It depends on how many swamps you have, but i know in my teysa build i ended up cutting them. I don't particularly like coffers in a non mono-black deck, except if that deck is green and running primeval titan because of course he can grab both at once and BOOM, you have lots of mana. if you want, play test it and cut them if you don't like them. if they work with your deck, then obviously keep them.
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Except that I need either coffers with at least 3 other swamps or coffers with urborg and another land in play before I get any value out of it.
And you're also in the best color for tutoring, period. Getting both of these guys out is not as hard as you think, and it pays big dividends. The only problems I see with it are a) you start making getting those two cards out you first objective every game and b) your opponents start making getting you out their first objective every game.
If those two reasons don't apply to/bother you, then I say that it's definitely worth it.
Coffers and urborg is an auto include in any deck running black. Add Deserted Temple and Rings of Brighthearth and you have infi black mana. I put this into every single black deck I'm running, minus the infi combo if I have no X spells to fuel. But with the rise of Exsanguinate as a win con, I see no reason why not to run these cards.
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Coffers and urborg is an auto include in any deck running black. Add Deserted Temple and Rings of Brighthearth and you have infi black mana. I put this into every single black deck I'm running, minus the infi combo if I have no X spells to fuel. But with the rise of Exsanguinate as a win con, I see no reason why not to run these cards.
That's a cute combo, but those cards are quite suboptimal on their own, especially the Talisman. At least with brighthearth and temple, the cards are strong on their, the brighthearth is very strong with plenty of commanders and other strategies.
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Cabal Coffers wasn't a auto include if you didn't play mono black IMO.
But Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth was a auto include for any black deck. Why because any land like High Market can now give you colored mana and land like Diamond Valley can now give you mana. So Yeah you should include it in your GCO. And it's transform any plains into scrubland so you cannot be color screw now with it. Yeah it's help your opponents if they play black but otherwise it's did nothing.
Well just do a little testing, any decks that play black also benefit from having Urborg so go ahead and throw that in your w/b deck. Also you never said if your deck was heavier black or white, that can make a big difference as whats the point of having a ton of black mana when your hand is all white cards? I would take a basic land and put an 'x' on it, that way anytime you draw it pretend that it was coffers instead and see if it would be dead or useless or keep track of the times you wanted to tutor for coffers.
Urborg has other uses. If you run creatures, it is quite good with Filth in your graveyard as it turns all of your opponents lands into swamps as well.
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Vesuva does not work there. They all come into play at the same time, and it has to have the other lands on the battlefield before it enters in order to copy one of them.
At one point, I ran Urborg/Coffers in both my BG and BW decks. The green deck wins so many games off of that combo, mainly due to the ease of assembling it (mainly Primeval and lots of creature tutors). The white deck didn't run any ways to fetch Urborg, and Coffers was a dead draw 90% of the time.
Basically, Coffers is amazing in mono black and black/green builds and garbage everywhere else.
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I don't really know what I want to do with it.
I have a Black White Orzhova deck (in my sig) I could throw it in just becuase but then I'm also wondering if I should throw in Cabal Coffers as well.
I don't know if I could justify having Coffers in there. I see it being a dead draw a lot of the time.
Now that I have both the Coffers and Urborg does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do with them?
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If you want some money, you could sell the coffers, otherwise, i would most definitely include it.
coffers is less of an autoinclude. its dead early game, and decent late game.
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And if you're running Urborg...generally no reason to not run Coffers.
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Except that I need either coffers with at least 3 other swamps or coffers with urborg and another land in play before I get any value out of it.
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And you're also in the best color for tutoring, period. Getting both of these guys out is not as hard as you think, and it pays big dividends. The only problems I see with it are a) you start making getting those two cards out you first objective every game and b) your opponents start making getting you out their first objective every game.
If those two reasons don't apply to/bother you, then I say that it's definitely worth it.
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StaffPshaw, at least go with Onyx Talisman + Lab rats for the inf mana combo...
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That's a cute combo, but those cards are quite suboptimal on their own, especially the Talisman. At least with brighthearth and temple, the cards are strong on their, the brighthearth is very strong with plenty of commanders and other strategies.
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StaffCabal Coffers has a B symbol, and thus has a color identity of black. It cannot be used in a mono-green deck.
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But Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth was a auto include for any black deck. Why because any land like High Market can now give you colored mana and land like Diamond Valley can now give you mana. So Yeah you should include it in your GCO. And it's transform any plains into scrubland so you cannot be color screw now with it. Yeah it's help your opponents if they play black but otherwise it's did nothing.
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Firstly, Urborg is B E A S T.
Doesn't matter when I have it. It's always good.
secondly, coffers wasn't too bad. I don't draw it often enough to where it screws me over more than it helps.
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Grim Discovery and Life from the Loam will work, and Petrified Field (which gets itself and another land with Rings of Brighthearth out) in place of a basic.
I would love to pull that off - maybe I will make that Skullbriar deck after all...
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Vesuva does not work there. They all come into play at the same time, and it has to have the other lands on the battlefield before it enters in order to copy one of them.
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Basically, Coffers is amazing in mono black and black/green builds and garbage everywhere else.