So really, come on...I have dual lands in my decks...so what? Why do people always complain about it? Most of my decks may be optimized, but they are by no means world-beaters or super combo. But every time I lay down an original dual land here comes the crying. So I have the ability to own dual lands and you don't, stop whining. Bring on the mana base hate, LD, and punishment, but STOP YOUR COMPLAINING! Make me change my desire for an optimized land base through game play. All I wanna do every time I hear someone bellyache about it, is tutor up more duals. Find an answer, but quit fussing about it!
i guess the issue is that people want them for legacy/vintage and considering how few there are these people feel they are wasted in an edh deck
either that or they think that the kind of person to put that much money in a deck is probably someone playing $1000 goodstuff and the deck will be boring and just full of iWin cards
...People are even complaining about their opponents having efficient mana bases now? Good lord.
I mean, I used to always comment on the insane amount of dual lands that one player in my playgroup has, but pretty much out of sheer jealousy for the amount of consistency it gives to his multicolored decks.
Yeah I have ran into this. I have my duel lands from packs I bought when I was 16 in high school with the money I earned working at McDonalds. So I just laugh at people that act like I paid 100bucks for my land in a edh deck.
My personal experience with this is I play a pick up game at a game store. I run no infinity combos or such, I am playing a janky Thrax deck. Turn one I drop a Underground Sea. Dude sighs and says," So it is going to be like that?" It was one of the first times I played edh outside of my friends that showed it to me. Who also had duel lands from High School. So I was like okay... Anyhow around turn 8 I have repercussions in play and a leyline of anticipation. That dude that harshed me for the duel land goes infinity creatures. To which I respond with a Earthquake via leyline killing the player though repercussions. He gets visibly upset and says something to effect of, " I knew your deck was going to be lame."
I won't complain about it... but I will keep an eye on him, and treat his likelihood of being a threat as significantly more. The player who is using a more expensive mana base is probably also happy to throw money at the rest of his deck, and is therefore more likely to have a good deck. In the meantime, I'm not even running C.Sphynx/Prime Time/etc...
Yeah I have ran into this. I have my duel lands from packs I bought when I was 16 in high school with the money I earned working at McDonalds. So I just laugh at people that act like I paid 100bucks for my land in a edh deck.
My personal experience with this is I play a pick up game at a game store. I run no infinity combos or such, I am playing a janky Thrax deck. Turn one I drop a Underground Sea. Dude sighs and says," So it is going to be like that?" It was one of the first times I played edh outside of my friends that showed it to me. Who also had duel lands from High School. So I was like okay... Anyhow around turn 8 I have repercussions in play and a leyline of anticipation. That dude that harshed me for the duel land goes infinity creatures. To which I respond with a Earthquake via leyline killing the player though repercussions. He gets visibly upset and says something to effect of, " I knew your deck was going to be lame."
Guy sounds like a dick.
People are like that though. It's the reason I don't play casual formats outside of my groups of friends.
People are like that though. It's the reason I don't play casual formats outside of my groups of friends.
Those people ruin branching outside your playgroup.
Some people in our playgroup started playing in a new shops and it was terrible. I know, it makes us a snob. Seriously, why do people take this "casual" format so seriously?
Our decks might be intimidating at first glance, but they aren't designed to win. I get weird vibes in different shops in my area, Portland, Oregon.
I don't really get the point of complaining about someone's land base, whether it's expensive duals or all basics. My solution is just blow up the land or disrupt otherwise and move on, regardless of what is part of the mana base. People need to stop being jealous little whiners, seriously.
The most hated card in my Lyzolda deck is indeed Badlands.
I can be killing them with my pauper-legal creatures or ****ing up their manabase with Crucible+Mine/Wasteland, but the second I fetch for my Badlands their faces turn bitter.
If I ever open a store I'll make collector's edition dual lands legal in out EDH league as long as they play opaque sleeves, just so this **** doesn't fly.
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I know what you're saying. At one of the shops where I play I can lay down a mishra's workshop or cast timetwister and people don't say ****, but lay down one dual land and it's OMG ****ing die!!!! I have to say its a little annoying.
Using original dual land imply that you:
1. have a good accessibility of card pool
2. care about mana base which imply that you are quite good deck builder
When I face someone with good mana base, I focus on that person.
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I certainly wouldn't complain or hate you for it... But I would certainly ro-shambo you for them... I go first, of course.
