That and we don't know which creatures will get errata'd to Dinosaurs. Theres a sizeable list of possibilities there tho I don't think we'll get many small Dinos. They might end up being the ground-variety of Dragons, in that there will be a few small ones but it'll more be about powering out the big guns.
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Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I'd put odds close to 100% that there's a wording change from what we've seen, day 0 errata, or some sort of rules change related to Hostage Taker by the time the set drops. There's no way WotC wants a 1-card instant draw on an empty board in their current set.
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I'd put odds close to 100% that there's a wording change from what we've seen, day 0 errata, or some sort of rules change related to Hostage Taker by the time the set drops. There's no way WotC wants a 1-card instant draw on an empty board in their current set.
so if there is a player with an untapped stripmine he can counter that wrath?!?!?! no target will make it fizzle i guess... hm
I think that's sort of a flavor win. A comet is hurtling towards earth to destroy all life...then suddenly the ground under it vanishes and it goes right through the planet and out the other side. Sometimes aggressive mining has its benefits.
2/3 of the options I just gave can happen as soon as WotC is aware of the issue and it's been floating around the internet for a few weeks now. If they overlooked it before, they have plenty of time to fix it. It's always possible that they don't but they're creating a lot of potential headaches with the wording as is. You don't want a new player to show up for their first draft and draw games by playing the rare they opened, you don't want people trolling FNMs by intentionally trying to draw games, you don't want it happening on coverage.
Obviously your choice, but I wouldn't spend too much time brewing or any money on supporting the card as spoiled.
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Hardly a staple. Cavern of Souls can be put into literally any Commander deck and at the very least reads "your commander is uncounterable". Unclaimed Territory needs more tribal density in the deck to be playable.
I'd put odds close to 100% that there's a wording change from what we've seen, day 0 errata, or some sort of rules change related to Hostage Taker by the time the set drops. There's no way WotC wants a 1-card instant draw on an empty board in their current set.
You never know. Maybe an overlooked mistake
Yeah, and an overlooked mistake is how you get day-0 errata, like on Darksteel Mutation and Marath, Will of the Wild. Note that Darksteel Mutation's Oracle text also says the enchanted creature loses other card types and creature types (because turning something into an artifact creature is a special exception to changing a card's type), and Marath's Oracle text won't let you choose X=0 for his abilities (because otherwise "pay 0, remove 0 +1/+1 counters from Marath, make a 0/0 token, it dies" instantly goes infinite with any dies or ETB trigger effect).
Hardly a staple. Cavern of Souls can be put into literally any Commander deck and at the very least reads "your commander is uncounterable". Unclaimed Territory needs more tribal density in the deck to be playable.
I'd put odds close to 100% that there's a wording change from what we've seen, day 0 errata, or some sort of rules change related to Hostage Taker by the time the set drops. There's no way WotC wants a 1-card instant draw on an empty board in their current set.
You never know. Maybe an overlooked mistake
Yeah, and an overlooked mistake is how you get day-0 errata, like on Darksteel Mutation and Marath, Will of the Wild. Note that Darksteel Mutation's Oracle text also says the enchanted creature loses other card types and creature types (because turning something into an artifact creature is a special exception to changing a card's type), and Marath's Oracle text won't let you choose X=0 for his abilities (because otherwise "pay 0, remove 0 +1/+1 counters from Marath, make a 0/0 token, it dies" instantly goes infinite with any dies or ETB trigger effect).
Well hopefullu tbey just change it to may exile instead of exile another...
Would be nice to still have the 1 card infinite with vela.
I do not see many decks really going out of their way to play it with something like aura shards.
That and we don't know which creatures will get errata'd to Dinosaurs. Theres a sizeable list of possibilities there tho I don't think we'll get many small Dinos. They might end up being the ground-variety of Dragons, in that there will be a few small ones but it'll more be about powering out the big guns.
forgive my question but Have they ever errata'd creature types before?
forgive my question but Have they ever errata'd creature types before?
Well, the Grand Creature Type Update happened. Moriok Rigger was also errataed to be a Rigger after Steamflogger Boss was printed, and Ebon Praetor became a Praetor after New Phyrexia.
That and we don't know which creatures will get errata'd to Dinosaurs. Theres a sizeable list of possibilities there tho I don't think we'll get many small Dinos. They might end up being the ground-variety of Dragons, in that there will be a few small ones but it'll more be about powering out the big guns.
Wasn't there already a dinosaur in coldsnap?
If I am correct that means there would be no errata since they already existed and they would have ha dteh option to include them since coldsnap.
At the same tie Ixalan is Dinosaurs, Pirates and Vampires, what kind of messed up plane is this?
That and we don't know which creatures will get errata'd to Dinosaurs. Theres a sizeable list of possibilities there tho I don't think we'll get many small Dinos. They might end up being the ground-variety of Dragons, in that there will be a few small ones but it'll more be about powering out the big guns.
Wasn't there already a dinosaur in coldsnap?
If I am correct that means there would be no errata since they already existed and they would have ha dteh option to include them since coldsnap.
At the same tie Ixalan is Dinosaurs, Pirates and Vampires, what kind of messed up plane is this?
Nope, there's literally 1 dinosaur in all of Magic right now: Old Fogey.
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Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I think every other creature with this effect 4-6, with the vast majority being 5. With the draw 6 or even 7 isn't unlikely. Mythic may save it 5, but I wouldn't count on it.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Reliquary Tower's effect may be 0 mana but nobody plays that effect if the card it's on does nothing but give that effect. Reliquary Tower sees so much play because it also is a land that taps for mana, Spellbook sees no play, Thought Vessel sees a reasonable amount of play. On creatures it's a pretty rare effect, too. So no, it really shouldn't be ignored.
