Taking a crack at a Sigarda, Host of Herons deck, and one of the fundamental things I need to decide is which is the stronger route to go between auras and equipments. The two options, as I see them, are:
1) Auras, with an enchantress package of Argothian Enchantress et al for card advantage.
2) Equipments, with Stoneforge Mystic and the appropriate Swords of X and Y.
Sorry that I don't have a vote for you, but I'm gonna break it down a bit in how I see it.
Auras, with Enchantresses: Auras are naturally card disadvantage with a few exceptions, but with the Enchantresses you cantrip all of them, and you should be running Replenish etc anyway.
Equipment: They tend to be stronger cards in general, but in my mind are a touch slower because you have to cast and equip. You need creatures to enchant with Auras, fair enough.
If budget is an issue, I would think Enchantress is easier to go with, because other than Argothian and maybe a couple of other cards, the cards are pretty cheap.
Cawblade was a deck, but Legacy or w/e has the Enchantress deck...
Equipment is more versatile. What if you don't have Sigarda and have auras in hand? Do you cast them on other creatures? Equipment takes that con out of the equation.
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I also won't vote, but it is because I tend to run both. Equipment cards tend to be more resilient, but as Sanity said slower, while auras are relatively fragile except in a few cases, but running some of both can also deal with a) budget issues, and b) dealing with removal. If someone is playing a lot of artifact removal but not a lot of enchantment removal, you fish for your auras, and vice versa. In green/white there are auras that are no brainers for a voltron deck, but there are also equipment cards that I would be loathe to leave out for lesser enchantments, and the same goes the other way.
Bhaelfur pointed out another reason for running both; you can hang on to your auras while you wait to drop Sigarda (which doesn't take very long), but if you have a sword in your hand you can throw it out and toss it on anything you have in play, and then move it later to Sigarda when you are ready to pull her out.
You could run with the Enchantress theme but I myself would always have the nagging feeling that Uril, the Mistwalker would be better with Sigarda, Host of Herons as 1 of the 99. But that's just me.
I voted equipment but I honestly think both are needed. I would run them both. Then again you also have options. You COULD run a GW enchantress control deck that finishes with sigarda after creating fort/soft locks. Usually people shy away from auras because of 2 for 1s but with sigarda, barring mass wipes, that's not a worry.
It seems that most people are considering the two choices, enchantress or equipment, as if they were played the same way. If you are playing enchantress like a voltron deck, it's not going to be as good as an equipment-based voltron deck. But the real question is whether that's what you want to play. Enchantress can be very good, but you have to commit to it. Sure, if you're playing voltron, you'll still want to throw in Shield of the Oversoul and probably Indrik Umbra, but "enchantress" is a very different deck.
Enchantress lends itself to stronger controlling elements that try to lock up your opponents, limiting their ability to deal with your board state. So if you want to play a deck where you just play dangerous creatures and turn them sideways, the equipment is definitely the way to go. But if you would rather engage in a more subtle conflict of control and dominance, I'd recommend enchantress. I'd also recommend going with a more enchantress-friendly general like Gaddock Teeg.
I too am not going to vote because i agree with a previous conclusion: the two are very different play styles, and both very capable.
Whichever is "Stronger" is subjective to the pilot.
That being said, my Sigarda deck runs what is most important from both packages. Shield of the Oversoul etc, plus some select few enchantment tutors & the Swords of X&Y / boots for equipments.
Rather than going an enchantress build OR a full blown equipment build, my deck is more tax/stax/pillowfort Voltron deck and i get my card advantage from things like Skull Clamping lots of tokens.
The deck focuses around resiliency and takes the best of both equipment/enchantment worlds to make it more powerful.
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Go equipment, but throw in all the enchant creatures that are good enough to go in despite the inherent disadvantage.
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Seriously though, just run the best of both of them. I dont think you have to devote yourself so completely to one or the other. Generally speaking I dont think the enchantment draw a card things work out that well anyways. I have a thrun deck and I have to say.... just do both.
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I run a Bant-colored Enchantress-style deck, and I think, that as long as you have the requisite protection and recursion, Enchantments are the way to go. You need to build your deck around it, if you want to rely on them, though.
The enchantresses really do a lot to make it better.
