As you may already know, Burning Wish is a very powerful red card especially in casual formats. In addition, it has recently become inexpensive to acquire. As such, I am considering what type of deck to build with it.
Keep in mind, I am placing the following restrictions on its use to avoid complications:
It can only wish from a limited "wish board" of 10-15 cards (I haven't decided the exact number yet)
No more than 4 copies of a given card can be included between main deck and wish board.
I understand that combo decks make great use of burning wish, but that isn't something I am interested in building.
Pros of 'Big Red': Pyromancer's Goggles let you wish for two cards; lots of mana to cast the wish target.
Cons of 'Big Red': Lack of diverse targets to wish for that aren't already worth main boarding (how many different earthquakes/fireballs do you need access to?); I already have one cloudpost deck in the meta and things can become very 'two horse race' if both are played at the same time.
Pros of 'Jund Seasons Past': Diverse set of spells to choose from in the wish board; burning wish can find either part of the 'combo' (Seasons Past or Dark Petition); and seasons past can recur narrow sideboard tech to grind opponents out.
Cons of 'Jund Seasons Past': the wish cannot be recurred with seasons past; too many choices can lead to a complicated deck for others to pick up; potentially less mana to take advantage of the spells as compared to cloudpost.
I know the card can be overpowered without restrictions placed on it, but does it seem reasonable in these circumstances? What would you play?
Cloudpost, Seasons Past and Wildfire are all amazing choices. You couldn't go wrong with any of them. My vote would go towards Seasons Past because that deck is A) Sweet and B) Wish gets a whole lot better when you have access to 3 colors.
Worldfire removes enchantments ect... Thing is that you need a way to deal 1 damage to opponents only after this...
I've used Worldfire before.
The move was dumb, drop Sulfuric Vortex (or other options), then Oblivion Ring the vortex - then cast Worldfire.
I used to run into counter doing this, as my group saw it coming from a long way back.
Burning Wish is a very powerful card, but it's also the kind of card that tends to draw hate from my group.
Everytime I've dropped one they complain about overpowered this and unfair that.
That said, dropping Wish into a scaler that now costs 1-cmc, like Blasphemous Act is very nice!
B-Wish feels like it belongs in combo decks for me.
Everytime I've dropped one they complain about overpowered this and unfair that.
Are they wrong? It's a 4x Demonic Tutor that fetches any Sorcery in your entire collection. It's all of the upside of having a toolbox deck with none of the downside of drawing the cards at inopportune times. I 100% agree with any playgroup who bans it outright.
I should probably add a couple of massacres in the terminate slot.
As for painful truths, I was just thinking of random good stuff in the Jund colors. I suppose I don't need that much card draw with the engine. What else should I run? Seems like a lot of answers already.
As you may already know, Burning Wish is a very powerful red card especially in casual formats. In addition, it has recently become inexpensive to acquire. As such, I am considering what type of deck to build with it.
Keep in mind, I am placing the following restrictions on its use to avoid complications:
With these restrictions in mind, what type of deck would use it best? I am considering two archetypes at this time: A 'Big Red' Cloudpost deck with pyromancer's goggles and large damage spells; and a Jund Seasons Past control deck based on burgeoning out bounce lands to supply mana for the spells.
I understand that combo decks make great use of burning wish, but that isn't something I am interested in building.
Pros of 'Big Red': Pyromancer's Goggles let you wish for two cards; lots of mana to cast the wish target.
Cons of 'Big Red': Lack of diverse targets to wish for that aren't already worth main boarding (how many different earthquakes/fireballs do you need access to?); I already have one cloudpost deck in the meta and things can become very 'two horse race' if both are played at the same time.
Pros of 'Jund Seasons Past': Diverse set of spells to choose from in the wish board; burning wish can find either part of the 'combo' (Seasons Past or Dark Petition); and seasons past can recur narrow sideboard tech to grind opponents out.
Cons of 'Jund Seasons Past': the wish cannot be recurred with seasons past; too many choices can lead to a complicated deck for others to pick up; potentially less mana to take advantage of the spells as compared to cloudpost.
I know the card can be overpowered without restrictions placed on it, but does it seem reasonable in these circumstances? What would you play?
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I'm thinking something like this. I'm not sure what else to put in the CMC 4 slot. Anything else I'm missing?
3 Burgeoning
1 Exploration
4 Faithless Looting
CMC2
2 Exsanguinate
4 Abyssal Gatekeeper
2 Terminate
4 Burning Wish
CMC3
3 Painful Truths
3 Gaze of Granite
CMC4
3 Syphon Mind
CMC5
3 Dark Petition
1 Seasons Past
CMC9
3 Blasphemous Act
Land (24)
4 Exotic Orchard
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Rakdos Carnarium
3 Golgari Rot Farm
3 Gruul Turf
3 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Dark Petition
1 Decimate
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Gaze of Granite
1 Syphon Mind
1 Rakdos's Return
1 Seasons Past
1 Mana Geyser
1 Violent Ultimatum
1 Haunting Echoes
I always play Massacre because it's free which is obv nuts with the Seasons Past recursion plan.
Why does the deck have 3x Painful Truths?
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I've used Worldfire before.
The move was dumb, drop Sulfuric Vortex (or other options), then Oblivion Ring the vortex - then cast Worldfire.
I used to run into counter doing this, as my group saw it coming from a long way back.
Burning Wish is a very powerful card, but it's also the kind of card that tends to draw hate from my group.
Everytime I've dropped one they complain about overpowered this and unfair that.
That said, dropping Wish into a scaler that now costs 1-cmc, like Blasphemous Act is very nice!
B-Wish feels like it belongs in combo decks for me.
Are they wrong? It's a 4x Demonic Tutor that fetches any Sorcery in your entire collection. It's all of the upside of having a toolbox deck with none of the downside of drawing the cards at inopportune times. I 100% agree with any playgroup who bans it outright.
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Nope
I should probably add a couple of massacres in the terminate slot.
As for painful truths, I was just thinking of random good stuff in the Jund colors. I suppose I don't need that much card draw with the engine. What else should I run? Seems like a lot of answers already.
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