I'd squeeze Hibernation Sliver onto that list for sure; after Harmonic and Crystalline it's maybe the most important since it's the best way to save your slivers from board wipes. Technically-a-sliver Amoeboid Changeling is also great because it allows you to steal your opponents' creatures at will. Necrotic Sliver is good enough in EDH to see play in non-sliver decks; you want it for sure as well.
Yes, Sliver Overlord does tutor. But if you get the right sliver package, you'll find that you wont be able to tutor much. The sliver deck I usually play against tries to get Crystalline Sliver on the field and is almost unstoppable after that point. So we all play lots of removal, and it targets sliver guy if he gets close to getting crystalline sliver
Most slivers benefit from having more slivers on the battlefield, so you'll want to play more than 16 slivers. There's no reason not to, since every single additional sliver you play will make all your slivers stronger. There is no non-sliver creature that is better than a sliver with enough slivers out.
With that said, take a look at the Commander Decklist Database. This is really up to you, but a bunch of people play Sliver Overlord and have noted down what they found best in this deck. You'll also get some info on good tech for the deck, such as Unnatural Selection
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As another sliver EDH player, I've found that Overlord is probably the best of the three legends for a package-oriented sliver deck. Legion definitely wins though for explosive aggression.
Anyway, 16 all-star caliber slivers (in my opinion, no particular order, and with the limit in mind)
1. Crystalline Sliver . . . obvious reasons
2. Necrotic Sliver . . . as stated above, good enough for non-sliver decks
3. Frenetic Sliver . . . under-rated, and personally is an MVP at dodging boardwipe. I think I have a flip-win average of 80+% with it.
4. Brood Sliver . . . keeping yourself to 16, this guy is an auto-include
5. Chameleon Colossus . . . seems good, and built-in removal protection against one of the stronger deck colours
6. Taurean Mauler . . . is a "Deal with me now or die fast" card
7. Muscle Sliver
8. Sinew Sliver
9. Shifting Sliver makes combat awkward, especially if you get vigilance somehow . . . see also Sidewinder Sliver and Two-headed Sliver
10. Fury Sliver is just a beating
11. Magma Sliver can kill an opponent in a single blow, potentially
12. Harmonic Sliver is repeatable naturalize on a body
13. Firewake Sliver . . . Fires of Yavimaya was good, and this has a body attached to it that gives your slivers haste? Yes please
14. Sliver Legion . . . instant powerhouse boost if you have any board presence at all when it sticks
15. Homing Sliver . . . turns into whatever sliver you need, or stick it to make all your slivers in hand become tutors.
16. Dormant Sliver . . . I think it's beyond highly underrated. I play it in mine, and my opponents laugh . . . until I start ripping through my deck when I cast more or make tokens (Brood/Queen). With sac outlets like Necrotic/Firewake/Frenetic/etc., it's hardly a setback to have defender for a turn or two while you refill your hand repeatedly.
Obviously this list changes depending on what style of deck you want, but I've found every one of these is awesome in some way.
Muscle and Sinew both seem like really bad choices for an Overlord deck. How many situations are you going to run into where you'd tutor for one of those over something with more utility?
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If you're going for an aggro style deck, they're both prime candidates along with Sidewinder, Might, Bonesplitter, and the rest that do either +x/+0, +0/+x, or +x/+x
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Basically in this format you're rarely going to stick multiple creatures long enough to get some crazy multisliver beatdown engine going, so you're going to want the best individual slivers.
It's made up of cards that we have available to us... Root Sliver, Ward Sliver and Essense Sliver all look good, but unfortunately we don't have any way to acquire them!
Also, we havn't included any changelings because my friend doesn't consider them to be slivers...
Are ther any other really great aggro slivers that have been missed?
I've been working on a sliver EDH deck myself (see here), and I'd recommend reading the advice I've been given. There are some cool combos you can put together if you have access to Sliver Queen or Sliversmith, Intruder Alarm, Training Grounds or Heartstone, etc. And I've been discouraged from using some less valuable slivers. For example, if you're planning on going aggro with this deck, you don't really have a use for Victual Sliver or Sidewinder Sliver.
Toxin Sliver and Talon Sliver are other personal favourites. Nobody likes to send in their best creatures knowing they'll be blocked by first strike + death-touch!
It's made up of cards that we have available to us... Root Sliver, Ward Sliver and Essense Sliver all look good, but unfortunately we don't have any way to acquire them!
I'll have to check my extras box, but PM me if you're interested in trading for some of those. In general, I have several extra common/uncommon slivers...
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You will want all of the haste enablers that you can muster in your deck. Aggro decks that have to wait a turn to attack have a rough time. Here is my HUUUUGE sliver army.... Hope you dont have a wrath.....
Plus adding all the mass reanimators would be advisable too. Patriarch's Bidding for example.
Include venom sliver, predatory sliver, and also virulent sliver. also could use some galrider for a 5-color if you want, or if you are in 3 colors then use pulmonic sliver. then they straight up can't die.
Oh also include a megantic sliver since the massive p/t bonus of 3(highest slivers give). You will definitely want it. Nice idea of the sliver legion, it is OP. Use the hivelord insstead of overlord as your commander.
I'm putting together a Sliver aggro-tribal deck to get a friend of mine into EDH/Commander.
The commander I've chosen is Sliver Overlord because he already owns the PDS, and because we don't have access to Sliver Queen at this point.
Since Overlord allows the deck to tutor for whatever sliver it needs, we'd like to limit the number of slivers in the deck to 16.
