As I said to my playgroup in our group texts earlier: look at every card in this set so far and there's another recently printed/affordable that does it better. Outside of truly niche applications like Food Chain and Triskadekaphobia, the rest just strikes me as meh. Tamiyo is dumb, powerful. All of her abilities are mono-u, but I'll play her in Bant. I don't need prophet/deadeye 2.0, but man the rest is bad. I was building a werewolf tribal deck in anticipation and just took it apart. Gisa and Gerald combined are worse than either alone. Overall: supremely disappointed. Here's hoping for Kaladesh I guess.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
As I said to my playgroup in our group texts earlier: look at every card in this set so far and there's another recently printed/affordable that does it better. Outside of truly niche applications like Food Chain and Triskadekaphobia, the rest just strikes me as meh. Tamiyo is dumb, powerful. All of her abilities are mono-u, but I'll play her in Bant. I don't need prophet/deadeye 2.0, but man the rest is bad. I was building a werewolf tribal deck in anticipation and just took it apart. Gisa and Gerald combined are worse than either alone. Overall: supremely disappointed. Here's hoping for Kaladesh I guess.
ha! i was saying almost the same thing in our group edh chat on facebook yesterday.
normally by the end of the first week of spoilers i have at least a small list of things i want to try out, or that are being slotted in to the appropriate decks. so far with this set there is just one card that i want to pick up, and its really only because its obviously powerful. that card being eldritch evolution, because turning an acidic slime into an elesh-norn is fair i guess? everything so far other than that feels like its playing it so safe that its boring.
the set feels like its banking on the innistrad name almost completely so far.
i should admit, i'm somewhat tempted to make gisela, but only because i have a crapton of good equipment laying around and she carries them very well.
Yeah, I can't really take that statement seriously, simply due to how the cards here work.
Tamiyo is the first Bant walker and that ult is extremely powerful, and her + and - abilities are pretty useful as well. Will be seen for sure.
Elder Deep-Fiend will be seen as well. Biggish dude about to die? Pay two blue and suddenly you have a bigger baddie who taps down some stuff while he's at it.
On that note, Emerge is a strong mechanic. There's a lot of stuff on the 3-4-5 CMC scale that you don't mind sacrificing to big Emerge dudes as they've done their job anyway. Suddenly you have a cheap fatty.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
Emrakul, the marquee card of the set, will see play. It's especially mean with Ugin's Nexus, making for a double whammy.
Brisela may have the downside of the new Gisela not really being an EDH card, but Bruna certainly is and it gives Angel-based decks a new whammy. Oh, or Gaddock Teeg decks? Who have plenty of ways to tutor for the two?
Thalia is an improved Imposing Sovereign, making her great for hatebear decks. She's also a fantastic hate piece against Richboy McMoneybags and his 10 fetches 10 duals 10 shocks lists. Thalia's Lancers, in the meantime, is a blinkable tutor with a decent body, and thus will see play.
Blue has gotten a lot of control/spellslinger support already, between Curious Homunculous/Voracious Reader, Delver 3.0, and Niblis of Frost. Unsubstantiate is an EDH staple with the Ashcoat Bear removed, so that will see play too.
I could go on, but there's already a lot that will be slotted into various decks. Whether they're fit for your decks is a question for another time, but you cannot say this set brings nothing new.
Also Gisa & Geralf is the best Dimir Zombie Tribal legend ever.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I personally don't think the new gisa is too much worse the old one, colors alone. Plus you can always put both in the 99 with the new. A blue black zombie karador could be interesting. Yeah it's not great... But either is gisa or her brothers old cards either lol. I made the best gisa deck one could make for my girlfriend cause she loved zombies... And she could get potentionally literally billions of zombies (thornbite and deathrender)... But it took forever to do. I'd take this zombie meren over gisa any day
Least you can keep summoning fleshbag over and over and nuke everyone's field...
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
how is it uncounterable?
