and I both did poorly in the pre-release, but we got several cards I wanted, including new Bolas, new Tezzeret and a copy of Remorseful Cleric. I don't think there is enough depth of good stuff in this set to justify buying a box, so I will be picking up singles and the BAB promo via secondary market, plus whatever I get from drafting.
i did 3 pre release events. (And got 4 pre release sets since my friend and I did two headed giant but i paid for both entries.)
I cracked nothing but grabage (Except maybe lili, dunno price on her yet) And i cracked garbage in my box (Excpet maybe Ajani, price again I am not sure on)
Everything else is trash and worthless. Basically i spent money on trade fodder, bulk, and Nexus of Fate.
EDIT: Oh i forgot I got a Lathliss for my Dragon deck. So that's something... even if I cracked a second in my pre releases.
Random thought, battlebond didn't have a BOB promo right?
It did not.
I may buy a battlebond box then
Battlebond's got a great mix for EDH. You got some niche staples like Crucible and Doubling Season (I say niche staples cause they fit specific strategies but fit them SO WELL), interesting new commanders and some cute and fun tricks for various decks. It doesn't, however, have a lot of cards that are good in just about every deck around, it's a lot of niche and "if your deck could use this specific kind of stuff" cards.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Random thought, battlebond didn't have a BOB promo right?
It did not.
I may buy a battlebond box then
Battlebond's got a great mix for EDH. You got some niche staples like Crucible and Doubling Season (I say niche staples cause they fit specific strategies but fit them SO WELL), interesting new commanders and some cute and fun tricks for various decks. It doesn't, however, have a lot of cards that are good in just about every deck around, it's a lot of niche and "if your deck could use this specific kind of stuff" cards.
I'm sorry what? While D.Season is in BAB, crucible my friend, is not.
Some cards I'm looking into: Sai, Master Thopterist is a good source of sac fodder for Breya and can draw cards from saccing. All good here. Cleansing Nova could probably go somewhere... good, versatile wrath. Could be in any white deck. Remorseful Cleric will be good, recurring graveyard hate in Karador.
I just put One With the Machine into Breya. Looking forward to drawing some cards. Stitcher's Supplier looks like a good value idiot for Karador.
I can never have enough copies of Reliquary Tower. Meteor Golem will be put right into Animar.
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
I guess you have a way of recursion on him because there are far better choices in Animar to get rid of stuff.
EDIT: i mean return to hand, not recursion.
Yep. Lots of bounce and some flicker. Bounce I suppose is more interesting, since easily being free is a boon for the golem.
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
I just hope we get a non-stupidly-easy-to-break UR artifact commander so the Jhoiras can go back into more fun decks instead.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I just hope we get a non-stupidly-easy-to-break UR artifact commander so the Jhoiras can go back into more fun decks instead.
I was just starting to think about building a Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain deck, but now I'm going to wait and see what they give us in the artifact precon.
Hopefully they give a more interesting Izzet artifact commander because Jhoira is kinda boring. Feels like you are forced to use low costed artifacts to make msot of her and thats not fun because it ends been a storm decvk instead of an actuall artifact deck like Breyaa is.
I think newer Jhoira is plenty efficient without just running cheap stuff, but I agree she is fairly boring. Repeated card draw is never a bad thing, but it is not always the most exciting thing. I don't think one should measure quality against Breya, though. Breya is one of the more easily broken cards the Commander sets have given us.
I have an Jhoira deck and it’s not storm (Thopter focus mostly). Jhoira is just amazing because she single handedly makes sure I almost never run out of cards. She is a very good generic commander. She might not be flashy but she makes any Artifact deck just run more smoothly without having to commit to her theme (you can pick your own). I’m probably picking up the Izzet deck to further enhance it. Here’s to hoping it has a thopter theme!!
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Not sure I'd use him in any of my current decks, though I could see it being useful in decks like Mangara of Corondor where commanders's ability removes oneself.
Colorless Eldrazi decks might like this. Artifact ramp, drop it on turn 3-4, it only needs to deal a single point of damage and you cast either Ulamog/Kozilek.
Colorless Eldrazi decks might like this. Artifact ramp, drop it on turn 3-4, it only needs to deal a single point of damage and you cast either Ulamog/Kozilek.
Any deck with expensive commanders would enjoy it but yes. Eldrazi will get the most bang for its buck. (As they are teh only commander options that i can recall that are 10+ CMC
i do ask about partners. Can you cast both at once?
I'm no judge, but I suspect since it says "Commander" (singular) instead of "Commanders" or even wording like Bastion Protector ("Commander creatures you control..."), you can only cast one or the other without paying it's cost.