So, what are the 16 most useful Slivers that we should include in the deck?
crystalline sliver
muscle sliver
sinew sliver
winged sliver
essence sliver
gemhide sliver
heart sliver
root sliver
sliver legion
virulent sliver
shifting sliver
magma sliver
horned sliver
harmonic sliver
victual sliver
ward sliver
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Most slivers benefit from having more slivers on the battlefield, so you'll want to play more than 16 slivers. There's no reason not to, since every single additional sliver you play will make all your slivers stronger. There is no non-sliver creature that is better than a sliver with enough slivers out.
With that said, take a look at the Commander Decklist Database. This is really up to you, but a bunch of people play Sliver Overlord and have noted down what they found best in this deck. You'll also get some info on good tech for the deck, such as Unnatural Selection
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Anyway, 16 all-star caliber slivers (in my opinion, no particular order, and with the limit in mind)
1. Crystalline Sliver . . . obvious reasons
2. Necrotic Sliver . . . as stated above, good enough for non-sliver decks
3. Frenetic Sliver . . . under-rated, and personally is an MVP at dodging boardwipe. I think I have a flip-win average of 80+% with it.
4. Brood Sliver . . . keeping yourself to 16, this guy is an auto-include
5. Chameleon Colossus . . . seems good, and built-in removal protection against one of the stronger deck colours
6. Taurean Mauler . . . is a "Deal with me now or die fast" card
7. Muscle Sliver
8. Sinew Sliver
9. Shifting Sliver makes combat awkward, especially if you get vigilance somehow . . . see also Sidewinder Sliver and Two-headed Sliver
10. Fury Sliver is just a beating
11. Magma Sliver can kill an opponent in a single blow, potentially
12. Harmonic Sliver is repeatable naturalize on a body
13. Firewake Sliver . . . Fires of Yavimaya was good, and this has a body attached to it that gives your slivers haste? Yes please
14. Sliver Legion . . . instant powerhouse boost if you have any board presence at all when it sticks
15. Homing Sliver . . . turns into whatever sliver you need, or stick it to make all your slivers in hand become tutors.
16. Dormant Sliver . . . I think it's beyond highly underrated. I play it in mine, and my opponents laugh . . . until I start ripping through my deck when I cast more or make tokens (Brood/Queen). With sac outlets like Necrotic/Firewake/Frenetic/etc., it's hardly a setback to have defender for a turn or two while you refill your hand repeatedly.
Obviously this list changes depending on what style of deck you want, but I've found every one of these is awesome in some way.
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I also really like the vindicate sliver, double strike sliver and the aurashards sliver.
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StaffSome ones to look at:
Dormant Sliver - If nothing else, it cantrips
Harmonic Sliver - It's a naturalize on legs, which is generally fairly playable on its own.
Hibernation Sliver - Lets you re-use dormant/harmonic and evades removal
Homing Sliver - find more slivers
Necrotic Sliver - turns everything into vindicates
Sliver Overlord - Tutors and can gain control of things with the help of Amoeboid Changeling
Sliver Queen - Makes an army of guys very quickly, and with any other effects on the field can get out of hand, fast
Telekinetic Sliver - Opposition for slivers. Combine with Sliver Queen and you can shut people down entirely.
Basal Sliver - Infinite ETB sliver effects with the queen. Throw in Gemhide Sliver and a haste-granter (Heart Sliver, Firewake Sliver, Reflex Sliver) for infinite mana.
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Based on what you've been saying I've increased the number of slivers to 20.
My friend wants to make the deck primarily aggro, so here's the list as it currently stands:
0 Sliver Overlord
Other Slivers -
1 Necrotic Sliver
2 Hibernation Sliver
3 Crystalline Sliver
4 Harmonic Sliver
5 Sliver Legion
6 Gemhide Sliver
7 Muscle Sliver
8 Winged Sliver
9 Heart Sliver
10 Victual Sliver
11 Brood Sliver
12 Might Sliver
13 Quick Sliver
14 Spined Sliver
15 Firewake Sliver
16 Homing Sliver
17 Fury Sliver
18 Dormant Sliver
19 Bonesplitter Sliver
20 Sidewinder Sliver
It's made up of cards that we have available to us... Root Sliver, Ward Sliver and Essense Sliver all look good, but unfortunately we don't have any way to acquire them!
Also, we havn't included any changelings because my friend doesn't consider them to be slivers...
Are ther any other really great aggro slivers that have been missed?
Simply because that would be really boring.
Toxin Sliver and Talon Sliver are other personal favourites. Nobody likes to send in their best creatures knowing they'll be blocked by first strike + death-touch!
I'll have to check my extras box, but PM me if you're interested in trading for some of those. In general, I have several extra common/uncommon slivers...
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Plus adding all the mass reanimators would be advisable too. Patriarch's Bidding for example.
No but seriously Necrotic Sliver, Root Sliver, Magma Sliver And Ward Sliver are my favorites Sliver Queen not withstanding.
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However top 20:
Ameboid Changeling - already mentioned great with Sliver Overlord
Mirror Entity
Chameleon Colossus - Best Sliver Ever in my opinion
Shifting Sliver - Better than Shadow Sliver you can still block after a failed alpha strike
Winged Sliver
Dormant Sliver
Frenetic Sliver Don't laugh 50% survival after mass removal is better than 0%
Heart Sliver & Firewake Sliver - early haste is always a good idea
Necrotic Sliver - who doesn't like removal
Harmonic Sliver - See above
Essence Sliver
Toxin Sliver
Talon Sliver
Ward Sliver
Quick Sliver - Draw go for the deck
Crystalline Sliver
Sliver Legion
Sidewinder Sliver
Sedge Sliver - nothing against Muscle Sliver or Clot Sliver but this is a 2 for 1. Just add Yawgmoth's Tomb
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Include venom sliver, predatory sliver, and also virulent sliver. also could use some galrider for a 5-color if you want, or if you are in 3 colors then use pulmonic sliver. then they straight up can't die.
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