I was thinking about building a mill deck for a change of pace in EDH. What are the best cards and what should I use as my general? I see a number of different ways of going about this.
Ambassador Laquatus: Just play mono-U Control/mill, but this one is so obvious that it would probably draw hate.
Circu, Dimir Lobotomist: Play a Storm-style U/B deck with a lot of low-cost spells. Also allows me to run Time Spiral/Reversal to replenish my spells without giving them anything back.
Cloudhoof Kirin: Probably impossible to pull off in mono-blue, or else it would be hilarious. Maybe Wizard tribal with Artificial Evolution, but that's way too gimmicky.
Oona, Queen of the Fae: Probably the most consistent general since it's large and evasive, and gives me an alternate win condition. A little less hilarious though.
I'm leaning toward Circu. So what kind of cards go in this type of deck? I've never tried it before.
Agreed on Circu, it looks like the most interesting approach by far. As to what goes in, well gosh. This would be 1v1, right? Multiplayer doesn't seem workable. It seems to me that you need as many good mill spells as you can get your hands on (Laquatus, Oona, Glimpse, Traumatize, probably more), lots of ramp, and a back-up of draw and every kind of control. So basically a traditional UB control with the fatties replaced by mill and a bit more of a focus on card draw and ramp.
I made a Mill deck about a year ago using Oona. The list is really outdated I'm sure, but you can definitely get a good look here. There were quite a few useful suggestions as well.
I thought dredge (used to) play it? I don't know if legacy dredge does. But yeah, a lot of it comes down to casual appeal. See also: Doubling Season.
Extended Dredge did but Ravnica vanished from Extended on July 1. I don't think Legacy does.
Are there any good mill spells that I can put on Isochron Scepter? Seems like good synergy with Circu if I can find some. I found Brain Freeze, which would be amazing on a Scepter, and Dampen Thought, which isn't as amazing. There's also Foreshadow and Predict, which just seems like really bad cards unless I can find some nice way to force my opponent to play with the top card revealed. Vision Charm could have some nice utility uses. Did I miss any?
The UB generals are definitely the way to go, not only because of more mill cards but because of the extra graveyard hate. So many decks use their graveyard and mill just helps them until it kills them, and tons of decks play at least one legendary Eldrazi, so Leyline of the Void and Planar Void can be great.
Mill effects have such a weird psychological effect on people. When I played Timesifter, I was surprised that people were more upset about losing one card that they were about to draw than about missing their next turn!
I play a multiplayer Oona-combo deck that does well. I really think that you need reliable RFG with every deck running Eldrazi and UB are the best colors in EDH.
Regarding Isochron: I wouldn't bother. You'll be better off just playing another card instead if you are going multi-player. I tried to make it work and the best imprints were always Counterspell or Boomerang. Now, if you are doing 1-on-1, then it's a lot better.
The UB generals are definitely the way to go, not only because of more mill cards but because of the extra graveyard hate. So many decks use their graveyard and mill just helps them until it kills them, and tons of decks play at least one legendary Eldrazi, so Leyline of the Void and Planar Void can be great.
Mill effects have such a weird psychological effect on people. When I played Timesifter, I was surprised that people were more upset about losing one card that they were about to draw than about missing their next turn!
In casual, non-edh, I once decked a guy with Timesifter. There were enough Howling Mines/Font of Mythos in play that we were drawing 6 cards per turn. I had 5 cards left in my library (he had Traumatized me a few turns ago), he 'won' Timesifter 4 turns in a row and thus decked himself before I could take a turn
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I thought dredge (used to) play it? I don't know if legacy dredge does. But yeah, a lot of it comes down to casual appeal. See also: Doubling Season.
Extended did, but Legacy Dredge has better options (and hasn't been performing too well, so casual players there).
Dralnu seems like a pretty good option for Circu. You could work the deck from a storm based angle and have Palinchron/whatever card you'd like to go infinite with, or just a mass multitude of cheap blue or black spells.
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A friend of mine built Kami of the Crescent Moon mill - you tutor up Dreamborne Muse and protect her with counterspells until everyone else dies (you have a Darksteel Colossus so as not to mill yourself, and gy hate for the Eldrazi).
Whatever you do, make sure you include Mesmeric Orb - when people are untapping 8 lands plus whatever else every turn, it mills pretty darn fast. And Keening Stone as well, of course.
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I run EDH mill with Szadek and it works pretty well.
Also, one of the best mill combos, it's a one shot, but still legal as far as I know: Precognition to get a card on the bottom of their library (you can use other cards too, like Junktroller I guess) and Tunnel Vision to mill their deck all in one. Just hope they aren't running Emrakul/Gaia's Blessing ;D
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I honestly like my Wrexial mill/control EDH deck. It plays a decent chunk of mill/discard. Wrexial then uses the opponents spells against them, or you would win by milling. It's a casual deck, and I might put it up, but i'm sure people will tear it apart.
