Every time someone plays a bounceland, I pray to draw my Slime. I'm just trying to get my playgroup to evolve beyond them, is that so bad?
This mentality boggles my mind. Sure, you want to blow it up for value, it's the right play so do it. But don't make it a moral crusade, because when you start trying to sculpt other peoples decks how much better are you than the guy whining that X is unfair you shouldn't play it.
Bouncelands have plenty of merit, especially in settings with minimal land destruction. They're card advantage, so it's not as if they're just bad ETBT lands that make your manabase more vulnerable. They reuse spell lands like Bojuka Bog when you need them to. There's more than a few reasons to play them.
To answer the thread's question: Everything ever Sharuum plays that does something other than produce mana.
Player B: "No way, dude. Check it out. Player D over there (me) has Gilded Lotus. That thing makes 3 mana. 3 FREAKING MANA off one card."
Player C: "That's true, man. Blow up that Lotus. That thing's gotta go."
Me: Are you serious? He's playing freaking Azami. He's going to be searching for his win cons all game with that freaking Top."
Player A: "Yeah, dude. I'm blowing up your Lotus."
Me: ... *sigh* "Alright, man. Have it your way."
Player B (playing Azami) of course goes on to infinite combo out 4 or 5 turns later. We all lose.
Similar to a game i played.
Me: he's wide Open, Venser has 8 counters on him, Either hit his venser or we are a going to lose. (This guy had also brought us all down to 10 via venser + Magister sphinx)
Everybody else: Oh crap Bryan has rocket launcher, kill him.
Game proceeded that he popped venser and started exiling the board. In turn winning.
I hate losing due to the stupidity of other players. I don't mind losing but when people are stupid to outright give someone a win con.
as for the topic. omnoscienc does need to be killed when it is out. But due to it power there is a good chance it will be banned in EDH soon.
Aura Shards (This card just does to much against most of my decks)
Rites of Flourishing (I don't like games to progress too quickly)
Big Graveyards (People can't have nice things)
Things that I see die WAAAAYYY to often:
Hateflayer: I have seen this killed over Artisan of Kozilek's and I have seen it be the only creature on the field and get wrathed. My playgroup jokes it must be the scariest card in magic because new people kill it instantly
Black Market: It got to the point where I had to take it out of my deck. Once it had 0 counters on it when only a couple creatures on the field and someone blew it up over a mind's eye... I was so confused.
Migosi, the Waterveil: I had a friend put it in his deck and someone else tutored up an acidic slime just to blow it up (no it didn't have a counter on it). I recently put it in my Talrand deck, just for when I play with new players so they can see how turn order works after the ability resolves and such. 2 seperate new players were threatened by it saying I can take an extra turn. Regardless of the fact that it is not abusable...
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For specific cards: pretty much any engine bigger than Gilded Lotus + Voltaic Key. Our play-group is much heavier on board-wipes than single removal spells.
The only ways to consistently win are a) crazy aggro, b)combo out in 1 turn, c) win in 2 turns and have a counterspell for the board wipe or d) drop avacyn and hope no-one has a clone or mind control. Well, I play Ghave and have won a bunch with smokestack, so there's a few other ways too.
Probably the worst is that some players counter the first moderate threat played (like blood artist turn 2 or 3.) and then have nothing for the goblin deck's beast master's ascension.
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Aggro: WUBRGHorde of Notions Goodstuff, RUBCheesy Aggro, GR Xenagod Gruul Goodstuff
Control: GWBGhave, Guru of Adaptability, UBWrexial, Milling Deep UAzami, Lady of No Infinite Combos GWU Derevi, Tempo Beats
Other: URGRiku of Too Much Mana, WUBRG Sliver Queen Enchantress
GU Experiment Kraj- all your abilities belong to us WB Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts- battlecruiser GUB The Mimeoplasm- when graveyards are not safe RGW Mayael the Anima- i luv the fatties
While playing Saffi, I had cast Saffi on my third turn to begin protecting my creatures and a using their abilities. I believe I only had an Elvish Visionary out at that point. Someone else decided to counter Saffi. I asked "Really? Why?" He responded "Cuz I know what she does." "You do know that she needs other creature on the board and that I can recast her for 4 mana, right?" "I know."
Countering cheap generals just because is not a very smart play.
Someone posted their play group's achievement list a while back. My absolute favorite, and one I'd use in a second if my group ever used achievements ourselves, was "burning money" = blowing up a $50+ card with a red spell. Genius.
Things I love to blow up on sight: Teysa, Scion, and especially Thromok.
the amount of hate I see when a player drops mindslaver is super funny in my playgroup. Also Academy Ruins, Sun titan, Crucible of Worlds (one of are players run Into the Forge for this.) ALso as for are elf-stomp player Elvish Archdruid dies everytime.
Someone posted their play group's achievement list a while back. My absolute favorite, and one I'd use in a second if my group ever used achievements ourselves, was "burning money" = blowing up a $50+ card with a red spell. Genius.
Things I love to blow up on sight: Teysa, Scion, and especially Thromok.
