They will fetch a premium price initially, but coming into play tapped should keep them from going too crazy, IMO. I mean they aren't strictly better than shocks.
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I would think they'll be comparable to the Battle/Have lands.
My prediction is they may go as high as $15 depending on the standard meta, but will probably slip down into the $5-$10 range once they rotate. These are arguably the most powerful dual lands since the Shocklands, but they aren't slam dunk includes by any stretch. They'll be great in Commander and reasonable for control and Dredge decks in Modern, so I think price-wise they'll be like the fastlands from Scars - high in standard, and still having value after but not super expensive.
That's my hope at least. If it turns out this enables a new Legacy archetype on top of all that other good work, or if they're even better in Modern than expected, they could easily cost as much as the Shocks.
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I've run the single color cycling lands in a couple decks, usually for a Loam engine. These are strict upgrades over the Saga ones and kind of lateral to the Onslaught ones. I'm more likely to play one or two of these than a lot of the dual land cycles that get released.
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Of my current decks, the only one that really wants one of these is Olivia, because Swamps matter. Otherwise, I generally prefer the tangos because they at least have the possibility of entering untapped.
Now, if they ever print an enemy cycle, my Kruphix deck probably wants the UG one because of the synergy with Life from the Loam and Splendid Reclamation.
Fetchable, pitchable late, synergy with dredge. Great stuff. Gitrog players are hoping we get enemy pairs this summer.
Not that the Shadowslands saw much except in bargain builds or I-don't-know-cards-exist-prior-to-Theros decks, but this will be the nail in their coffin. Probaby the same for Temples in a lot of decks. The playfield is getting crowded for EDH duals.
These are nice, but the power of Temples should not be underestimated. At each point in the game, free scry can be the difference between good draws and dead draws.
I don't understand, how will these lands see play in Standard? There's no fetchlands in Standard and these new lands will always enter the field tapped, which already makes them worse than all the past blocks' dual lands. The cycling is a nice extra, but lands are supposed to be used for casting spells, not to dig through your deck.
Unless of course there's some new gimic in this set that's yet to be revealed. But until then, your claim that these lands are comparable to the battle lands and can reach up to $15 in price is a little absurd.
Also this is the wrong forum to talk about Standard in.
I don't understand, how will these lands see play in Standard? There's no fetchlands in Standard and these new lands will always enter the field tapped, which already makes them worse than all the past blocks' dual lands. The cycling is a nice extra, but lands are supposed to be used for casting spells, not to dig through your deck.
Unless of course there's some new gimic in this set that's yet to be revealed. But until then, your claim that these lands are comparable to the battle lands and can reach up to $15 in price is a little absurd.
Depends how good Gitrog Delerium will be. 2 for an instant speed Divination is pretty good in EDH. Assuming that tapping out against cat lady combo doesn't kill the deck, it could be powerful.
A lot will ride on what kind of cycling interactions will appear in Standard. We already have that one demon which is a strong card, and there are some tricks that enjoy having lands in the grave. So until we have the full spoiler, we can't know for sure how good these lands will be in Standard.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I don't understand, how will these lands see play in Standard? There's no fetchlands in Standard and these new lands will always enter the field tapped, which already makes them worse than all the past blocks' dual lands. The cycling is a nice extra, but lands are supposed to be used for casting spells, not to dig through your deck.
Unless of course there's some new gimic in this set that's yet to be revealed. But until then, your claim that these lands are comparable to the battle lands and can reach up to $15 in price is a little absurd.
Also this is the wrong forum to talk about Standard in.
Let's pray it's because the zendikar fetch lands are getting reprinted in the next block
I think the lands will find a home in a deck or two of mine, definitely in any that grave interaction of any sort (Damia, Tymna/Kydele, Glint-Eye at least). Even outside grave synergy, I'll probably a drop a few here and there, least on the decks that are lighter on draw.
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Hate is too strong a word to describe my feelings about them, but I'm not a fan. Nor do I worry about them. Out of all of Return to Zendikar block, I pulled a grand total of one of the premium lands (Prairie Stream, which barely even counts), and I didn't get any of the Kaladesh/Aether Revolt artifact ones.
The new duals are interesting and I think millage will vary depending on the number of fetches you run. IMO I think in 3 colour decks I would rather have battle's or temples but in 2 colour why not?
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Modern: RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
Always entering tapped kills the fetchcycletaplands for me. Granted, I don't play anything they can go in (except Jeleva, but they're garbage there) but always entering tapped is a serious drawback. I'd probably only look at them in decks that want lands in the graveyard.
Also, this most likely means no Zen fetches in a standard block for 2+ years at minimum (not that I was expecting them).