Go ahead and counter it. I still get my +2/+2 and trample on my army. Unless of course you Stifle it which is why I said most of the time as stifle effects are reasonably rare and not nearly as common as conventional counterspells.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Yeah, I can't really take that statement seriously, simply due to how the cards here work.
Tamiyo is the first Bant walker and that ult is extremely powerful, and her + and - abilities are pretty useful as well. Will be seen for sure.
Elder Deep-Fiend will be seen as well. Biggish dude about to die? Pay two blue and suddenly you have a bigger baddie who taps down some stuff while he's at it.
On that note, Emerge is a strong mechanic. There's a lot of stuff on the 3-4-5 CMC scale that you don't mind sacrificing to big Emerge dudes as they've done their job anyway. Suddenly you have a cheap fatty.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
Emrakul, the marquee card of the set, will see play. It's especially mean with Ugin's Nexus, making for a double whammy.
Brisela may have the downside of the new Gisela not really being an EDH card, but Bruna certainly is and it gives Angel-based decks a new whammy. Oh, or Gaddock Teeg decks? Who have plenty of ways to tutor for the two?
Thalia is an improved Imposing Sovereign, making her great for hatebear decks. She's also a fantastic hate piece against Richboy McMoneybags and his 10 fetches 10 duals 10 shocks lists. Thalia's Lancers, in the meantime, is a blinkable tutor with a decent body, and thus will see play.
Blue has gotten a lot of control/spellslinger support already, between Curious Homunculous/Voracious Reader, Delver 3.0, and Niblis of Frost. Unsubstantiate is an EDH staple with the Ashcoat Bear removed, so that will see play too.
I could go on, but there's already a lot that will be slotted into various decks. Whether they're fit for your decks is a question for another time, but you cannot say this set brings nothing new.
Also Gisa & Geralf is the best Dimir Zombie Tribal legend ever.
Tamiyo is good. Very good.
Elder deep fiend is a way worse cryptic command.
Decimator is a worse craterhoof.
Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
Brisela is unplayable if half your meld eats a swords/path. Alone one is alright, but worse than baneslayer.
Thalia is good in hatebears, and I'll get one eventually for my Teeg deck, but I already have artifacts/enchantments that are harder to kill that do her job.
Gisa and Geralf roll over to wheel of sun and moon, Leyline of the void, two enchantments their colors can't deal with. Havenghoul Lich does their job 10x better in 100% of scenarios. They should have just had his ability, then I'd be mildly impressed.
I have around ten decks. If I can barely find one-two worthwhile cards, one because she's obviously been pushed to ridiculous levels to sell an otherwise lackluster set, I call that a bust. I'm not saying these cards are strictly unplayable, I'm saying for each instance you find there's already a card that does it better, and most of them printed within recent years so they're easily attainable, for me. I have 7 cryptic commands from my standard playing days. Will I ever play that janky octopus? Nope.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
Various other revealed cards have EDH applications, just not for me at the moment. I might pick up a Hanweir Battlements and Hanweir Garrison if I ever build Godo again.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
how is it uncounterable?
Go ahead and counter it. I still get my +2/+2 and trample on my army. Unless of course you Stifle it which is why I said most of the time as stifle effects are reasonably rare and not nearly as common as conventional counterspells.
oh misread it i thought when it entered the batlefeild. Its when it i cast, deosn't have to resolve. I think my brother will be running the card. (Mono-green swarm)
Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
I honestly think it might be the best big eldrazi, at least in edh. It's obviously not as good to cheat into play as the annihilator trio, but I think it has the best cast trigger of all 6 on the easiest card to cast. Your opponent gets an extra turn, but not really. They have the same number of turns in control as they would otherwise, you're the one in control of an extra turn making it very similar to the extra turn old emrakul gave. The way this loses out to casting old emrakul is that you don't have effective haste on a 15/15 annihilator 6, but it's definitely better in more ways than one. a) It doesn't cost anywhere near 15. In edh, I'm expecting it to get cast for 8 or 9 most of the time which is a huge difference. b) It does a lot more when you're way behind. If you're last at the table and manage to cast the old emrakul, you'd draw an extra card, play an extra land, and then potentially nuke one person before getting taken out of the game. If you're behind with new emrakul, the cast trigger can let you effectively neuter multiple players by using ones resources against the others, and that can definitely steal a game from nowhere. In a multiplayer game, you're almost assured to get better card advantage from this trigger than any of the other big eldrazi for less mana and leave behind like the 3rd best body.