Don't kill Thromok! He just wants to give you a 49 point hug!
Don't kill Thromok! He just wants to give you a 49 point hug!
The last game I (Damia) played against Thromok, he ate 10 spider tokens off a dragon lair spider -> Hinder! My friend was a super good sport about it, but I'm sure that was a huge disappointment. Hmm, yummy tears!
The last game I (Damia) played against Thromok, he ate 10 spider tokens off a dragon lair spider -> Hinder! My friend was a super good sport about it, but I'm sure that was a huge disappointment. Hmm, yummy tears!
doesn't work devour doesn't happen until the creature is entering the battlefield and thus already resolving. So he would have kept his spider tokens at least.
I think in my meta its usually the lone card present. Let me explain that If I play a card that draws attention as the lone bomb card, it will soon go. If some drops a mind over matter and then I follow up with a vedalken orrery, my orrery will live because people use their first disenchant on the mind over matter and so on. Also I pop those karoo bouncelands first chance I get...theyre just bad
This mentality boggles my mind. Sure, you want to blow it up for value, it's the right play so do it. But don't make it a moral crusade, because when you start trying to sculpt other peoples decks how much better are you than the guy whining that X is unfair you shouldn't play it.
Bouncelands have plenty of merit, especially in settings with minimal land destruction. They're card advantage, so it's not as if they're just bad ETBT lands that make your manabase more vulnerable. They reuse spell lands like Bojuka Bog when you need them to. There's more than a few reasons to play them.
To answer the thread's question: Everything ever Sharuum plays that does something other than produce mana.
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When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Also..."Someone played their general! Kill it!"
Similar to a game i played.
Me: he's wide Open, Venser has 8 counters on him, Either hit his venser or we are a going to lose. (This guy had also brought us all down to 10 via venser + Magister sphinx)
Everybody else: Oh crap Bryan has rocket launcher, kill him.
Game proceeded that he popped venser and started exiling the board. In turn winning.
I hate losing due to the stupidity of other players. I don't mind losing but when people are stupid to outright give someone a win con.
as for the topic. omnoscienc does need to be killed when it is out. But due to it power there is a good chance it will be banned in EDH soon.
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Aura Shards (This card just does to much against most of my decks)
Rites of Flourishing (I don't like games to progress too quickly)
Big Graveyards (People can't have nice things)
Things that I see die WAAAAYYY to often:
Hateflayer: I have seen this killed over Artisan of Kozilek's and I have seen it be the only creature on the field and get wrathed. My playgroup jokes it must be the scariest card in magic because new people kill it instantly
Black Market: It got to the point where I had to take it out of my deck. Once it had 0 counters on it when only a couple creatures on the field and someone blew it up over a mind's eye... I was so confused.
Migosi, the Waterveil: I had a friend put it in his deck and someone else tutored up an acidic slime just to blow it up (no it didn't have a counter on it). I recently put it in my Talrand deck, just for when I play with new players so they can see how turn order works after the ability resolves and such. 2 seperate new players were threatened by it saying I can take an extra turn. Regardless of the fact that it is not abusable...
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Even Tibalt? Cmon leave the guy alone.
I would think Tibalt would feel honored anyone even considered him a threat.
The only ways to consistently win are a) crazy aggro, b)combo out in 1 turn, c) win in 2 turns and have a counterspell for the board wipe or d) drop avacyn and hope no-one has a clone or mind control. Well, I play Ghave and have won a bunch with smokestack, so there's a few other ways too.
Probably the worst is that some players counter the first moderate threat played (like blood artist turn 2 or 3.) and then have nothing for the goblin deck's beast master's ascension.
Aggro: WUBRGHorde of Notions Goodstuff, RUB Cheesy Aggro, GR Xenagod Gruul Goodstuff
Control: GWBGhave, Guru of Adaptability, UBWrexial, Milling Deep UAzami, Lady of No Infinite Combos GWU Derevi, Tempo Beats
Other: URGRiku of Too Much Mana, WUBRG Sliver Queen Enchantress
GU Experiment Kraj- all your abilities belong to us
WB Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts- battlecruiser
GUB The Mimeoplasm- when graveyards are not safe
RGW Mayael the Anima- i luv the fatties
Countering cheap generals just because is not a very smart play.
Things I love to blow up on sight: Teysa, Scion, and especially Thromok.
"Personally I love high-riak, low-reqars gambles. Life's best with a decent amount of riak. And f*** reqars."
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Don't kill Thromok! He just wants to give you a 49 point hug!
The last game I (Damia) played against Thromok, he ate 10 spider tokens off a dragon lair spider -> Hinder! My friend was a super good sport about it, but I'm sure that was a huge disappointment. Hmm, yummy tears!
"Personally I love high-riak, low-reqars gambles. Life's best with a decent amount of riak. And f*** reqars."
doesn't work devour doesn't happen until the creature is entering the battlefield and thus already resolving. So he would have kept his spider tokens at least.
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I wasn't clear in my post; I hindered thromok before he became 100/100 (still fine by me). The board was wrathed a turn later or so, so same diff.
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