I honestly like my Wrexial mill/control EDH deck. It plays a decent chunk of mill/discard. Wrexial then uses the opponents spells against them, or you would win by milling. It's a casual deck, and I might put it up, but i'm sure people will tear it apart.
O run wrexial too check the link my list has changed a bit but it's the general style. It is also one of the more competitive decks in my playgroup.
I switched generals to Oona. Circu just wasn't doing enough unless I was up against Time Spiral effects.
Just throwing this out there: I'd run Vision Charm regardless. But it's possibly the best Isochron Scepter imprint I've ever found. How many ways is it good?
(1) At worst, it says "2, T: Mill 4". Not terrible, when compared to some jank like Tower of Murmurs and even more popular cards like the old baseline Millstone.
(2) Against a mono-color deck, it's like putting Time Walk on a Scepter thanks to its 3rd mode. Turn all their mountains into Islands on their upkeep and enjoy!
(3) It protects itself! Someone tries to destroy Scepter, you just phase it out.
Ambassador Laquatus: Just play mono-U Control/mill, but this one is so obvious that it would probably draw hate.
Circu, Dimir Lobotomist: Play a Storm-style U/B deck with a lot of low-cost spells. Also allows me to run Time Spiral/Reversal to replenish my spells without giving them anything back.
Cloudhoof Kirin: Probably impossible to pull off in mono-blue, or else it would be hilarious. Maybe Wizard tribal with Artificial Evolution, but that's way too gimmicky.
Oona, Queen of the Fae: Probably the most consistent general since it's large and evasive, and gives me an alternate win condition. A little less hilarious though.
I'm leaning toward Circu. So what kind of cards go in this type of deck? I've never tried it before.
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Extended Dredge did but Ravnica vanished from Extended on July 1. I don't think Legacy does.
Are there any good mill spells that I can put on Isochron Scepter? Seems like good synergy with Circu if I can find some. I found Brain Freeze, which would be amazing on a Scepter, and Dampen Thought, which isn't as amazing. There's also Foreshadow and Predict, which just seems like really bad cards unless I can find some nice way to force my opponent to play with the top card revealed. Vision Charm could have some nice utility uses. Did I miss any?
Mill effects have such a weird psychological effect on people. When I played Timesifter, I was surprised that people were more upset about losing one card that they were about to draw than about missing their next turn!
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Regarding Isochron: I wouldn't bother. You'll be better off just playing another card instead if you are going multi-player. I tried to make it work and the best imprints were always Counterspell or Boomerang. Now, if you are doing 1-on-1, then it's a lot better.
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In casual, non-edh, I once decked a guy with Timesifter. There were enough Howling Mines/Font of Mythos in play that we were drawing 6 cards per turn. I had 5 cards left in my library (he had Traumatized me a few turns ago), he 'won' Timesifter 4 turns in a row and thus decked himself before I could take a turn
Extended did, but Legacy Dredge has better options (and hasn't been performing too well, so casual players there).
Dralnu seems like a pretty good option for Circu. You could work the deck from a storm based angle and have Palinchron/whatever card you'd like to go infinite with, or just a mass multitude of cheap blue or black spells.
EDH:
Zo-Zu the Punisher
Phelddagrif
Rhys the Redeemed
Ashling the Pilgrim
Ruhan of the Fomori
Rafiq of the Many
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Aurelia, the Warleader
Animar, Soul of Elements
Borborygmos Enraged
Riku of Two Reflections
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Whatever you do, make sure you include Mesmeric Orb - when people are untapping 8 lands plus whatever else every turn, it mills pretty darn fast. And Keening Stone as well, of course.
Also, one of the best mill combos, it's a one shot, but still legal as far as I know: Precognition to get a card on the bottom of their library (you can use other cards too, like Junktroller I guess) and Tunnel Vision to mill their deck all in one. Just hope they aren't running Emrakul/Gaia's Blessing ;D
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O run wrexial too check the link my list has changed a bit but it's the general style. It is also one of the more competitive decks in my playgroup.
Just throwing this out there: I'd run Vision Charm regardless. But it's possibly the best Isochron Scepter imprint I've ever found. How many ways is it good?
(1) At worst, it says "2, T: Mill 4". Not terrible, when compared to some jank like Tower of Murmurs and even more popular cards like the old baseline Millstone.
(2) Against a mono-color deck, it's like putting Time Walk on a Scepter thanks to its 3rd mode. Turn all their mountains into Islands on their upkeep and enjoy!
(3) It protects itself! Someone tries to destroy Scepter, you just phase it out.
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