MTG Salvation

Hey.

Not necessarily looking for the quickest general to come into play and start chipping away. I'm looking for a general that can hit the board and deal 21 damage ASAP.

The benchmark for both questions is this.

*Averaging a 2 turn kill.
*3 turn is just acceptable.
*1 turn kill...who does this?

Two criteria.
1) What generals can in their own right deal this amount of combat damage?

2) What generals can with a realistic two card combo (for the sake of consistency) from enchantment, equipment etc... deal 21 general damage

I've used plenty of decks with the general as the focal point just never combat damage focused.

Cheers.

You can build a pretty quick Rafiq of the Many deck. He does draw hate, but turn 1 dork will get him out turn 3 and swinging with some low costing enchantments turn 4. Also, Sovereigns of Lost Alara with Rafiq out ends games if it fetchs Eldrazi Conscription. Run ramp and excel and it should be pretty damn quick.

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1) What generals can in their own right deal this amount of combat damage?

Any of them with 7 or higher power, plus Gisela and Rafiq (and a couple others conditionally, like Vorosh or Multani). Karrthus and Maelstrom Wanderer both have haste, which shaves a turn off their clock without resorting to greaves/etc.

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2) What generals can with a realistic two card combo (for the sake of consistency) from enchantment, equipment etc... deal 21 general damage

Does Eldrazi Conscription count? Because... realistically only Azami and Skeleton Ship are not a 2-hit KO when enchanted with Conscription.

White and blue can both cheat Conscription into play with a few different cards. Green can ramp into the 8 mana (and can cheat, too). Red has some big rituals, and black has rituals plus Coffers.

Skithyx, the blight dragon..

fastest 10 damage general.

Vorsh the hunter can do it in 3 on his own and anything that gives him 3 power and he can do it in two. Plus he is the 3 best colors in EDH.

Scion of the urdragon can one hit kill through (flying) blockers with Moltensteel dragon and dragon tyrrant in deck (activate urdragon twice, first find moltensteel and activate it 5 times (or if you need to hammer through blockers abit more) and then fetch dragon tyrrant)... People generally calls that 1 card combo...

Progenitus backed with Rafiq of the Many is a one-shot. I have seen a deck in which all cards were either ramping to get Progenitus out, a few Haste-granting Enchantments (Lightning Greaves and such don't work on Progenitus after all), and tutors & recursion to nab Rafiq and keep him in play. Since it's 5 colour, you can make sure you run all the best cards. Given that Progenitus can't be chump-blocked or dealt with by spot removal/Maze of Ith, it's pretty amazing.

Lord of Tresserhorn + any boost is a two hit kill

I'm surprised nobody mentioned animar, soul of elements. He combos his way into a one hit kill pretty quick.

Thromok the insatiable can kill in as many or as few attack steps as you please.

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Rafiq + Finest Hour = 24 Commander damage if unblocked.

i count only 20 general damage?

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i count only 20 general damage?

Exalted triggers are until EOT, and both Rafiq and Finest Hour will trigger again during the second combat phase. So 3+1+1+DS = 10 for the first. 5+1+1+DS=14 for the second. And 24 total.

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i count only 20 general damage?

Rafiq starts as 3/3 and swings, two exalted triggers and doublestrike makes for 10 damage. Finest hour brings a second combat phase, two more exalted triggers make Rafiq 7/7 and swings for another 14 to get 24 total.

Not sure how much combo you'd want to use but both Ghave, Guru of Spores and Ulasht, the Hate Seed can be built to lethal power of commander (or any) damage easily using such methods, and still be very aggression-oriented lists.

volrath the fallen can be a one hit kill if you're packing draco otherwise it's an easy 2 hit kill

Godo, Bandit Warlord fetching Grafted Exoskeleton is 10 poison in one attack.

I used to have an Adamaro, First to Desire list that was entirely all in on Adamaro. Using Moxes and rituals the deck got Adamaro out turn 2 70% of the time and turn 1 20% of the time. The remaining 10% was the times he had haste. The most amazing opening I ever had with the deck, and I don't remember the exact combination of cards that did it, but it was him with Assault Strobe targetting him and under Greaves for 14 general damage before my opponent had even played a land.

Still have an Adamaro deck but catching a Path to Exile after having speant 4+ cards to get him out early gave my opponents all the time in the world so it's much different now.

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Animar, Soul of Elements. He combos his way into a one hit kill pretty quick.

I'll second Animar. Turn 3 or 4 kills via general damage can be achieved consistently with a well tuned deck.

Why do 21 when you can do 40 with all your creatures?

Signed
Edric, Spymaster of Trest.

Any of the 3XXX 6/6 Dragons such as Intet, the Dreamer and Crosis, the Purger can easily tutor for Inquisitor's Flail and Fireshrieker, making them a 2-turn flying clock.

Thraximundar with any sort of effect such as Gratuitous Violence or Rage Reflection can kill really quickly.

A second card that makes rafiq one shot is might of oaks.

I also second thromok. Even if he cant swing, he can devour 7 tokens (or less depending) and one shot people with warstorm surge or soul's fire.

A general I think that is worth mentioning outside of one shotting right away is uril. He usually swings twice, but he is so hard to remove it doesn't even matter.

I've seen Kiku, Night's Flower kill turn 2. Any general with access to B can kill in one turn thanks to Hatred.

Uril, The Miststalker always has fast wins for me....

My favorites:
+7 tokens Thromok the Insatiable+Pandemonium/Warstorm Surge+ Fling
Pandemonium and or Warstorm Surge can knock out someone, or 2 if you have both. Attack, you should have some haste with red, and then fling him to finish someone off.

Seems complex to assemble, but with thromok you're just playing token swarm and Pandemonium, Warstorm Surge, and Electropotence for redundancy.

Bruna, Light of Alabaster+Traumatize yourself before you attack next turn, you should be able to slap enough auras on to get 21 damage.

Rafiq of the Many+ Might of Oaks 11 damage double striking to 22 general. On of the simplest, you just need evasion or to hit someone with out creatures.

Had been playing this with Cromat, but would work with a handful of other 5 colour generals:

General + Insidious Dreams (for 3) or Congregation at Dawn

Finding Maestrom Wanderer, Rafiq of the Many and Gisela.

So still technically 2 cards but you need to tutor for more. Cool that you set it up at instant speed though. Try to look very inconspicuous with just your general and a sword lying around for best results.