On a more serious note, super efficient or not, I could almost build another entire deck (or at least a manabase including all relevant shock/filterlands) than buy ONE dual land:
(If I ever bought dual lands, I'd buy them ONLY for my Kaalia deck, as I feel they'd only really be needed for 1v1, and that's my 1v1 deck)
$165 (using SCG for a high-end quote, I realize you could get them cheaper) for 3 lands in an EDH deck is questionable at best. That's enough to build 2 really good decks, or one super-optimized deck.
It's the same people that complain about others having a Mana Crypt, Dark Confidant, or even Land Tax these days (I bought them all super cheap and white boarder).
In the end, they're just complainers. Let them whine.
I won't complain. I do get jealous as I've never owned as dual. But honestly at this point I know enough people who own and use them that I kinda just go, oh neat. I'm jealous and move on with my life. If its somebody I don't know I do make sure to read all their cards from there on but I don't focus them until their other cards warrant it. I'd rather have people buying duals than something like jms :/
It's the same people that complain about others having a Mana Crypt, Dark Confidant, or even Land Tax these days (I bought them all super cheap and white boarder).
In the end, they're just complainers. Let them whine.
$70 for a Scrubland? That seems WAY WAY too high. I mean, yeah it's SCG, but still, that's really high for a Scrub.
Cardshark has them from $50-$70, condition differs. Still, a lot of cash.
Hmm. Would you whine and complain about proxies if they threw out a photocopied underground sea? Because it seems to me they are commenting on value of the lands. My playgroup doesn't have this issue as we allow proxies so if someone isn't playing with dual lands it's their choice not to use ugly proxies, rather than the fact an optimized mana base costs more than a months rent.
The fact is, if someone thinks that, you've already lost the battle. You can't cure stupid and that's just plain stupid.
Honestly, that doesn't strike me as stupid.
Now, it's stupid to get jealous, bitter or whiny about it.
To look at someone drop a dual land seems just about as much a reason to go on alert as to what might be in the deck as if they went land, mana crypt, sol ring.
It's just typically a good indicator as to what level of card access they have.
It's a multiplayer format, and that's going to bring in all of the various prejudices people have, and it is just as provacative a move to go "dual land", as it is to go "land, sol ring", land, "mana crypt" or "land, land, luminarch" or especially- "plains, mana crypt, luminarch."
I'd expect you'd draw EVERYONE'S ire with "Tundra, manacrypt, luminarch."
I’ve come across these sorts of people before, those that whine/complain about old cards and their current prices, and it isn’t that much fun. I typically classify them as inexperienced players or intimated by the idea of “money.”
This has actually happened before:
Random guy: “I blowing up your Dual.”
Me: “Why?”
Random guy: “It’s a fricking dual land!”
Me: “What about my Diamond Valley or that guy’s Cabal Coffers or . . . etc.?”
Random guy: “No, I want the dual. It’s a dual land!”
At this point I can tell the game will not be fun with that sort of player. Not because I lost a land, but because they have some emotional bias towards certain cards and don’t play the game with proper threat assessment.
Luckily, the vast majority of my playgroups are established and this doesn’t happen very often. It is usually new players to the game or those that have played for awhile but not really outside of their friends houses who have only heard about old cards and their value that have an issue with other players using these sort of cards.
Wow that dude at the other store seems like a real jerk.
When it comes to dual lands I understand that many people have had them from the beginning and good on them for keeping with the game this long. For me it is a cost to benefit ratio. If i had them i would sure as hell play them, am I going to go buy them for 50-120$ now? probably not, i don't think that one card in my deck is going to make a significant difference ... most of the time i just look at them longingly and wish i had played in that era the way i do now (2+boxes per set)
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either that or they think that the kind of person to put that much money in a deck is probably someone playing $1000 goodstuff and the deck will be boring and just full of iWin cards
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I mean, I used to always comment on the insane amount of dual lands that one player in my playgroup has, but pretty much out of sheer jealousy for the amount of consistency it gives to his multicolored decks.
Commander/EDH Decks:
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Dual-envy.
