I doubt it, considering his casting cost. His tutor ability is strong, no doubt; He's just not as inherently easy to abuse as Griselbrand who was a degenerate Necropotence on crack.
To my mind it's more balanced as the creature sac cost is, in most cases (barring attrition decks), diminishing returns. Granted there is [b]Bloodghast[/c] and its ilk, but I still feel like it would be hard to go infinite. You'd need to find a lot of cards to do it, and that's where infinite becomes more acceptable and less banworthy.
That to me is the difference between the two; Griselbrand was a disgusting card advantage engine all on his own by virtue of having lifelink - the means to fuel his own card advantage engine. Razaketh requires more build around to be more than just a means towards consistency.
I doubt it, considering his casting cost. His tutor ability is strong, no doubt; He's just not as inherently easy to abuse as Griselbrand who was a degenerate Necropotence on crack.
To my mind it's more balanced as the creature sac cost is, in most cases (barring attrition decks), diminishing returns. Granted there is [b]Bloodghast[/c] and its ilk, but I still feel like it would be hard to go infinite. You'd need to find a lot of cards to do it, and that's where infinite becomes more acceptable and less banworthy.
That to me is the difference between the two; Griselbrand was a disgusting card advantage engine all on his own by virtue of having lifelink - the means to fuel his own card advantage engine. Razaketh requires more build around to be more than just a means towards consistency.
This guy kills a table with two other creatures and 6 life.
This guy kills a table with two other creatures and 6 life.
Sure but fairly specific creatures - bleeders and recurring creatures. There's a reasonable enough investment in that board state and enough cards involved in bleeding the table dry that I don't see him being banned. He's super strong for sure, but I don't see it happening.
Am I the only one who thinks the price tag for Decree of Silence is going to go down again fairly quick? Sure its great with Solemnity in Commander and some kitchen brew. But nobody in Legacy or Vintage even wants the thing. Modern doesn't even have access to it. Seeing the $100 price tag for a foil Decree of Silence seems shaky to me.
Sure but fairly specific creatures - bleeders and recurring creatures. There's a reasonable enough investment in that board state and enough cards involved in bleeding the table dry that I don't see him being banned. He's super strong for sure, but I don't see it happening.
Nope. Pay 2 life, sac random creature 1: get Sanguine Bond. Pay 2 life, sac random, Dude number 2: get Exquisite Blood. Cast enchantments. Pay 2 life, sac Raz: get basic swamp, trigger combo, kill table.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. Hes not broken and hes not ban-worthy. I'm just sayin'.
Fair enough. I hate that combo personally, but that's just me, those two cards just get me. It also relies on 10 black mana free to play the two, so it's far from bulletproof.
I agree with your edit, and I do also think he's super strong, I'm just stoked that he's not under the ban hammer.
Am I the only one who thinks the price tag for Decree of Silence is going to go down again fairly quick? Sure its great with Solemnity in Commander and some kitchen brew. But nobody in Legacy or Vintage even wants the thing. Modern doesn't even have access to it. Seeing the $100 price tag for a foil Decree of Silence seems shaky to me.
I could see legacy brewing with it thanks to Academy Rector cheating the cost on Decree and finding both pieces, but it's not even a hard lock in that format thanks to widespread Abrupt Decay, comes down way too slowly to be plan A, and is probably worse than just grabbing Omniscience if you're going to go Rector for expensive enchantment. I suspect it's primarily EDH players driving demand which is good enough to keep prices up for a while. That said, the most expensive foil copies on TCGplayer are $35 so I'm not sure where you're seeing $100.
My take on Razaketh is strong but not banworthy. Creature sac is a real cost that makes it harder to take advantage of cheating him out early.
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Sure but fairly specific creatures - bleeders and recurring creatures. There's a reasonable enough investment in that board state and enough cards involved in bleeding the table dry that I don't see him being banned. He's super strong for sure, but I don't see it happening.
