MTG Salvation

Just recently read some info on the Memory Jar banning back in the days. I thought about it being fun to make a casual version of the deck using up to date cards. I've compiled a list of what I thought could be in the deck but not sure the best way to take it. Any help would be appreciated. Dont mind the land count. Theyre based on 4 of's, etc.

I mean I'm pretty sure that you can just start any deck with:



And there's no possible way for it to be anything other than oppressive.

Doesnt Notion Thief defeat the whole point of Memory Jaring w/ Waste Not or Liliana's Caress out?

Quote from mad_hatter_md01 »

Doesnt Notion Thief defeat the whole point of Memory Jaring w/ Waste Not or Liliana's Caress out?

Yes but you don't always draw a Waste Not and/or they get removed.

The deck needs to stay based around the Memory Jar & Dream Halls shenanigans. But thank you for your suggestions.

What's casual about this deck?
Is it fair and fun or is it play a banned card?

If it's the first it needs some work...

It doesnt need to be fun for my opponents. Not sure what you mean about banned as it's only casual format.

Quote from mad_hatter_md01 »

It doesnt need to be fun for my opponents. Not sure what you mean about banned as it's only casual format.

He's confused by your description of the deck moreso than anything else. Calling something "casual" and then slamming 4x Sol Ring, 4x Windfall and 4x Memory Jar into the list doesn't resonate well with most people since those cards are heinously oppressive and banned/restricted in every competitive format. I realize that you're using the term "casual" to mean "not tournament legal" and "designed for kitchen table play" but for most people "casual" implies that you're not trying to win at all costs by abusing degenerate spells and effects that're absolutely miserable to play against.

Correct.

And I imagined you meant the second half of my "or" question but I wanted to be sure.

Plus most casual players I know of play according to some form of restricted and ban list.
Whether that's Vintage, Standard, Modern or even block.

Even you use a form of deckbuilding rules. (Sticking to minimum 60 cards and maximum 4-offs.)
Which might not be needed if it's casual.

That said, if you want to optimize effectiveness and not fun I can't imagine why you would run an 80+ card deck. Some trimming might be in order.
As I'm advocately not the Spike in this forum I can't give the best suggestions on how to make your deck most brutal.

Quote from Thijs1301 »

Correct.

And I imagined you meant the second half of my "or" question but I wanted to be sure.

Plus most casual players I know of play according to some form of restricted and ban list.
Whether that's Vintage, Standard, Modern or even block.

Even you use a form of deckbuilding rules. (Sticking to minimum 60 cards and maximum 4-offs.)
Which might not be needed if it's casual.

That said, if you want to optimize effectiveness and not fun I can't imagine why you would run an 80+ card deck. Some trimming might be in order.
As I'm advocately not the Spike in this forum I can't give the best suggestions on how to make your deck most brutal.

Ah, I do apologize. I meant more kitchen table magic than I guess the sub refers to as Casual. The deck only shows 80 because I just put 4 ofs for each of the cards I thought belonged in the deck. But as I tagged this thread, I was hoping more on card discussion for what could make this deck click/work? The deck should at least stay with the Memory Jars, Dream Halls, Lotus Petals, and Liliana's Caress as part of the combos. I added in Nekusar, the Mindrazer and Waste Not to utilize these discards. Then I thought that, because it's mass discard, why dont I add in some Reanimator effects to help win the game. So from there, I came here to see what people think would be the smoothest strategy.

I wonder if the specters are effective.
You already run mass draw/discard effects.
And there's a distinct chance your opponents have aerial defenses up.

I think it's also worth experimenting whether you could drop a color.

How big is the table? Do you expect to get rushed?
Do you need a decent defense? And if so, would you prefer sweepers / control or creatures of your own?

Is Lotus Petal powerful enough? Might Dark Ritual help you?
Is it worth running 4x Demonic Tutor?
Is Spiteful Visions a worthy addition?

Why do you run the Chancellor? (And prefer it above Griselbrand?)

Quote from Thijs1301 »

I wonder if the specters are effective.
You already run mass draw/discard effects.
And there's a distinct chance your opponents have aerial defenses up.

From the groups I play in, not much.

I think it's also worth experimenting whether you could drop a color.

I really only included Red for Nekusar. He could certainly go.

How big is the table? Do you expect to get rushed?

2-4 people. Its possible. Maybe put in some Propagandas[/quote]

Do you need a decent defense? And if so, would you prefer sweepers / control or creatures of your own?

Sweepers could be good. If i keep my creature count low, it may be doable. Maybe run some Unearths if I keep the CMC 3 or less for them.

Is Lotus Petal powerful enough? Might Dark Ritual help you?

These are for Dream Halls to play Memory Jar turn 1

Is it worth running 4x Demonic Tutor?

It's not on the list but it seems a better tutor for Enchantments other than 4x Academy Rector.

Is Spiteful Visions a worthy addition?

Trying to keep self damage to a non-issue.

Why do you run the Chancellor? (And prefer it above Griselbrand?)

Griselbrand doesnt work in this deck. I dont need to draw/discard for dredge stuff. I just need constant draw/discard.