I have a few tutors for my EDH deck so far, but i need more, i have Diabolic and Demonic Tutor, i want many more that are budget, so no imperial seals or anything like that, also i'm not sure what the best black control general is, i like having a lot of control but not being hated out or targeted. If anyone has any suggestions please help.
unless your deck is based on nothing but one or two combos, why do you need that many tutors?
If your deck has a few combos that are nice but on which your deck doesn't depend, as well as simply a high synergy between cards, ain't raw card draw superior?
Tutors let you get whatever card you need at the time you need it.
In my Mikaeus, the unhallowed deck I run Increasing ambition. Can tutor for 3 cards with it and in edh the mana cost does not matter all that much. As for a fun powerful black commander I love my Mikaues deck. He combos well too.
if you play Skithiryx see if you store has house ruled 15 or 20 infect. my store did that after i played Skittles alot.
Why don't you just rule that that no one can ever die so people can continue to play with their toy? People complain and do this because they refuse to have to respond to any sort of early pressure so they conspire to just remove it as a valid strategy. Wonderful.
On topic, playing mono-black to its best requires expensive cards. If you aren't willing to invest you might want to look elsewhere.
Why don't you just rule that that no one can ever die so people can continue to play with their toy? People complain and do this because they refuse to have to respond to any sort of early pressure so they conspire to just remove it as a valid strategy. Wonderful.
On topic, playing mono-black to its best requires expensive cards. If you aren't willing to invest you might want to look elsewhere.
Eh. EDH is a social contract format. If the overwhelming majority seriously dislikes a particular strategy, things like this are what's supposed to happen. Sure, everyone else can get more competitive, but that may not be the game that everyone else wants to play.
And while I agree that monoblack is at its best with expensive cards, the same can be said of most monocolor (scratch that, all) edh decks. I've seen plenty of budget monoblack decks work.
@tutor discussion: Any truly competitive black deck will pretty much try to play the maximum amount of tutors they can, because tutors are amazing in a singleton format. However, I find them a bit boring when run in excess, so I try to limit myself.
While I've never played monoblack before, I'd personally run Xiahou-Dun (no budget) or Korlash/Mikhaeus (budget). I generally don't like generals that require copious amounts of mana in black, unless you're gameplan's to go for Coffers every game (which isn't my thing, personally).
@tutor discussion: Any truly competitive black deck will pretty much try to play the maximum amount of tutors they can, because tutors are amazing in a singleton format. However, I find them a bit boring when run in excess, so I try to limit myself.
I'm of the belief that if you're playing mono-black control you should be running around 15 tutors. The complement the game-plan perfectly.
15. All of the transmutes, in addition to being very useful on their own get hard tutors meaning you're only a few mana away from what you want at any time. Card advantage doesn't matter when you can get what you want when you need it. Tutors allow you to answer players and not their threats and is an overall better strategy for Mono-Black.
MBC works perfectly fine without $200-$800 Portal cards. No reason not to have Beseech the Queen and Rune-Scarred Demon in addition to the Demonic and Diabolic. Expedition Map is very handy for searching out Cabal Coffers; MBC does shine more greatly if you have a coffers.
What? No love for Diabolic Intent?
I found this card really usefull, the mana cost is really low and the cost of the creature is trivial.
And let's face it, real mono-black player love to sacrifice creature...
Maybe it's okay in Endrek or Shirei, but I have less than 20 creatures in my monoblack deck. They either have CIP abilities and then NEED to chump block (because my meta's pretty aggro) or are larger creatures that I need for the end game.
Sure, the cost is low, but it's still a 1-for-2. I'm not ruling it out; I would just rather have it in a deck that can utilize it most.
Transmute cards are great options, even if they are a bit more limited than some of the better options. In EDH I usually have enough mana that I'm quite fine with dropping a Shred Memory to go find Demonic Tutor if need be.
Liliana Vess is slower than some as the card doesn't go into your hand, but she's fairly inexpensive these days and can probably be acquired in trade for a few skittles (the candy...not the dragon) and a mountain dew.
15. All of the transmutes, in addition to being very useful on their own get hard tutors meaning you're only a few mana away from what you want at any time.