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Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
I honestly think it might be the best big eldrazi, at least in edh. It's obviously not as good to cheat into play as the annihilator trio, but I think it has the best cast trigger of all 6 on the easiest card to cast. Your opponent gets an extra turn, but not really. They have the same number of turns in control as they would otherwise, you're the one in control of an extra turn making it very similar to the extra turn old emrakul gave. The way this loses out to casting old emrakul is that you don't have effective haste on a 15/15 annihilator 6, but it's definitely better in more ways than one. a) It doesn't cost anywhere near 15. In edh, I'm expecting it to get cast for 8 or 9 most of the time which is a huge difference. b) It does a lot more when you're way behind. If you're last at the table and manage to cast the old emrakul, you'd draw an extra card, play an extra land, and then potentially nuke one person before getting taken out of the game. If you're behind with new emrakul, the cast trigger can let you effectively neuter multiple players by using ones resources against the others, and that can definitely steal a game from nowhere. In a multiplayer game, you're almost assured to get better card advantage from this trigger than any of the other big eldrazi for less mana and leave behind like the 3rd best body.
Best card advantage? You can cast and draw 4+ on turn 2 with the old eldrazi. Reliably turn 3. I know because someone in my group plays them as a gen and I had to alter decks to be able to kill it/metalworker that fast. A single mindslaver activation doesn't win a lot of games in my group. Neither will Emrakul 2.0.
Old Emrakul was ban worthy. This one clearly isn't.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
It will probably see a spike in play, but it will die back to around the levels of Sorin 1.0 and Magister Sphinx, which I see almost none of these days. Tree has the advantage of costing 2 less and letting you be political on a second activation (plus Triskadeckaphobia synergy, I suppoose), but not much else.
Best card advantage? You can cast and draw 4+ on turn 2 with the old eldrazi. Reliably turn 3. I know because someone in my group plays them as a gen and I had to alter decks to be able to kill it/metalworker that fast. A single mindslaver activation doesn't win a lot of games in my group. Neither will Emrakul 2.0.
Old Emrakul was ban worthy. This one clearly isn't.
Old emrakul is questionably ban worthy, and practically half of the ban is from bribery, which is actually just another check in the plus column of the new one, that it's much much harder to use against you than the annihilator eldrazi. Also, you adjusted your decks to kill an eldrazi general on turn 2 or 3, the adjustments you made probably can't kill something with protection from instants. You might not die to a mindslaver, but a mindslaver that kills in 2 swings is nothing to shrug at.
At any rate, we'll see how things go. I think original emrakul had so much of a presence because of how obvious its power is (and everyone had a prerelease copy) so everyone just slammed it into any old deck. People seem to think curiously little of the new one and that itself might prevent it from having a major impact.
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First week was pretty eventful.
The first card that I am interested in is Tree of Perdition. Part of it is nostalgic - I loved Tree of Redemption even though it was more derpy than actually good. This tree has a bit of bite to it, and I'll test it in Oloro if I get a hold of it. Maybe one day I will live the dream with a certain hilarious enchantment. Emrakul, the Promised End and Craterhoof Boarhemoth look good for Animar. Emrakul can be brutal and boar can kill. He is easier to loop with Curio than his big brother and will probably be more affordable.
Karador wants Thalia. Good god that Thalia is nasty. Creatures is one thing but it gets most lands too - it's beautiful. I also like Eldritch Evolution, but I don't think it is as good as the other tutors I run in Karador.
Bruna looks good for Kalemne.