Look, I'll be heavily surprised if this costs 6 mana. Anything below that...yeah, right. Perhaps consider Overbeing of Myth as a better baseline.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Im mostly interested to see what colours it is more than the cost.
We know that already. She's Simic.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
So love Dire Fleet Ravager, really good in Inalla decks with all the life loss. Just casting that + copy with Inalla will make all players lost roughly 54% of their current hp.
Boneyard Parley is a really powerful card to gain allies. A must play in my Hapatra deck. Revel in Riches works really well with sacrifice effects such as Dictate of Erebos.
Hostage Taker is just wow... if only he is a wizard. ><
Im mostly interested to see what colours it is more than the cost.
We know that already. She's Simic.
Would like to see her as Bant, for blink... with tokens...
But she's not Bant. She's Simic. The leaked sheet showed her colours (albeit hard to decipher) and more importantly; she's a merfolk and Ixalan Merfolks are Simic.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Im mostly interested to see what colours it is more than the cost.
We know that already. She's Simic.
Would like to see her as Bant, for blink... with tokens...
But she's not Bant. She's Simic. The leaked sheet showed her colours (albeit hard to decipher) and more importantly; she's a merfolk and Ixalan Merfolks are Simic.
Okay fine, Vampires, Dinosaurs, Pirates and merfolk. Merfolk and Pirates make sense. But still, where do Dinosaurs and Vampires come into play?
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
You never know. Maybe an overlooked mistake
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EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Obviously your choice, but I wouldn't spend too much time brewing or any money on supporting the card as spoiled.
Yeah, and an overlooked mistake is how you get day-0 errata, like on Darksteel Mutation and Marath, Will of the Wild. Note that Darksteel Mutation's Oracle text also says the enchanted creature loses other card types and creature types (because turning something into an artifact creature is a special exception to changing a card's type), and Marath's Oracle text won't let you choose X=0 for his abilities (because otherwise "pay 0, remove 0 +1/+1 counters from Marath, make a 0/0 token, it dies" instantly goes infinite with any dies or ETB trigger effect).
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Well hopefullu tbey just change it to may exile instead of exile another...
Would be nice to still have the 1 card infinite with vela.
I do not see many decks really going out of their way to play it with something like aura shards.
Grixis may use it in combo with purphy.
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Both or those are just mean and evil...I want to do it....
forgive my question but Have they ever errata'd creature types before?
Herald of Seven Servants is nice for a fair Atraxa
Hostage Taker is broken until now
Arcane Adaptation is another combo enabler, since you can use search for other creatures types, like Misthollow Griffin with General Tazri, or a Walking Ballista, Hermit Druid, Academy Rector, Boonweaver Giant, Protean Hulk or any other well knowed combo piece. And even put they directly into play with Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Moggcatcher, Skyshroud Poacher and so.
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Wasn't there already a dinosaur in coldsnap?
If I am correct that means there would be no errata since they already existed and they would have ha dteh option to include them since coldsnap.
At the same tie Ixalan is Dinosaurs, Pirates and Vampires, what kind of messed up plane is this?
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Nope, there's literally 1 dinosaur in all of Magic right now: Old Fogey.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
EDIT: oh, and deathmist raptor, shivan raptor, and maybe frenetic raptor and ridgetop raptor
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
You're telling me that you expect a legendary BETTER Regal Force with a Reliquary Tower tacked on and a bit of Prime Speaker Zegana in it to cost THAT little amount of mana?
Seriously?
Like, actually SERIOUSLY?
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Agree on the first one, not the second.
The card is about the rider, not his mount. Otherwise it would have been a beast and not an elf warrior.
Actually there's a lot more potential dinos than I thought, between "saur" and "raptor" searches. Most of them are bad though.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Every time I go on here, I try to find something that makes the trip worth it. Tonight, it's all dinosaur baby.
Look, I'll be heavily surprised if this costs 6 mana. Anything below that...yeah, right. Perhaps consider Overbeing of Myth as a better baseline.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
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Modern:
RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
We know that already. She's Simic.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Boneyard Parley is a really powerful card to gain allies. A must play in my Hapatra deck. Revel in Riches works really well with sacrifice effects such as Dictate of Erebos.
Hostage Taker is just wow... if only he is a wizard. ><
Tiehana, Voice of Thunder feels like a 6-7cc, UGX/UBX commander.
Unclaimed Territory will be a staple in lots of commander decks.
WUBRG Reaper King - Elf Tribal WUBRG | Tribal Fun
WRG Gishath, Sun's Avatar - Dinosaur Tribal WRG | Rawr!!!
WUG Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - Enchantress Tactics WUG | Enchantments Focused
GBG The Gitrog Monster - Land Shenanigans GBG | Lands/Mill Focused
WBW Kambal, Consul of Life Allocation Matters WBW | Life Gain/Loss focused
UBR Kess, Dissident Mage of the Lotus UBR | Spellslinger
BGB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons - Counters & Tokens BGB | -1/-1 counters focused
Would like to see her as Bant, for blink... with tokens...
But she's not Bant. She's Simic. The leaked sheet showed her colours (albeit hard to decipher) and more importantly; she's a merfolk and Ixalan Merfolks are Simic.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Okay fine, Vampires, Dinosaurs, Pirates and merfolk. Merfolk and Pirates make sense. But still, where do Dinosaurs and Vampires come into play?
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