Colorless Eldrazi decks might like this. Artifact ramp, drop it on turn 3-4, it only needs to deal a single point of damage and you cast either Ulamog/Kozilek.
Any deck with expensive commanders would enjoy it but yes. Eldrazi will get the most bang for its buck. (As they are teh only commander options that i can recall that are 10+ CMC
i do ask about partners. Can you cast both at once?
Progenitus is also at 10 CMC. Will & Rowan Kendrith and the Black/White partners clock in high as well. And yes you should be able to cast both partners.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Colorless Eldrazi decks might like this. Artifact ramp, drop it on turn 3-4, it only needs to deal a single point of damage and you cast either Ulamog/Kozilek.
Any deck with expensive commanders would enjoy it but yes. Eldrazi will get the most bang for its buck. (As they are teh only commander options that i can recall that are 10+ CMC
i do ask about partners. Can you cast both at once?
Progenitus is also at 10 CMC. Will & Rowan Kendrith and the Black/White partners clock in high as well. And yes you should be able to cast both partners.
No, you can't. This was discussed in the other thread as well. This rule says you choose one (this assumes that the rule doesn't change):
702.123e. If an effect refers to your commander while you have two commanders, it refers to either one. If an effect causes you to perform an action on your commander and it could affect both, you choose which it refers to at the time the effect is applied.
I dunno I was on vacation when it came out.
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It did not.
My wife and I both did poorly in the pre-release, but we got several cards I wanted, including new Bolas, new Tezzeret and a copy of Remorseful Cleric. I don't think there is enough depth of good stuff in this set to justify buying a box, so I will be picking up singles and the BAB promo via secondary market, plus whatever I get from drafting.
I cracked nothing but grabage (Except maybe lili, dunno price on her yet) And i cracked garbage in my box (Excpet maybe Ajani, price again I am not sure on)
Everything else is trash and worthless. Basically i spent money on trade fodder, bulk, and Nexus of Fate.
EDIT: Oh i forgot I got a Lathliss for my Dragon deck. So that's something... even if I cracked a second in my pre releases.
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Battlebond's got a great mix for EDH. You got some niche staples like Crucible and Doubling Season (I say niche staples cause they fit specific strategies but fit them SO WELL), interesting new commanders and some cute and fun tricks for various decks. It doesn't, however, have a lot of cards that are good in just about every deck around, it's a lot of niche and "if your deck could use this specific kind of stuff" cards.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
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GTitania midrange
RGThromok tokens/goodstuff | UB Grimgrin zombie tribal
GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
I'm sorry what? While D.Season is in BAB, crucible my friend, is not.
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Me too. The one I have is in terrible shape.
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Sai, Master Thopterist is a good source of sac fodder for Breya and can draw cards from saccing. All good here.
Cleansing Nova could probably go somewhere... good, versatile wrath. Could be in any white deck.
Remorseful Cleric will be good, recurring graveyard hate in Karador.
I just put One With the Machine into Breya. Looking forward to drawing some cards.
Stitcher's Supplier looks like a good value idiot for Karador.
I can never have enough copies of Reliquary Tower.
Meteor Golem will be put right into Animar.
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
I guess you have a way of recursion on him because there are far better choices in Animar to get rid of stuff.
EDIT: i mean return to hand, not recursion.
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Yep. Lots of bounce and some flicker. Bounce I suppose is more interesting, since easily being free is a boon for the golem.
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
Izzet Artifacts
Bant Enchantress
Jund Lands
Esper Top-Of-Deck-Matters
I just hope we get a non-stupidly-easy-to-break UR artifact commander so the Jhoiras can go back into more fun decks instead.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I just hope the legends are multi-dimensional, could do things in additional to the themes of the decks.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I was just starting to think about building a Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain deck, but now I'm going to wait and see what they give us in the artifact precon.
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Not sure I'd use him in any of my current decks, though I could see it being useful in decks like Mangara of Corondor where commanders's ability removes oneself.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Colorless Eldrazi decks might like this. Artifact ramp, drop it on turn 3-4, it only needs to deal a single point of damage and you cast either Ulamog/Kozilek.
Any deck with expensive commanders would enjoy it but yes. Eldrazi will get the most bang for its buck. (As they are teh only commander options that i can recall that are 10+ CMC
i do ask about partners. Can you cast both at once?
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Progenitus is also at 10 CMC. Will & Rowan Kendrith and the Black/White partners clock in high as well. And yes you should be able to cast both partners.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.