I don't understand why. cultivate and crucible are some of the 2(+) for 1's I'm talking about. and that still doesn't takw care of crucible. seems bad man. I really don't see what toyre getting at. plus if the stax player plays a devestation? why?
It's a decent sweeper if your meta is creature heavy and you're running red, though If you're in black I'd almost always run pox and death cloud over it.
And it's stax. You should more mana rocks then the table, more more land-o is always yeah good.
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Since a lot of the main cards being played like Smokestack and Winter Orb, O-Stone etc, what about All Is Dus, plus toss in some blue cards that make things colored and destroy a mana base too.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
I've had some success with a Glissa the Traitor stax deck.
It was built around the typical Smokestack, Tangle Wire, sphere's package with plenty of black sweepers and artifact mana.
The ability to recur your artifacts was very strong and her low casting cost was often very relevant. So I think she should be a consideration as general or at least a card.
Ultimately my deck came apart after losing Sundering and Primeval Titan.
Some of the challenges I found that we should address:
- Keeping control once you've got it can be difficult with multiple players and high life totals. My deck in particular couldn't finish exceedingly fast so there were games when I gained a nice advantage with stax shenanigan's but couldn't finish off 3 players before someone broke my hold.
- Playing from behind. As others mentioned there are some blazing starts and huge plays in EDH. We are going to need a game plan for when we find ourselves behind immediately or missing a resource entirely (No hand, no yard, no general etc)
- Consistency, right cards in the right order. The games I lost hard with the glissa deck were the ones where I got the wrong pieces or wrong order. With 99 cards I think we need a strong tutor packs to make sure we get what we need when its relevant.
- Keeping control once you've got it can be difficult with multiple players and high life totals. My deck in particular couldn't finish exceedingly fast so there were games when I gained a nice advantage with stax shenanigan's but couldn't finish off 3 players before someone broke my hold.
I agree that this can sometimes be a problem, but if you have white in your stax lists, then planeswalkers can be a vital win-con. Elspeth 1.0, Gideon, Sorin 2.0 can all pull their weight. I can't tell you how many times I've won off those emblems Sorin makes pumping a bitterblossom token carrying a sword. Also if your in blue, Cyclonic Rift usually means a victory, most opponents can't handle it followed by land destruction, wheel effects, etc.
- Playing from behind. As others mentioned there are some blazing starts and huge plays in EDH. We are going to need a game plan for when we find ourselves behind immediately or missing a resource entirely (No hand, no yard, no general etc)
If I am completely behind then I have no problem burning a tutor to go grab Cataclysm or something of that order. Usually that card is one of the best, at least in my Lady Evangela, for resetting a board state.
- Consistency, right cards in the right order. The games I lost hard with the glissa deck were the ones where I got the wrong pieces or wrong order. With 99 cards I think we need a strong tutor packs to make sure we get what we need when its relevant.
Running blue in your stax deck helps this a lot. Cards like Lim-Dûl's Vault and even little cards like Compulsion can smooth draws and help get you what you want without relying so much on tutors. Of course Tezzeret the Seeker can also be incredible for obvious reasons if you're looking for your salvaging station pieces, Smokestack, or others.
Honestly from my experience with stax so far, I think white and black are best overall. The tutors, land destruction, planeswalkers, artifacts/enchantments they provide are incredible for stax.
I don't understand why. cultivate and crucible are some of the 2(+) for 1's I'm talking about. and that still doesn't takw care of crucible. seems bad man. I really don't see what toyre getting at. plus if the stax player plays a devestation? why?
Just my style of Stax. I run lots of mana rocks and utility artifacts like Trading Post to upkeep Contamination. I also like to use it once I've stuck a Land Equilibrium.
I don't understand why. cultivate and crucible are some of the 2(+) for 1's I'm talking about. and that still doesn't takw care of crucible. seems bad man. I really don't see what toyre getting at. plus if the stax player plays a devestation? why?
A Jokulhaups, Obliterate, Devastation are probably the three "best" cards at winning. Not really anything anyone can do when your deck is built to survive them. Whether it's "stax" though is a different question.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
My Rakdos Stax list plays like a UbaStax and it plays fine. I play Uba Mask, Smokestack and Goblin Welder just like the world champion list. Devastation, Obliterate and Jokulhaups are only emergency buttons against too many tokens or big creatures in play.
Phil, if do you end up writing this primer, just send me a link of it so I can proof read it. I do want it to reflect our Stax strategies not the internet's. Do what you can to give people credit for our ideas because Andy showed us the way of under utilized cards.
I would really rather shoot myself in the face than play this kind of strategy outside of Vintage and Legacy. I guess if you want to make a comprehensive list for this sort of thing go for it, but I am pretty sure most or all of us already know the same ol cards that can go in virtually any deck with a commander and call it "stax".
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I would really rather shoot myself in the face than play this kind of strategy outside of Vintage and Legacy. I guess if you want to make a comprehensive list for this sort of thing go for it, but I am pretty sure most or all of us already know the same ol cards that can go in virtually any deck with a commander and call it "stax".
