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Poll: Which WHITE CREATURE should be removed from the list?
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Poll: Which GREEN NONCREATURE should be removed from the list?
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Poll: Which COLORLESS NONCREATURE should be removed from the list?
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It's sad to me that the Dragon gets so little love. It's one of those cards that is useful in practically any board state. You can grab a land in the early game (rather than waiting to only use it when you have 7 mana like you're suggesting), or you can trot out a beater if you draw it late. Playing white? You're likely running a suite of sweepers as well. E-Dragon has built in recursion after you've swept the board clear.
I could make the same obtuse argument as you about Cryptic Command. Why would I pay 4 mana just to counter a spell in this format? It's the flexibility and utility of the card that makes it useful, and Eternal Dragon is great for the same reasons.
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Mirran Crusader - White aggro is often scraping the bottom of the barrel. I will give you that his protections are constitutionally relevant but only as a meta call. I know the amount of white and blue spot removal far exceeds the amount of black spot removal that I see in my own meta. The protection from green is more of a means to connect than to protect him from removal. Hes all right but its one of those build up sort of threats where on his own he isn't that strong. He gets stronger with equipment and sort of builds up. He is ok but white aggro isn't really a strong tactic in the format. The more wraths you see in your meta the worse he gets as well and if you see tons of mazes he gets even worse. I know of a deck that runs Maze of Ith, Mistifying Maze, and Kor Haven all in one deck in my meta. Tower of the Magistrate is also on a rise in my meta so these are sort of a lot of things that could easily hurt his performance as well as they add to the complexity to make him work. I have a lot of people in my meta too who would rather maze a creature attacking someone else than to give me the value of the sword triggers.
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I think during the week one weeks we do have enough to keep it fairly high because there is a lot more discussion to be had. I agree though that in general it was just falling off the first page this week at most times. Its probably for the best to just leave it up for now.
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Tbh, most cases you're better off with Tormod's Crypt, just so you can activate it in response.
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I'm really astounded more people don't play Strionic Resonator, but I guess that's another poll.
Assuming you mean Restoration Angel, that doesn't work because it only allows you to flicker a non-angel creature.
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Yeah, Resto... and yes, I always forget the non-angel clause. That said, white doesn't exactly lack for those sorts of effects.
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Based on the new poll, I'm assuming you mean non-creature spells.
I'm not sure what to remove, as this is a pretty tight list, but I do want to point out there is more to white than removal, and in that spirit, I'd like to nominate Rootborn Defenses for inclusion on the list. Rootborn Defenses protects your stuff from the majority of commonly-played board wipes, which by itself makes it an auto-include in every white deck I build. The token-creation effect only sometimes matters, but when it does, it's a cherry on top.
I feel like she is incredibly more powerful than all of the other white planeswalkers and her versatility is great. She fits really well with weenie creatures and token based decks. I once got her past ult and brought her back up to like 5 loyalty after the ult and it was absolutely fantastic. Her versatility though is really where it is at and she packs a very good punch with every activation she has. In my opinion, she is by far the strongest mono white planeswalker for EDH. The only slight comparison in power to any other walker might be when comparing ults then original elspeth might be stronger but all arround I find Sun's Champ to be a far superior walker.
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If you want to protect your board, Ghostway is way better - for the same cost not only saves you from mass destroy, but also from mass tuck, mass exile, mass steal or what have you. When it comes to added utility (rebuying all EtB effects vs making a single token), Ghostway also wins by a landslide.
As for removing, I voted to remove two cards: Oblivion Ring and Idyllic Tutor.
* Oblivion Ring simply sucks and I have no idea why it remains on the list for that long. Any point removal and you're back to square one; any mass removal and you're cooked - it's not 1vs1, Oblivion Ring just doesn't belong here.
* Idyllic Tutor is probably a forgotten remnant from the old, battlecruiser magic times, when people were playing a lot of overcosted crap. All good tutors cost 1 or 2 mana - if they cost more, they put the card directly on the board (Green Sun's Zenith, Chord of Calling, Wargate etc.) and not into your hand. Even Grim Tutor is borderline if you ask me, and it's a million times better than Idyllic.
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It was something we sort of discussed. From a standpoint of we are always rotating things we liked it pinned. At the same time there was an argument to be made that there are several other threads with similar if not more activity such as the banlist thread discussion that we felt like if we could justify pinning this thread it felt like there were several others that could meet the same justification for pinning them. In the end, we want sort of a conservative approach to pinning resources rather than having another 5+ pinned. The justification to have this thread pinned and those not pinned just felt a little weak and selective to us. Its likely that this page will often be on the first page due to the amount of discussion and we will constantly be dredging it back up even if it slows down as we poke it every week as things rotate. It should still stay on or close to page one almost all the time really. [/quote]
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Voted for Akroma's Vengeance, Oblivion Ring and Martial Coup. Really happy to see O-Ring in the lead, I think it's just terrible.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion (+1) has been nominated.
Gift of Estates has been nominated.
Gift of Immortality has been nominated.
Rootborn Defenses has been nominated.
Solitary Confinement has been nominated.
Tithe has made it to Week 2.
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