Nope. Pay 2 life, sac random creature 1: get Sanguine Bond. Pay 2 life, sac random, Dude number 2: get Exquisite Blood. Cast enchantments. Pay 2 life, sac Raz: get basic swamp, trigger combo, kill table.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. Hes not broken and hes not ban-worthy. I'm just sayin'.
6 life + 18 mana + however you invested in those creatures means it's fair though. Also you can't sac Raz to himself.
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Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
6 life + 18 mana + however you invested in those creatures means it's fair though. Also you can't sac Raz to himself.
Hmm I misremembered. Thought he didn't say another. But its not like you can't split that mana up over turns. 10 mana isn't exactly uncommon in EDH, especially for black. And black does make a fair amount of tokens. The cost isn't as great as it seems on the surface. But like I said. I dont think he's particularly broken or ban-worthy.
Raz is very strong, and I think in a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck he will win very quickly once he lands with fairly little set-up (if you have another random non-Rakdos creature, you can tutor up creature-based manasources, reanimation, and directdamage fairly easily). That said, he isn't so broken he needs a ban right away.
no telling what someone with a little willpower will do though, i could see him being broken
You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
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You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
The fact that it only targets one player makes it more fair to play in general, but more unfair to that person Btw: another expensive enchantment for Academy rector
You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
But it also has the added benefit of stopping activating abilities of non-mana/non-PWs, which can be very critical at stopping a permanent-base decks. I'd consider it as a toolbox card in an enchantment heavy deck, fetched with by Academy Rector, Curse of Misfortune, or reanimate it with Replenish.
You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
I could agree on this card not being that overpowered or gamebreaking, but i disagree with your arguments. This IS entirely one- sided, and you really can't call "hoops" casting one eight mana spell. This can definitely knock down decks based around creature or artifact (their AA's) shenanigains.
My hoops were more reanimation or copying, as I only consider it a problem when you can start locking down the entire table (other than yourself) with it. "Just" casting an eight mana spell to get this powerful effect seems pretty fair, and it doesn't stop the affected player from answering it with cards from hand (unlike the closest apprxomation to this card, Iona, Shield of Emeria, who is easier to cheat and may cause tertiary damage to other players).
You know, I don't exactly know what the "spirit of EDH" is that people regularly talk about, but I'm pretty sure that Overwhelming Splendor is the exact opposite.
Huge flashy enchantment sounds very spiritual to me, but I've also run multiple Humility focused decks in my EDH lifetime.
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I was vaguely considering using Gate to the Afterlife as extra filtering in a few decks, and God-Pharoah's Gift seems like a relevant payoff for the low cost of adding a filtering artifact to the deck. I particularly like it for Xenagos, God of Revels to filter early then start spitting out relevant bodies for him to double (stacking triggers so the 4/4 is there to be doubled, of course).
I was vaguely considering using Gate to the Afterlife as extra filtering in a few decks, and God-Pharoah's Gift seems like a relevant payoff for the low cost of adding a filtering artifact to the deck. I particularly like it for Xenagos, God of Revels to filter early then start spitting out relevant bodies for him to double (stacking triggers so the 4/4 is there to be doubled, of course).
Just want to catch you on this before you go to do it in a game, and someone calls you out on it: Though you can stack these triggers, you must choose the targets for Xenagos' ability when it put on the stack, and at that point, the "Eternalized" creature from Gift of the God-Pharaoh won't be on the battlefield to target unfortunately.
I was vaguely considering using Gate to the Afterlife as extra filtering in a few decks, and God-Pharoah's Gift seems like a relevant payoff for the low cost of adding a filtering artifact to the deck. I particularly like it for Xenagos, God of Revels to filter early then start spitting out relevant bodies for him to double (stacking triggers so the 4/4 is there to be doubled, of course).
Just want to catch you on this before you go to do it in a game, and someone calls you out on it: Though you can stack these triggers, you must choose the targets for Xenagos' ability when it put on the stack, and at that point, the "Eternalized" creature from Gift of the God-Pharaoh won't be on the battlefield to target unfortunately.
Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
Huge flashy enchantment sounds very spiritual to me, but I've also run multiple Humility focused decks in my EDH lifetime.
I know some people really dig cards like this and I personally don't have a problem with them.
The fact that this targets only 1 player is what makes it feel bad to me. "Hey you, don't play Magic while the rest of us keep playing" isn't what most people are after in an EDH game. It may or may not be more oppressive to a single player than Iona, but she is a pretty reasonable analogy.
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BDrana, Kalastria BloodchiefB
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To my mind it's more balanced as the creature sac cost is, in most cases (barring attrition decks), diminishing returns. Granted there is [b]Bloodghast[/c] and its ilk, but I still feel like it would be hard to go infinite. You'd need to find a lot of cards to do it, and that's where infinite becomes more acceptable and less banworthy.
That to me is the difference between the two; Griselbrand was a disgusting card advantage engine all on his own by virtue of having lifelink - the means to fuel his own card advantage engine. Razaketh requires more build around to be more than just a means towards consistency.
This guy kills a table with two other creatures and 6 life.
Sure but fairly specific creatures - bleeders and recurring creatures. There's a reasonable enough investment in that board state and enough cards involved in bleeding the table dry that I don't see him being banned. He's super strong for sure, but I don't see it happening.
Nope. Pay 2 life, sac random creature 1: get Sanguine Bond. Pay 2 life, sac random, Dude number 2: get Exquisite Blood. Cast enchantments. Pay 2 life, sac Raz: get basic swamp, trigger combo, kill table.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. Hes not broken and hes not ban-worthy. I'm just sayin'.
I agree with your edit, and I do also think he's super strong, I'm just stoked that he's not under the ban hammer.
My take on Razaketh is strong but not banworthy. Creature sac is a real cost that makes it harder to take advantage of cheating him out early.
6 life + 18 mana + however you invested in those creatures means it's fair though. Also you can't sac Raz to himself.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Hmm I misremembered. Thought he didn't say another. But its not like you can't split that mana up over turns. 10 mana isn't exactly uncommon in EDH, especially for black. And black does make a fair amount of tokens. The cost isn't as great as it seems on the surface. But like I said. I dont think he's particularly broken or ban-worthy.
no telling what someone with a little willpower will do though, i could see him being broken
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Eh, it's not as bad as the original Humility, it only targets on player in a multiplayer game, and is remarkable expensive. If it was entirely one-sided, maybe, but it's not really all that big a deal for the hoops you have to jump through to make it an actual problem.
The fact that it only targets one player makes it more fair to play in general, but more unfair to that person Btw: another expensive enchantment for Academy rector
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But it also has the added benefit of stopping activating abilities of non-mana/non-PWs, which can be very critical at stopping a permanent-base decks. I'd consider it as a toolbox card in an enchantment heavy deck, fetched with by Academy Rector, Curse of Misfortune, or reanimate it with Replenish.
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My hoops were more reanimation or copying, as I only consider it a problem when you can start locking down the entire table (other than yourself) with it. "Just" casting an eight mana spell to get this powerful effect seems pretty fair, and it doesn't stop the affected player from answering it with cards from hand (unlike the closest apprxomation to this card, Iona, Shield of Emeria, who is easier to cheat and may cause tertiary damage to other players).
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Just want to catch you on this before you go to do it in a game, and someone calls you out on it: Though you can stack these triggers, you must choose the targets for Xenagos' ability when it put on the stack, and at that point, the "Eternalized" creature from Gift of the God-Pharaoh won't be on the battlefield to target unfortunately.
Major bummer, thanks!
I know some people really dig cards like this and I personally don't have a problem with them.
The fact that this targets only 1 player is what makes it feel bad to me. "Hey you, don't play Magic while the rest of us keep playing" isn't what most people are after in an EDH game. It may or may not be more oppressive to a single player than Iona, but she is a pretty reasonable analogy.
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GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect