While I personally don't think that the card is anywhere near worth banning on a global scale, I support a local group's right to sculpt their experience how best works for them. I also think the two polar answers of "stop whining" and "run more answers, n00b" are worthless and a waste of time.
Acidic Slime has a CMC of 5. Terastadon is 8. However, it takes 3 Slimes to equal the ETB effect of 1 Terastadon, and 4.5 Slimes to equal the power a single Terry, which we'll average and round to 4. On the other hand, Terry grants 3 elephant tokens at 3/3. Yet you're trading a 3/3 for an opponents best artifact, land, enchantment, or planeswalker, so this hardly matters, or if you're planning around it you can turn it to your advantage, so we'll call it a -2. Therefore, putting it all together you get 4(5)-2 = 18. Therefore, the Terastodon is 18 times better than Acidic Slime.
Holy guacamole, this is almost impossibly flawed logic!!! First off, it is trying to prove which is more powerful, not which is better. Secondly, it doesn't take into account availability and the weighted gain of playing resource denial/permanent destruction as early as possible! And then it completely fails to take into account the death touch on Acidic Slime!
Terastadon is better than Acidic Slime if the following: Your mana is not of consequence, AND you have allowed 3 or more permanents to accrue on your opponents boards that require immediate removal (bad strategy in general), AND your opponents (all of them combined) have no removal spells (unlikely) AND having a 9/9 vanilla body with no evasion is better than having a death touching, disposable monster sitting back keeping your opponents best guys at bay.
For the record, the scenario I have painted is incredibly narrow. The bottom line is that Terastadon is a borderline playable card that should not end up in (m)any optimized decklists, but serves as solid filler as you accrue the necessary cards to complete your deck. Acidic Slime is a staple that should be run in almost every deck that taps for G.
Terrastodon can be a pretty mean card, knocking out all of an already behind player's lands or cutting off the only thing giving a player a needed color can be a dick move. Terrastodon can also remove problem artifacts, enchantments, and planeswalkers. It also costs a decent bit to cast. There's also far worse things that could be cheated into play or reanimated.
One of my most memorable games came from Terrastodon on an opponent's mimic vat. It was hilarious.
So your friend builds a deck with the idea of abusing Terastodon and people suggest you to play Torpor Orb, Humility and the like to hose him. Doesn't that kind of proves his point?
Not particularly. Torpor Orb and Humility both hose a majority of the staple creatures in the format. They don't get played that often because most people want to run those staple creatures, too, not simply hose them.
Terastadon is only broken with leyline of the void vor R.I.P, otherwise its meh. It can be blinked sure. So just heros downfall it or board wipe or something
I run Terastodon as well, but I (almost) never hit lands with it. I use it to hit artifacts, enchantments, and planeswalkers. It will only hit lands if they are problematic lands such as Maze of Ith. And the fact that it makes Elephant tokens is actually relevant. If someone uses it to strictly destroy someones lands, then blame the action and not the card. After all, it is a may ability.
I have had someone use Terastodon to bomb my lands. My response usually falls somewhere under "well I know where those elephants are headed now." Let me tell you that it is a GREAT feeling to kill the gu with the elephant tokens hehe.
I will hit a Gaea's cradle too. If i cannot use Tolarian Academy in an artifact deck, then you should not be allowed to use Gaea's cradle in an elf deck.
actually I think the best way to use gilded drake is to play it and sac it right off, exile it to your mimic vat, then steal every good/relevant creature on the board
How do you sacrifice it and get the swapped creature? If you sacrifice Gilded Drake before the trigger resolves, then you will not get the targeted creature. Are you saying that you just want to play it to sacrifice it asap and not steal anything?
Terastadon is only broken with leyline of the void vor R.I.P, otherwise its meh. It can be blinked sure. So just heros downfall it or board wipe or something
Wut? It's "broken with graveyard hate but can be blinked so we should just use removal on it"?
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I'm too worried that Bane of Progress is going to kill my nice stuff, so I will run this guy ahead of BoP. Plus this card in someone's deck makes for a fun Bribery target. A classic EDH card.
Normally I'd ignore this as a necro thread (6 years, WOW), but Terastodon is great value. I can see why a playgroup would meta-ban it, but it seems like the sort of knee jerk reaction a group would make to someone who's getting trigger happy with it and crushing manabases unfairly. In which case the better course of action is to talk to said person and tell them to pull their head in unless they want to be archenemied. Or destroy their Conjurer's Closet, Deadeye Navigator, Eldrazi Displacer or other ETB abusers.
Aside from flagrant abuse to screw with otherwise non-threatening manabases, I have no problem using this to hit a nonbasic - I'm quite happy to wreck an Urborg/Coffers, a Cradle or other degenerate abuses of big mana in the name of pulling someone back down to earth.
its dropped off dramatically in my play group because of how badly we abuse the elephants it creates. yeah sure sometimes it sucks when its like a t2 natural order into one, but its not insurmountable
its dropped off dramatically in my play group because of how badly we abuse the elephants it creates. yeah sure sometimes it sucks when its like a t2 natural order into one, but its not insurmountable
its dropped off dramatically in my play group because of how badly we abuse the elephants it creates. yeah sure sometimes it sucks when its like a t2 natural order into one, but its not insurmountable
Would you all insta target lands that early on?