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Best card advantage? You can cast and draw 4+ on turn 2 with the old eldrazi. Reliably turn 3. I know because someone in my group plays them as a gen and I had to alter decks to be able to kill it/metalworker that fast. A single mindslaver activation doesn't win a lot of games in my group. Neither will Emrakul 2.0.
Old Emrakul was ban worthy. This one clearly isn't.
Old emrakul is questionably ban worthy, and practically half of the ban is from bribery, which is actually just another check in the plus column of the new one, that it's much much harder to use against you than the annihilator eldrazi. Also, you adjusted your decks to kill an eldrazi general on turn 2 or 3, the adjustments you made probably can't kill something with protection from instants. You might not die to a mindslaver, but a mindslaver that kills in 2 swings is nothing to shrug at.
At any rate, we'll see how things go. I think original emrakul had so much of a presence because of how obvious its power is (and everyone had a prerelease copy) so everyone just slammed it into any old deck. People seem to think curiously little of the new one and that itself might prevent it from having a major impact.
No ones going to show and tell Emrakul 2.0 into play. 1.0 is just that much more powerful.
The adjustments I made and the ones you think I made say a lot about us as players, I guess. He can have all the protection he wants. The issue isn't the general, it's the engine. The key was/is killing metalworker(no pro instants there) and fast artifact mana(tutors+stony silence works wonders).
Edit: you keep leaving out the worst part: it gives them an extra turn. Yeah, you get your mindslaver in a 4 person game. IF you don't kill at least one person, you now have 4 turns to wait and deal with a whole table looking at you.
I don't have to like the card. I don't like the card. You love it. Great. But stop being ridiculous with pretending like it's even close to Emrakul 1.0. It's not. I don't even want it to be, I just find it completely underwhelming compared to any other eldrazi. Like every card in this set looks underwhelming compared to other options.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
Edit: you keep leaving out the worst part: it gives them an extra turn. Yeah, you get your mindslaver in a 4 person game. IF you don't kill at least one person, you now have 4 turns to wait and deal with a whole table looking at you.
I'm sticking with "we'll see how things go" except for this part. You don't have to wait 4 turns because you're in control of one of them. The extra turn they get is to replace the one you stole. Went you cast new emrakul, you effectively have one more turn than everyone else that round, and you're the person everyone else has to wait for.
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Yeah, I can't really take that statement seriously, simply due to how the cards here work.
Tamiyo is the first Bant walker and that ult is extremely powerful, and her + and - abilities are pretty useful as well. Will be seen for sure.
Elder Deep-Fiend will be seen as well. Biggish dude about to die? Pay two blue and suddenly you have a bigger baddie who taps down some stuff while he's at it.
On that note, Emerge is a strong mechanic. There's a lot of stuff on the 3-4-5 CMC scale that you don't mind sacrificing to big Emerge dudes as they've done their job anyway. Suddenly you have a cheap fatty.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
Emrakul, the marquee card of the set, will see play. It's especially mean with Ugin's Nexus, making for a double whammy.
Brisela may have the downside of the new Gisela not really being an EDH card, but Bruna certainly is and it gives Angel-based decks a new whammy. Oh, or Gaddock Teeg decks? Who have plenty of ways to tutor for the two?
Thalia is an improved Imposing Sovereign, making her great for hatebear decks. She's also a fantastic hate piece against Richboy McMoneybags and his 10 fetches 10 duals 10 shocks lists. Thalia's Lancers, in the meantime, is a blinkable tutor with a decent body, and thus will see play.
Blue has gotten a lot of control/spellslinger support already, between Curious Homunculous/Voracious Reader, Delver 3.0, and Niblis of Frost. Unsubstantiate is an EDH staple with the Ashcoat Bear removed, so that will see play too.
I could go on, but there's already a lot that will be slotted into various decks. Whether they're fit for your decks is a question for another time, but you cannot say this set brings nothing new.
Also Gisa & Geralf is the best Dimir Zombie Tribal legend ever.
Tamiyo is good. Very good.
Elder deep fiend is a way worse cryptic command.