I'm getting an incredible amount of "I hate this strategy so it is lesser" vibe from you. Most named tactics run groups of the same cards so I'm not sure why you're calling stax out on this. Seems like you're just bitter. Maybe don't post in the threads you clearly hate.
Philo, I feel Salvaging station/Post need their own section in this primer.
I would really rather shoot myself in the face than play this kind of strategy outside of Vintage and Legacy. I guess if you want to make a comprehensive list for this sort of thing go for it, but I am pretty sure most or all of us already know the same ol cards that can go in virtually any deck with a commander and call it "stax".]
Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion man.
I personally love this thread. Aside from stax, just three pages in and I'm getting all sorts of tangential ideas. Keep it up!
It's a decent sweeper if your meta is creature heavy and you're running red, though If you're in black I'd almost always run pox and death cloud over it.
And it's stax. You should more mana rocks then the table, more more land-o is always yeah good.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
It was built around the typical Smokestack, Tangle Wire, sphere's package with plenty of black sweepers and artifact mana.
The ability to recur your artifacts was very strong and her low casting cost was often very relevant. So I think she should be a consideration as general or at least a card.
Ultimately my deck came apart after losing Sundering and Primeval Titan.
Some of the challenges I found that we should address:
- Keeping control once you've got it can be difficult with multiple players and high life totals. My deck in particular couldn't finish exceedingly fast so there were games when I gained a nice advantage with stax shenanigan's but couldn't finish off 3 players before someone broke my hold.
- Playing from behind. As others mentioned there are some blazing starts and huge plays in EDH. We are going to need a game plan for when we find ourselves behind immediately or missing a resource entirely (No hand, no yard, no general etc)
- Consistency, right cards in the right order. The games I lost hard with the glissa deck were the ones where I got the wrong pieces or wrong order. With 99 cards I think we need a strong tutor packs to make sure we get what we need when its relevant.
I agree that this can sometimes be a problem, but if you have white in your stax lists, then planeswalkers can be a vital win-con. Elspeth 1.0, Gideon, Sorin 2.0 can all pull their weight. I can't tell you how many times I've won off those emblems Sorin makes pumping a bitterblossom token carrying a sword. Also if your in blue, Cyclonic Rift usually means a victory, most opponents can't handle it followed by land destruction, wheel effects, etc.
If I am completely behind then I have no problem burning a tutor to go grab Cataclysm or something of that order. Usually that card is one of the best, at least in my Lady Evangela, for resetting a board state.
Running blue in your stax deck helps this a lot. Cards like Lim-Dûl's Vault and even little cards like Compulsion can smooth draws and help get you what you want without relying so much on tutors. Of course Tezzeret the Seeker can also be incredible for obvious reasons if you're looking for your salvaging station pieces, Smokestack, or others.
Honestly from my experience with stax so far, I think white and black are best overall. The tutors, land destruction, planeswalkers, artifacts/enchantments they provide are incredible for stax.
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Just my style of Stax. I run lots of mana rocks and utility artifacts like Trading Post to upkeep Contamination. I also like to use it once I've stuck a Land Equilibrium.
You missed the best one! Seedborn Muse
Winterorb and tanglewire are completely asymmetrical when you've got the muse out.
EDIT: and that's hopefully the last time I respond to a post without reading the whole thread first. >_<.
A Jokulhaups, Obliterate, Devastation are probably the three "best" cards at winning. Not really anything anyone can do when your deck is built to survive them. Whether it's "stax" though is a different question.
It helps gimp the blue players resources advantage.
Uba Mask is one of THE stax cards. I consider it on the level of Smokestack itself.
Kismet is a must.
If LD is a thing I am feeling Terravore.
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Sun Titan: Eternal Witness, Aura of Silence, Necrotic Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Dautless Escort, Seal Of Cleansing, Oblivion Stone, Pernicious Deed, Strip Mine, Swords for BB, the list goes on and on.
Academy Rector: Tons of good stuff as well.
Here is a thread I started a while back that might come in use:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=450745
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Annul is really good in EDH
Actually yes! Normally shiri, mike, or chainer works, but any legend will do.
I am thinking of doing a mini stax with the vamp that makes you sac a non vamp every turn, plus vamp tribal!
Phil, if do you end up writing this primer, just send me a link of it so I can proof read it. I do want it to reflect our Stax strategies not the internet's. Do what you can to give people credit for our ideas because Andy showed us the way of under utilized cards.
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I'm getting an incredible amount of "I hate this strategy so it is lesser" vibe from you. Most named tactics run groups of the same cards so I'm not sure why you're calling stax out on this. Seems like you're just bitter. Maybe don't post in the threads you clearly hate.
Philo, I feel Salvaging station/Post need their own section in this primer.
Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion man.
I personally love this thread. Aside from stax, just three pages in and I'm getting all sorts of tangential ideas. Keep it up!
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WBRTariel, Hellraiser StaxWBR
Annul is really good in EDH
That's one of the reasons I started this post. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=458038#post9231657
It's probably a good place to start.
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