Transmutes slow? While yes they are a tad bit slower than the most expensive tutors, in the right deck they can be utilized almost as well as the hard tutors. As long as you have about 2 targets for the transmutes they are fine additions to any B/X deck.
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Maybe it's okay in Endrek or Shirei, but I have less than 20 creatures in my monoblack deck. They either have CIP abilities and then NEED to chump block (because my meta's pretty aggro) or are larger creatures that I need for the end game.
Sure, the cost is low, but it's still a 1-for-2. I'm not ruling it out; I would just rather have it in a deck that can utilize it most.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
You know you can only use black cards right? You act like mono black has so many silver bullets that running a million tutors will be a good strategy. The best thing you can tutor to kill an enchantment is oblivion stone, which conveniently also answers other threats.
EDH: Prime Speaker Zegana,
Tutors let you get whatever card you need at the time you need it.
Maga, Traitor to Mortals, Xiahou-Dun, the One-Eyed, Geth, Lord of the Vault, and Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief are the most played Black generals.
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if you play Skithiryx see if you store has house ruled 15 or 20 infect. my store did that after i played Skittles alot.
Why don't you just rule that that no one can ever die so people can continue to play with their toy? People complain and do this because they refuse to have to respond to any sort of early pressure so they conspire to just remove it as a valid strategy. Wonderful.
On topic, playing mono-black to its best requires expensive cards. If you aren't willing to invest you might want to look elsewhere.
Eh. EDH is a social contract format. If the overwhelming majority seriously dislikes a particular strategy, things like this are what's supposed to happen. Sure, everyone else can get more competitive, but that may not be the game that everyone else wants to play.
And while I agree that monoblack is at its best with expensive cards, the same can be said of most monocolor (scratch that, all) edh decks. I've seen plenty of budget monoblack decks work.
@tutor discussion: Any truly competitive black deck will pretty much try to play the maximum amount of tutors they can, because tutors are amazing in a singleton format. However, I find them a bit boring when run in excess, so I try to limit myself.
While I've never played monoblack before, I'd personally run Xiahou-Dun (no budget) or Korlash/Mikhaeus (budget). I generally don't like generals that require copious amounts of mana in black, unless you're gameplan's to go for Coffers every game (which isn't my thing, personally).
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I'm of the belief that if you're playing mono-black control you should be running around 15 tutors. The complement the game-plan perfectly.
Wat...?
Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Grim Tutor, Imperial Seal, probably Beseech the Queen and maybe Entomb should be played in every black deck.
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Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
Vampiric Tutor
Imperial Seal
Expedition Map
Shred Memory ~> Demonic Tutor
Dimir Machintions ~> Grim Tutor
Dimir House Guard ~> Diabolic Tutor
Liliana Vess
Brainspoil ~> Increasing Ambition
Netherborn Phalanx ~> Beseech the Queen
Rune-Scarred Demon
15. All of the transmutes, in addition to being very useful on their own get hard tutors meaning you're only a few mana away from what you want at any time. Card advantage doesn't matter when you can get what you want when you need it. Tutors allow you to answer players and not their threats and is an overall better strategy for Mono-Black.
I found this card really usefull, the mana cost is really low and the cost of the creature is trivial.
And let's face it, real mono-black player love to sacrifice creature...
Sure, the cost is low, but it's still a 1-for-2. I'm not ruling it out; I would just rather have it in a deck that can utilize it most.
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Liliana Vess is slower than some as the card doesn't go into your hand, but she's fairly inexpensive these days and can probably be acquired in trade for a few skittles (the candy...not the dragon) and a mountain dew.
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Transmutes, Rune-Scarred Demon, Increasing Ambition, and Liliana Vess are way too slow. Diabolic Tutor is very close to being too slow.
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UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
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(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
Transmutes slow? While yes they are a tad bit slower than the most expensive tutors, in the right deck they can be utilized almost as well as the hard tutors. As long as you have about 2 targets for the transmutes they are fine additions to any B/X deck.
On the topic of MBC generals, Kagemaro, First to Suffer is an excellent choice.
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Diabolic Intent on Mindslicer is the most ballin way to go with it.
Why dont you just run some good tutors and get a temporal aperture mirari or planar portal if you don't have anything better to get.
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Lol I did and it's in my MBC deck.
That, and in monoblack, you are ussually okay with things going into the graveyard.
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