My personal experience with this is I play a pick up game at a game store. I run no infinity combos or such, I am playing a janky Thrax deck. Turn one I drop a Underground Sea. Dude sighs and says," So it is going to be like that?" It was one of the first times I played edh outside of my friends that showed it to me. Who also had duel lands from High School. So I was like okay... Anyhow around turn 8 I have repercussions in play and a leyline of anticipation. That dude that harshed me for the duel land goes infinity creatures. To which I respond with a Earthquake via leyline killing the player though repercussions. He gets visibly upset and says something to effect of, " I knew your deck was going to be lame."
Guy sounds like a dick.
People are like that though. It's the reason I don't play casual formats outside of my groups of friends.
Because we care about facts.
...It's part jealousy, part ignorance.
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Those people ruin branching outside your playgroup.
Some people in our playgroup started playing in a new shops and it was terrible. I know, it makes us a snob. Seriously, why do people take this "casual" format so seriously?
Our decks might be intimidating at first glance, but they aren't designed to win. I get weird vibes in different shops in my area, Portland, Oregon.
EDH
BWG Doran Suicide Tempo BWG
BUW Sharuum Midrange Control BUW
I can be killing them with my pauper-legal creatures or ****ing up their manabase with Crucible+Mine/Wasteland, but the second I fetch for my Badlands their faces turn bitter.
If I ever open a store I'll make collector's edition dual lands legal in out EDH league as long as they play opaque sleeves, just so this **** doesn't fly.
1. have a good accessibility of card pool
2. care about mana base which imply that you are quite good deck builder
When I face someone with good mana base, I focus on that person.
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On a more serious note, super efficient or not, I could almost build another entire deck (or at least a manabase including all relevant shock/filterlands) than buy ONE dual land:
Badlands: $50
Plateau: $45
Scrubland: $70
(If I ever bought dual lands, I'd buy them ONLY for my Kaalia deck, as I feel they'd only really be needed for 1v1, and that's my 1v1 deck)
$165 (using SCG for a high-end quote, I realize you could get them cheaper) for 3 lands in an EDH deck is questionable at best. That's enough to build 2 really good decks, or one super-optimized deck.
WUBR Breya, Thopter Sculptor
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C Ulamog, the Mana Glutton
In the end, they're just complainers. Let them whine.
$70 for a Scrubland? That seems WAY WAY too high. I mean, yeah it's SCG, but still, that's really high for a Scrub.
Cardshark has them from $50-$70, condition differs. Still, a lot of cash.
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BGW Karador, Reanimator King
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UBG Tasigur, Mind Grinder
UB Grimgrin, Combo-Stitched
GW Rhys, Gilt-Leaf Warrior
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The fact is, if someone thinks that, you've already lost the battle. You can't cure stupid and that's just plain stupid.
Honestly, that doesn't strike me as stupid.
Now, it's stupid to get jealous, bitter or whiny about it.
To look at someone drop a dual land seems just about as much a reason to go on alert as to what might be in the deck as if they went land, mana crypt, sol ring.
It's just typically a good indicator as to what level of card access they have.
It's a multiplayer format, and that's going to bring in all of the various prejudices people have, and it is just as provacative a move to go "dual land", as it is to go "land, sol ring", land, "mana crypt" or "land, land, luminarch" or especially- "plains, mana crypt, luminarch."
I'd expect you'd draw EVERYONE'S ire with "Tundra, manacrypt, luminarch."
This has actually happened before:
Random guy: “I blowing up your Dual.”
Me: “Why?”
Random guy: “It’s a fricking dual land!”
Me: “What about my Diamond Valley or that guy’s Cabal Coffers or . . . etc.?”
Random guy: “No, I want the dual. It’s a dual land!”
At this point I can tell the game will not be fun with that sort of player. Not because I lost a land, but because they have some emotional bias towards certain cards and don’t play the game with proper threat assessment.
Luckily, the vast majority of my playgroups are established and this doesn’t happen very often. It is usually new players to the game or those that have played for awhile but not really outside of their friends houses who have only heard about old cards and their value that have an issue with other players using these sort of cards.
BRGKarrthus, Tyrant of Jund
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UBWZur the Enchanter
WUBRGChild of Alara
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When it comes to dual lands I understand that many people have had them from the beginning and good on them for keeping with the game this long. For me it is a cost to benefit ratio. If i had them i would sure as hell play them, am I going to go buy them for 50-120$ now? probably not, i don't think that one card in my deck is going to make a significant difference ... most of the time i just look at them longingly and wish i had played in that era the way i do now (2+boxes per set)