Decimator is a worse craterhoof.
Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
Brisela is unplayable if half your meld eats a swords/path. Alone one is alright, but worse than baneslayer.
Thalia is good in hatebears, and I'll get one eventually for my Teeg deck, but I already have artifacts/enchantments that are harder to kill that do her job.
Gisa and Geralf roll over to wheel of sun and moon, Leyline of the void, two enchantments their colors can't deal with. Havenghoul Lich does their job 10x better in 100% of scenarios. They should have just had his ability, then I'd be mildly impressed.
I have around ten decks. If I can barely find one-two worthwhile cards, one because she's obviously been pushed to ridiculous levels to sell an otherwise lackluster set, I call that a bust. I'm not saying these cards are strictly unplayable, I'm saying for each instance you find there's already a card that does it better, and most of them printed within recent years so they're easily attainable, for me. I have 7 cryptic commands from my standard playing days. Will I ever play that janky octopus? Nope.
Not all commander players are as competitive as you. For instance, I am looking forward to slotting the "ultimate" delver in one of my decks.
Yeah, I can't really take that statement seriously, simply due to how the cards here work.
Tamiyo is the first Bant walker and that ult is extremely powerful, and her + and - abilities are pretty useful as well. Will be seen for sure.
Elder Deep-Fiend will be seen as well. Biggish dude about to die? Pay two blue and suddenly you have a bigger baddie who taps down some stuff while he's at it.
On that note, Emerge is a strong mechanic. There's a lot of stuff on the 3-4-5 CMC scale that you don't mind sacrificing to big Emerge dudes as they've done their job anyway. Suddenly you have a cheap fatty.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
Emrakul, the marquee card of the set, will see play. It's especially mean with Ugin's Nexus, making for a double whammy.
Brisela may have the downside of the new Gisela not really being an EDH card, but Bruna certainly is and it gives Angel-based decks a new whammy. Oh, or Gaddock Teeg decks? Who have plenty of ways to tutor for the two?
Thalia is an improved Imposing Sovereign, making her great for hatebear decks. She's also a fantastic hate piece against Richboy McMoneybags and his 10 fetches 10 duals 10 shocks lists. Thalia's Lancers, in the meantime, is a blinkable tutor with a decent body, and thus will see play.
Blue has gotten a lot of control/spellslinger support already, between Curious Homunculous/Voracious Reader, Delver 3.0, and Niblis of Frost. Unsubstantiate is an EDH staple with the Ashcoat Bear removed, so that will see play too.
I could go on, but there's already a lot that will be slotted into various decks. Whether they're fit for your decks is a question for another time, but you cannot say this set brings nothing new.
Also Gisa & Geralf is the best Dimir Zombie Tribal legend ever.
Tamiyo is good. Very good.
Elder deep fiend is a way worse cryptic command.
Decimator is a worse craterhoof.
Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
Brisela is unplayable if half your meld eats a swords/path. Alone one is alright, but worse than baneslayer.
Thalia is good in hatebears, and I'll get one eventually for my Teeg deck, but I already have artifacts/enchantments that are harder to kill that do her job.
Gisa and Geralf roll over to wheel of sun and moon, Leyline of the void, two enchantments their colors can't deal with. Havenghoul Lich does their job 10x better in 100% of scenarios. They should have just had his ability, then I'd be mildly impressed.
I have around ten decks. If I can barely find one-two worthwhile cards, one because she's obviously been pushed to ridiculous levels to sell an otherwise lackluster set, I call that a bust. I'm not saying these cards are strictly unplayable, I'm saying for each instance you find there's already a card that does it better, and most of them printed within recent years so they're easily attainable, for me. I have 7 cryptic commands from my standard playing days. Will I ever play that janky octopus? Nope.
Not all commander players are as competitive as you. For instance, I am looking forward to slotting the "ultimate" delver in one of my decks.
