MTG Salvation

The inspiration for this thread is from another forum member's signature I saw in which he quotes another forum member as saying something like "playing a turn one Serra Ascendant is basically like saying kill me so I can go trade." I thought that was pretty funny, but I'm sure we all realize the truth of it. There are simply some cards that, if played early on, will just scream "hit me! hit me!!" to other players at the table.

Probably the big thing someone can do in my playgroup to guarantee being on the receiving end of a 5-colour enema is throwing down a turn 2 Luminarch Ascension. I've started quite a few games with Luminarch Ascension in my hand only to not play early on for fear of reprisal. Despite the fact that I don't think anyone who's done that in my group has ever gotten a table kill that way, people just start frothing at the mouth and crying "CRUCIFY HIM!" when they see it.

Heck, some cards with relatively high casting costs will inspire some pretty severe vitriol if they're played the first turn they can be brought in. I once threw down a turn seven Akroma's Memorial with a whopping 2 creatures, only to be hated out from full life to dead before my turn came again.

Of course, a large part of these kinds of plays are pure politics, where other players say "this is what that card CAN do, if you give him an inch, he'll take a mile." Sure, Akroma's Memorial can turn your board into the Cloverfield monster if left unchecked, but having two creatures out is hardly dangerous, even with it. My playgroup is currently doing something where we all bring decks, they're vetted by a third party who isn't playing to make certain they're all an even power level, and then we roll dice to see who plays which deck without any knowledge of what the deck is before hand. I was given an Arcum Dagsson deck to play. I got hated out from the very first land drop, and I barely knew how to play the deck!

So, the question is, what cards get you killed where you play if you drop them too early?

I try to aim for people who play Top early, just for a reason to hit someone "politically".

Crucible of Worlds gets me hated really fast, because they all assume I'm gonna landwipe soon, which is somewhat fair. I play it just to play something for the turn, which I end up finding is the wrong play if I don't have an immediate wipe. It's also great counter bait though.

Dwarven Blastminer, Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon also deservedly draw hate pretty quickly, but hey, I play red what else am I gonna do?

Scroll rack is the big one where I play. People assume whoever has the rack essentially has access to whatever cards they want. That and ramp early game, especially Sol Ring turn 1.

Sol Ring and Tangle Wire are the biggest by far.

Bloodchief Ascension all day, everyday.

Moat. For some reason, for even those that it actually helps them out, it suddenly makes me primary enemy number one because i didn't let sir elfball over there win on turn 4.

Also, Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon, Genesis Chamber, Confusion in the Ranks, and Teferi's Puzzle Box all cause all sorts of fun problems.

Serra Ascendant.

I've only seen it happen once in a game (wasn't me who did it), but that card just isn't meant for games where you start with 30 or more life.

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Serra Ascendant.

I've only seen it happen once in a game (wasn't me who did it), but that card just isn't meant for games where you start with 30 or more life.

Heh, a few months ago I built a monowhite board wipe deck with Konda as my general. I was playing a buddy who I believe was running Naya. I got turn one Serra Ascendant three games in a row.

t2 or 3 Primeval.. people arent too keen on that one. Also, Bloodchief ascention gets you some hate.

Gaddock Teeg. I really have to be careful to drop that guy judiciously in Captain Sisay. People like playing the cards in their deck, apparently.

I have to say Bribery gets some attention. But to these meta games who jump on people in an MP game who cast Serra Ascendant I have to laugh. I would never start blowing my resources on what is really just an overgrown vanilla creature. It isn't anything spectacular, and and I wouldn't bother going after anyone specifically because they played a card. That is playing stupidly and very much like a beginner.

Now, if that said card is keeping me from winning, or possibly causing me to lose or put that opponent in such a state I can't win, then something needs to be done. But I never am like "ZOMG HE PLAYED THIS CARD HE MUST BE UP TO SOMEZHIIING!"

Jhoira of the Ghitu attracts a lot of attention before the game even starts, a turn 2 or 3 survival of the fittest, a turn 4 or 5 conspiracy also draws a lot of ire

I'd have to agree with luminarch ascension. By the time it gets back to you, it is already active, and you can start making angel tokens right away. It is even more absurd if you have mana acceleration. If your opponents don't have removal for it, they are in a world of hurt. It will probably single-handily take out a player, and probably do a ton of damage to the other players as well. The longer it stays on the board, the more likely you are to win the game.

Sol Ring.
Mana Crypt.
Of all things, Ertai, Wizard Adept gets me hated out.
I'm like WTF, it lets me counter 1 spell per turncycle people, is it really that bad?
On the other hand, if I steal a seedborn muse afterward, I win >_>
But still, its not that bad. I don't get why people hate me out for him.

Sword of Feast and Famine. That any utility dude like Pilgrim's eye can suddenly turn into a major nightmare for the table speaks volumes about how ridiculous this card is.

Turn one Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle in mono-red can also cause people to start looking for their land destruction.

Sensei's Divining Top

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Sensei's Divining Top

Surprisingly, Top gets practically no hate from my playgroup. We just let people do their thing.

Although one time I was playing a 1V1 game, my opponent dropped turn one Sensei's Divining Top, turn two Counterbalance, turn three Semblance Anvil exiling an artifact creature, turn four Arcanis the Omnipotent. I didn't stand a chance.

Artifact accel gets you hated pretty fast in my playgroup unless its something stupid like T2 signets or the Borderpost cycle.
best T1 aggro draw ever: Island->Sol Ring->Mana Vault->Mind Stone->Sky Diamond->Overkill
T2:Island -> Patron Wizard

I don't even have to play a card, As soon as people see my commander is Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is done, also a turn 1 Dark Confidant or Phyrexian Arena Courtesy of Dark Ritual

Turn 3 Primeval Titan with Lightning Greave,turn 4 Tooth and Nail Entwine kicked,Crucible of Worlds and Strip Mine

Mirari's Wake,Mana Reflection,Lurking Predators,Gilded Lotus,Karn Liberated,Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger" target="blank">Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger,Avenger of Zendikar are must kill....

Omnath when I'm playing mono green, but in general Phyrexian Arena gets me some pretty fast hate. Oh and Necropotence haha

Goblin Welder. That little monster usually cues people that I'm not going to play nice with my toys.

t1 sol ring into top gets you nasty stares.

cards that get you hated:
luminarch ascension (especially when you t1 sol ring and t2 demonic tutor into it)
rhystic study
grim feast
t3 darksteel forge
puppeteer clique (maybe this is my groupthink speaking. i play clique multiple times a game, which they seem to not like. )

oh, and general jhoira gets you instant freaking hate. the problem is, it's not her, per se, but what cards you suspend when someone tries to kill her.

Sol Ring is the card.

On a similar note to Phyrexian Arena, Sylvan Library draws hate real fast. Early accel like Sol Ring and Grim Monolith is also gonna draw hate. And then there are a few silly cards like Sneak Attack or Lurking Predators that just paint a huge target on your head.

Certain combos draw a ton of hate too. Sakura-Tribe Elder/Fulminator Mage/Fertilid into Coffin Queen/Mimic Vat/Skullclamp tends to be enough to draw most of the table's hate pretty quickly.