Lol I would. Without even thinking twice. I miss Sylvan Primordial lol and the turn 2 Natural Orders. Terastodon is the single reason why I never take off Momentous Fall in my decks.
The most ban-worthy green fatty in the format right now is Craterhoof Behemoth, and many people have started just cutting him (?) from their own decks because he's a boring win con. Frankly, in my Selvala, Heart of the Wilds deck, Terastodon isn't even close to the most powerful creature. If your meta has lots of decks that abuse blinking and bouncing for etb effects, then y'all need to adjust your decks to deal with that strategy. That's part of what makes magic fun, adjusting to your metagame. If everything that gets annoying is just house-banned, you're missing a big part of what makes this game interesting, in my opinion.
The most ban-worthy green fatty in the format right now is Craterhoof Behemoth, and many people have started just cutting him (?) from their own decks because he's a boring win con. Frankly, in my Selvala, Heart of the Wilds deck, Terastodon isn't even close to the most powerful creature. If your meta has lots of decks that abuse blinking and bouncing for etb effects, then y'all need to adjust your decks to deal with that strategy. That's part of what makes magic fun, adjusting to your metagame. If everything that gets annoying is just house-banned, you're missing a big part of what makes this game interesting, in my opinion.
Absolutely and wholeheartedly agree. Look for answers to a problem before deciding that there aren't any.
This one time, I was playing an Azami deck. I had to Pact of Negation something after playing Azami. That's fine, right, since it's turn 6, I had a Sapphire Medallion to discount some spells, and 6 lands going on 7 next turn. Here came Terastedon to bring that down to 3 lands.
I wouldnt go for a ban, though i have many gripes with this card
I would never use it because
Green is already powerful enough in removal
I dont get its ability with its art.... like why does it does destroy noncreature permanent? Because its big and heavy and steps on them? why not on creatures? why lands too? then why does it leave 3 elephants? Like, its ability doesn't make sense
its like almost every green deck, though there is a lot of cards are in almost in "whichever color deck" for example, phyrexian arena, sun titan...
I have been in receiving end of being used ruthlessly so i do get annoyed when it being used in whatever ways nowadays
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It was just an example. Bribery is an analogue in the case of Terastodon.
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Holy guacamole, this is almost impossibly flawed logic!!! First off, it is trying to prove which is more powerful, not which is better. Secondly, it doesn't take into account availability and the weighted gain of playing resource denial/permanent destruction as early as possible! And then it completely fails to take into account the death touch on Acidic Slime!
Terastadon is better than Acidic Slime if the following: Your mana is not of consequence, AND you have allowed 3 or more permanents to accrue on your opponents boards that require immediate removal (bad strategy in general), AND your opponents (all of them combined) have no removal spells (unlikely) AND having a 9/9 vanilla body with no evasion is better than having a death touching, disposable monster sitting back keeping your opponents best guys at bay.
For the record, the scenario I have painted is incredibly narrow. The bottom line is that Terastadon is a borderline playable card that should not end up in (m)any optimized decklists, but serves as solid filler as you accrue the necessary cards to complete your deck. Acidic Slime is a staple that should be run in almost every deck that taps for G.
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One of my most memorable games came from Terrastodon on an opponent's mimic vat. It was hilarious.
The card is fine.
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Not particularly. Torpor Orb and Humility both hose a majority of the staple creatures in the format. They don't get played that often because most people want to run those staple creatures, too, not simply hose them.
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If Terastodon isn't fun for them, then fine. No skin off my back. I can understand why it can be a little annoying.
I will hit a Gaea's cradle too. If i cannot use Tolarian Academy in an artifact deck, then you should not be allowed to use Gaea's cradle in an elf deck.
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How do you sacrifice it and get the swapped creature? If you sacrifice Gilded Drake before the trigger resolves, then you will not get the targeted creature. Are you saying that you just want to play it to sacrifice it asap and not steal anything?
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And not even with a relevant reply. From a first time poster too. Joke account, I'm pretty sure.
Wut? It's "broken with graveyard hate but can be blinked so we should just use removal on it"?
That's like saying "Guys, Survival of the Fittest is okay because I play Lightning Bolt."
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Aside from flagrant abuse to screw with otherwise non-threatening manabases, I have no problem using this to hit a nonbasic - I'm quite happy to wreck an Urborg/Coffers, a Cradle or other degenerate abuses of big mana in the name of pulling someone back down to earth.
As far as banning though, there are plenty of worse offenders as has already been pointed out.
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Would you all insta target lands that early on?
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Lol I would. Without even thinking twice. I miss Sylvan Primordial lol and the turn 2 Natural Orders. Terastodon is the single reason why I never take off Momentous Fall in my decks.
Absolutely and wholeheartedly agree. Look for answers to a problem before deciding that there aren't any.
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I would never use it because
Green is already powerful enough in removal
I dont get its ability with its art.... like why does it does destroy noncreature permanent? Because its big and heavy and steps on them? why not on creatures? why lands too? then why does it leave 3 elephants? Like, its ability doesn't make sense
its like almost every green deck, though there is a lot of cards are in almost in "whichever color deck" for example, phyrexian arena, sun titan...
I have been in receiving end of being used ruthlessly so i do get annoyed when it being used in whatever ways nowadays