That's the thing: I play a full range of decks. My Norin deck is all chaos. Whim of the fates, warp world, omen machine, etc. it is not competitive. I even have a Wrexial deck that is strictly a theme deck with the general altered to president Cthulhu. Nothing goes in that deck if it isn't totally on theme. It's so bad. It's never won a game. But each time I play it, it's fun because I explain why each card is leading to the summoning of the Elder God. I play EDH for all facets of the format, and I'm just totally underwhelmed with this set. Sorry. Seems like some people don't want to hear that. I didn't realize it was New Card Discussion Only if You Like the New Cards.
@Mrdown2urth I did sell a play set of promo's actually. I kept the rest in case I ever play another format where they're useful, and I'd still have a few for EDH.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
I see maybe three cards I'm legitimately interested in in this set, hanweir garrison (because who doesn't want a goblin rabblemaster replace when playing red), the assembled alphas card, and eldritch evolution as a way to get alphas out. However both of those permanents will immediately be removal bait if they hit the table, I still want to try them. I hope week two have some red cards with evasion though; I like menace as an evasion tool for red. My favorite card from SOI was sin prodder because he had evasion, and has been very powerful anytime he stays in play. Plus, wizards, please please give us a red mythic that doesn't eat removal before it does anything OR HELP OUR OPPONENTS MORE THAN US!!! That said the set as a whole still seems to point toward GW continuing to dominate without a hope for anything else; yes blue got some toys for once, but will it be enough?
That said the set as a whole still seems to point toward GW continuing to dominate without a hope for anything else; yes blue got some toys for once, but will it be enough?
You do realize you're in the EDH sub, right? Blue is arguably the best color in the format.
There are a lot of good things for the first 60-some cards. Meld is possibly the stupidest mechanic ever printed, but that's life. Out of the currently spoiled stuff, I'm almost certainly going to use Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Eldritch Evolution, Geier Reach Sanitarium, and Hanweir Battlements. I'm likely to use Thalia's Lancers and Docent of Perfection somewhere as well and there are a number of cards that fit well with the right deck. Even if nothing else is printed that I have any interest in, 6 cards out of a set is right around the usual. Seeing as there are still 140 cards to be spoiled, I'm expecting one or two more worthwhile ones. It seems way too early to be disappointed in this set.
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Tree of Perdition seems real solid in my Erebos Pestilence build. Throw someone to 13 (or less after toxic deluge/black sun), then sac it to Diamond Valley.
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ha! i was saying almost the same thing in our group edh chat on facebook yesterday.
normally by the end of the first week of spoilers i have at least a small list of things i want to try out, or that are being slotted in to the appropriate decks. so far with this set there is just one card that i want to pick up, and its really only because its obviously powerful. that card being eldritch evolution, because turning an acidic slime into an elesh-norn is fair i guess? everything so far other than that feels like its playing it so safe that its boring.
the set feels like its banking on the innistrad name almost completely so far.
i should admit, i'm somewhat tempted to make gisela, but only because i have a crapton of good equipment laying around and she carries them very well.
also liking the new tamiyo, might make superfriends again.
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Tamiyo is the first Bant walker and that ult is extremely powerful, and her + and - abilities are pretty useful as well. Will be seen for sure.
Elder Deep-Fiend will be seen as well. Biggish dude about to die? Pay two blue and suddenly you have a bigger baddie who taps down some stuff while he's at it.
On that note, Emerge is a strong mechanic. There's a lot of stuff on the 3-4-5 CMC scale that you don't mind sacrificing to big Emerge dudes as they've done their job anyway. Suddenly you have a cheap fatty.
Decimator of the Provinces looks like an uncounterable Overrun most of the time. When is that a bad thing for Green swarm decks?
Emrakul, the marquee card of the set, will see play. It's especially mean with Ugin's Nexus, making for a double whammy.
Brisela may have the downside of the new Gisela not really being an EDH card, but Bruna certainly is and it gives Angel-based decks a new whammy. Oh, or Gaddock Teeg decks? Who have plenty of ways to tutor for the two?