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I for one am looking forward to adding them to edh decks. Tapped? So what, fetch end step, then untap. And more cycle lands is cool if you get flooded and are looking for an answer.
Either way, I'll just pick them up after the initial craze of release dies down. Doubt they'll see extensive standard play (maybe 1 or 2 in a deck at best) unless of course we see fetches.
I for one am looking forward to adding them to edh decks. Tapped? So what, fetch end step, then untap. And more cycle lands is cool if you get flooded and are looking for an answer.
Either way, I'll just pick them up after the initial craze of release dies down. Doubt they'll see extensive standard play (maybe 1 or 2 in a deck at best) unless of course we see fetches.
Sadly i have to wiat till teh next se to get the enemy colored ones. I can run 1 in Riku, 1 in Leovold, 2 in breya (but I probably won't) and none in Mazirek.
I for one am looking forward to adding them to edh decks. Tapped? So what, fetch end step, then untap. And more cycle lands is cool if you get flooded and are looking for an answer.
Either way, I'll just pick them up after the initial craze of release dies down. Doubt they'll see extensive standard play (maybe 1 or 2 in a deck at best) unless of course we see fetches.
Sadly i have to wiat till teh next se to get the enemy colored ones. I can run 1 in Riku, 1 in Leovold, 2 in breya (but I probably won't) and none in Mazirek.
I feel ya man, I'm still bummed they didnt finish the bfz duals in enemy colors. :S
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GW Sigarda enchantress | R Godo voltron
U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
GReki, the History of Kamigawa Legendfall
UGEdric, Spymaster of Trest Drawmaster of Trest | GBGlissa the Traitor A Touch of Death | WBTeysa, Orzhov Scion Spinning in Graves
UWIsperia, Supreme Judge A Riddles of Sphinxes | RG Mena and Denn, Wildborn Beware Falling Rocks | GWSigarda, Host of Hurons The Enchantress
WRGRith the Awakener Superfriendly Tokens
My prediction is they may go as high as $15 depending on the standard meta, but will probably slip down into the $5-$10 range once they rotate. These are arguably the most powerful dual lands since the Shocklands, but they aren't slam dunk includes by any stretch. They'll be great in Commander and reasonable for control and Dredge decks in Modern, so I think price-wise they'll be like the fastlands from Scars - high in standard, and still having value after but not super expensive.
That's my hope at least. If it turns out this enables a new Legacy archetype on top of all that other good work, or if they're even better in Modern than expected, they could easily cost as much as the Shocks.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
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Now, if they ever print an enemy cycle, my Kruphix deck probably wants the UG one because of the synergy with Life from the Loam and Splendid Reclamation.
These are nice, but the power of Temples should not be underestimated. At each point in the game, free scry can be the difference between good draws and dead draws.
Unless of course there's some new gimic in this set that's yet to be revealed. But until then, your claim that these lands are comparable to the battle lands and can reach up to $15 in price is a little absurd.
Also this is the wrong forum to talk about Standard in.
Depends how good Gitrog Delerium will be. 2 for an instant speed Divination is pretty good in EDH. Assuming that tapping out against cat lady combo doesn't kill the deck, it could be powerful.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
As many people as that like them.
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U Braids aggro | WR Kalemne punisher
RU Mizzix storm | BUG Mimeoplasm competitive reanimator | UG Ezuri infect
The invocations look neat to me, but I'd never spend money on one and almost certainly would trade one away if I happened to open it in a pack.
Edit: Maybe cards like Mutilate and Primal Bellow are coming?
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
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Hate is too strong a word to describe my feelings about them, but I'm not a fan. Nor do I worry about them. Out of all of Return to Zendikar block, I pulled a grand total of one of the premium lands (Prairie Stream, which barely even counts), and I didn't get any of the Kaladesh/Aether Revolt artifact ones.
BRGKresh the BloodbraidedBRG, A box of lands and ideas.
Modern:
RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
Who do I need to use in a sacrifice to MaRo to make that happen?
I find the invocations names hard to read.
Also, this most likely means no Zen fetches in a standard block for 2+ years at minimum (not that I was expecting them).
UGR Wanderer
UGB Tasigur Control
URB Jeleva Storm
RW Gisela Control
Either way, I'll just pick them up after the initial craze of release dies down. Doubt they'll see extensive standard play (maybe 1 or 2 in a deck at best) unless of course we see fetches.
Sadly i have to wiat till teh next se to get the enemy colored ones. I can run 1 in Riku, 1 in Leovold, 2 in breya (but I probably won't) and none in Mazirek.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
I feel ya man, I'm still bummed they didnt finish the bfz duals in enemy colors. :S