Seriously though, just run the best of both of them. I dont think you have to devote yourself so completely to one or the other. Generally speaking I dont think the enchantment draw a card things work out that well anyways. I have a thrun deck and I have to say.... just do both.
I think you have to focus on one or the other, because you can play narrow but strong cards like replenish, and those cards get much weaker if your deck isn't tuned for them.
I think you have to focus on one or the other, because you can play narrow but strong cards like replenish, and those cards get much weaker if your deck isn't tuned for them.
The thing is, SFM and an equipment package is what - six or seven slots? You don't have to warp your deck around it at all, and it still leaves you a ton of room for the Enchantress stuff.
And hey- who says Argothian Enchantress can't pick up a Sword?
Run both.
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Taking a crack at a Sigarda, Host of Herons deck, and one of the fundamental things I need to decide is which is the stronger route to go between auras and equipments. The two options, as I see them, are:
1) Auras, with an enchantress package of Argothian Enchantress et al for card advantage.
2) Equipments, with Stoneforge Mystic and the appropriate Swords of X and Y.
Which, in your opinion, is the stronger route?
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Auras, with Enchantresses: Auras are naturally card disadvantage with a few exceptions, but with the Enchantresses you cantrip all of them, and you should be running Replenish etc anyway.
Equipment: They tend to be stronger cards in general, but in my mind are a touch slower because you have to cast and equip. You need creatures to enchant with Auras, fair enough.
If budget is an issue, I would think Enchantress is easier to go with, because other than Argothian and maybe a couple of other cards, the cards are pretty cheap.
Cawblade was a deck, but Legacy or w/e has the Enchantress deck...
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Bhaelfur pointed out another reason for running both; you can hang on to your auras while you wait to drop Sigarda (which doesn't take very long), but if you have a sword in your hand you can throw it out and toss it on anything you have in play, and then move it later to Sigarda when you are ready to pull her out.
I say run both.
You could run with the Enchantress theme but I myself would always have the nagging feeling that Uril, the Mistwalker would be better with Sigarda, Host of Herons as 1 of the 99. But that's just me.
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Enchantress lends itself to stronger controlling elements that try to lock up your opponents, limiting their ability to deal with your board state. So if you want to play a deck where you just play dangerous creatures and turn them sideways, the equipment is definitely the way to go. But if you would rather engage in a more subtle conflict of control and dominance, I'd recommend enchantress. I'd also recommend going with a more enchantress-friendly general like Gaddock Teeg.
Whichever is "Stronger" is subjective to the pilot.
That being said, my Sigarda deck runs what is most important from both packages. Shield of the Oversoul etc, plus some select few enchantment tutors & the Swords of X&Y / boots for equipments.
Rather than going an enchantress build OR a full blown equipment build, my deck is more tax/stax/pillowfort Voltron deck and i get my card advantage from things like Skull Clamping lots of tokens.
The deck focuses around resiliency and takes the best of both equipment/enchantment worlds to make it more powerful.
EDH:
Currently Piloting:
Dama, Sage of Stone | Karador, Ghost Chieftan | Sigarda, Host of Herons | Elbrus, the Binding Blade / Withengar Unbound | Grand Arbiter Augustin IV | Genju of the Realm | Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
3WR jor kadeen, the prevailer weenies and extra combat forever
3RR zirilan of the claw dragons and damage doublers
4:SymRG::SymRG: wort, the raidmother burn is now EDH viable
2WU kangee, aerie keeper birds
1UBR jeleva, nephalia's scourge spellslinger/storm
here are the mana costs of generals i no longer play: 2BR3BB3UBG4UB:SymUB::SymUB:2URRG3WWU2UU2GGUUBGG
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Seriously though, just run the best of both of them. I dont think you have to devote yourself so completely to one or the other. Generally speaking I dont think the enchantment draw a card things work out that well anyways. I have a thrun deck and I have to say.... just do both.
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The enchantresses really do a lot to make it better.
Equipments go everywhere.
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I think you have to focus on one or the other, because you can play narrow but strong cards like replenish, and those cards get much weaker if your deck isn't tuned for them.
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The thing is, SFM and an equipment package is what - six or seven slots? You don't have to warp your deck around it at all, and it still leaves you a ton of room for the Enchantress stuff.
And hey- who says Argothian Enchantress can't pick up a Sword?
Run both.
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Well, shroud, right?
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