Thalia is an improved Imposing Sovereign, making her great for hatebear decks. She's also a fantastic hate piece against Richboy McMoneybags and his 10 fetches 10 duals 10 shocks lists. Thalia's Lancers, in the meantime, is a blinkable tutor with a decent body, and thus will see play.
Blue has gotten a lot of control/spellslinger support already, between Curious Homunculous/Voracious Reader, Delver 3.0, and Niblis of Frost. Unsubstantiate is an EDH staple with the Ashcoat Bear removed, so that will see play too.
I could go on, but there's already a lot that will be slotted into various decks. Whether they're fit for your decks is a question for another time, but you cannot say this set brings nothing new.
Also Gisa & Geralf is the best Dimir Zombie Tribal legend ever.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
how is it uncounterable?
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Least you can keep summoning fleshbag over and over and nuke everyone's field...
Go ahead and counter it. I still get my +2/+2 and trample on my army. Unless of course you Stifle it which is why I said most of the time as stifle effects are reasonably rare and not nearly as common as conventional counterspells.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Tamiyo is good. Very good.
Elder deep fiend is a way worse cryptic command.
Decimator is a worse craterhoof.
Emrakul may be the worst of the big eldrazi yet printed.
Brisela is unplayable if half your meld eats a swords/path. Alone one is alright, but worse than baneslayer.
Thalia is good in hatebears, and I'll get one eventually for my Teeg deck, but I already have artifacts/enchantments that are harder to kill that do her job.
Gisa and Geralf roll over to wheel of sun and moon, Leyline of the void, two enchantments their colors can't deal with. Havenghoul Lich does their job 10x better in 100% of scenarios. They should have just had his ability, then I'd be mildly impressed.
I have around ten decks. If I can barely find one-two worthwhile cards, one because she's obviously been pushed to ridiculous levels to sell an otherwise lackluster set, I call that a bust. I'm not saying these cards are strictly unplayable, I'm saying for each instance you find there's already a card that does it better, and most of them printed within recent years so they're easily attainable, for me. I have 7 cryptic commands from my standard playing days. Will I ever play that janky octopus? Nope.
Various other revealed cards have EDH applications, just not for me at the moment. I might pick up a Hanweir Battlements and Hanweir Garrison if I ever build Godo again.
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oh misread it i thought when it entered the batlefeild. Its when it i cast, deosn't have to resolve. I think my brother will be running the card. (Mono-green swarm)
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I honestly think it might be the best big eldrazi, at least in edh. It's obviously not as good to cheat into play as the annihilator trio, but I think it has the best cast trigger of all 6 on the easiest card to cast. Your opponent gets an extra turn, but not really. They have the same number of turns in control as they would otherwise, you're the one in control of an extra turn making it very similar to the extra turn old emrakul gave. The way this loses out to casting old emrakul is that you don't have effective haste on a 15/15 annihilator 6, but it's definitely better in more ways than one. a) It doesn't cost anywhere near 15. In edh, I'm expecting it to get cast for 8 or 9 most of the time which is a huge difference. b) It does a lot more when you're way behind. If you're last at the table and manage to cast the old emrakul, you'd draw an extra card, play an extra land, and then potentially nuke one person before getting taken out of the game. If you're behind with new emrakul, the cast trigger can let you effectively neuter multiple players by using ones resources against the others, and that can definitely steal a game from nowhere. In a multiplayer game, you're almost assured to get better card advantage from this trigger than any of the other big eldrazi for less mana and leave behind like the 3rd best body.
Best card advantage? You can cast and draw 4+ on turn 2 with the old eldrazi. Reliably turn 3. I know because someone in my group plays them as a gen and I had to alter decks to be able to kill it/metalworker that fast. A single mindslaver activation doesn't win a lot of games in my group. Neither will Emrakul 2.0.
Old Emrakul was ban worthy. This one clearly isn't.
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Old emrakul is questionably ban worthy, and practically half of the ban is from bribery, which is actually just another check in the plus column of the new one, that it's much much harder to use against you than the annihilator eldrazi. Also, you adjusted your decks to kill an eldrazi general on turn 2 or 3, the adjustments you made probably can't kill something with protection from instants. You might not die to a mindslaver, but a mindslaver that kills in 2 swings is nothing to shrug at.
At any rate, we'll see how things go. I think original emrakul had so much of a presence because of how obvious its power is (and everyone had a prerelease copy) so everyone just slammed it into any old deck. People seem to think curiously little of the new one and that itself might prevent it from having a major impact.
The first card that I am interested in is Tree of Perdition. Part of it is nostalgic - I loved Tree of Redemption even though it was more derpy than actually good. This tree has a bit of bite to it, and I'll test it in Oloro if I get a hold of it. Maybe one day I will live the dream with a certain hilarious enchantment.
Emrakul, the Promised End and Craterhoof Boarhemoth look good for Animar. Emrakul can be brutal and boar can kill. He is easier to loop with Curio than his big brother and will probably be more affordable.
Karador wants Thalia. Good god that Thalia is nasty. Creatures is one thing but it gets most lands too - it's beautiful. I also like Eldritch Evolution, but I don't think it is as good as the other tutors I run in Karador.
Bruna looks good for Kalemne.
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UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
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Weird, I don't see anything about Bribery here:
http://www.dragonhighlander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5200&sid=c2f55b8b4d88b4e3e012a60cc6a3aebc
No ones going to show and tell Emrakul 2.0 into play. 1.0 is just that much more powerful.
The adjustments I made and the ones you think I made say a lot about us as players, I guess. He can have all the protection he wants. The issue isn't the general, it's the engine. The key was/is killing metalworker(no pro instants there) and fast artifact mana(tutors+stony silence works wonders).
Edit: you keep leaving out the worst part: it gives them an extra turn. Yeah, you get your mindslaver in a 4 person game. IF you don't kill at least one person, you now have 4 turns to wait and deal with a whole table looking at you.
I don't have to like the card. I don't like the card. You love it. Great. But stop being ridiculous with pretending like it's even close to Emrakul 1.0. It's not. I don't even want it to be, I just find it completely underwhelming compared to any other eldrazi. Like every card in this set looks underwhelming compared to other options.
I'm sticking with "we'll see how things go" except for this part. You don't have to wait 4 turns because you're in control of one of them. The extra turn they get is to replace the one you stole. Went you cast new emrakul, you effectively have one more turn than everyone else that round, and you're the person everyone else has to wait for.
Not all commander players are as competitive as you. For instance, I am looking forward to slotting the "ultimate" delver in one of my decks.
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These reprints have some great art.
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That's the thing: I play a full range of decks. My Norin deck is all chaos. Whim of the fates, warp world, omen machine, etc. it is not competitive. I even have a Wrexial deck that is strictly a theme deck with the general altered to president Cthulhu. Nothing goes in that deck if it isn't totally on theme. It's so bad. It's never won a game. But each time I play it, it's fun because I explain why each card is leading to the summoning of the Elder God. I play EDH for all facets of the format, and I'm just totally underwhelmed with this set. Sorry. Seems like some people don't want to hear that. I didn't realize it was New Card Discussion Only if You Like the New Cards.
@Mrdown2urth I did sell a play set of promo's actually. I kept the rest in case I ever play another format where they're useful, and I'd still have a few for EDH.
There are a lot of good things for the first 60-some cards. Meld is possibly the stupidest mechanic ever printed, but that's life. Out of the currently spoiled stuff, I'm almost certainly going to use Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Eldritch Evolution, Geier Reach Sanitarium, and Hanweir Battlements. I'm likely to use Thalia's Lancers and Docent of Perfection somewhere as well and there are a number of cards that fit well with the right deck. Even if nothing else is printed that I have any interest in, 6 cards out of a set is right around the usual. Seeing as there are still 140 cards to be spoiled, I'm expecting one or two more worthwhile ones. It seems way too early to be disappointed in this set.