MTG Salvation

Flickerwisp lets you flicker Angel of Serenity if you want to, but with a less powerful body attached, and without the flash-in-to-save-a-creature thing going on. I don't think this is a deck that wants to leave mana open anyway, so maybe flickerwisp is reasonable?

I use both Flickerwhisp and Resto Angel... I was just having a mental lapse as to how I blink Angel of Serenity. But yes... Resto Angel should be in there IMO at least as a 1-of... It plus Thragfather is reason enough with ought blinking Primordials/Ashen Riders/Rhinos/ect...

I've been looking back at all my deck threads and I decided to try and update this one as well.

Core cards I want to keep:

• 4x Satyr Wayfinder
  
• 4x Mulch
  
• 4x Unburial Rites
  
• 4x Grisly Salvage

Core threats:

• Ashen Rider
  
• Magister of Worth
  
• Massacre Wurm
  
• Primeval Titan
  
• Siege Rhino
  
• Sylvan Primordial

Has anything changed that I missed that might fill out the deck better than before?

I'm thinking 4x Eerie Interlude will make a huge splash here, but I need to prevent it from going in the yard or be able to recover/cast it if it does. Skullwinder seems like best alternative since all the Instant/Sorcery recovery creatures are in UR

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I'm thinking 4x Eerie Interlude will make a huge splash here, but I need to prevent it from going in the yard or be able to recover/cast it if it does. Skullwinder seems like best alternative since all the Instant/Sorcery recovery creatures are in UR

You're getting carried away IMO. Mill cards don't do anything nor does the Interlude. Your decks tend to be much air and too little action and I don't agree with how you constantly combine 2-3 ideas into the same deck. If you want a Blink deck, play a Blink deck. If you want a Reanimator deck, play a Reanimator deck. Being a jack-of-all-trade-but-master-of-none isn't where you want to be.

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Being a jack-of-all-trade-but-master-of-none isn't where you want to be.

Yea, you got me. That would be my professional life spilling over into the game.

I'll stick to the reanimator that focuses on value for ETB creatures. Do you think I should still keep Angel of Serenity and Flickerwisp?

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Being a jack-of-all-trade-but-master-of-none isn't where you want to be.

Yea, you got me. That would be my professional life spilling over into the game.

I'll stick to the reanimator that focuses on value for ETB creatures. Do you think I should still keep Angel of Serenity and Flickerwisp?

Flickerwisp is the kind of card that can go. I like it if you need Flying defense and run a bunch of Sun Titans because it's "free" to recur and the blink effect is almost always sweet. I personally think that it's strictly better than Restoration Angel if for no other reason than Sun Titan recurs the former but not the latter. Still, by no means is it a critical card to the strat. Serenity is cool in that 2 provide you with "infinite" value since you can just cycle them over and over again. That doesn't make her a ton better than a throng of alternatives but if you're playing for value then barring exile she takes the cake. It's not that the card got worse, it's just that at this point there's so many good 6+ drops that it's hard to get emotionally attached to any one of them... unless it's Sylvan primordial. Otherwise it's probably worth noting that Serenity isn't at her best outside of ramp decks. If you recur Primetime/Sylvan-father enough then you legit get to cast your 3 dudes immediately because you literally have the 20 mana required to do so. Otherwise she can be kinda "meh." I still like her and play with her myself but clearly she loses her appeal when you're unable to cast the things you recur at a reasonable clip.

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Flickerwisp is the kind of card that can go. I like it if you need Flying defense and run a bunch of Sun Titans because it's "free" to recur and the blink effect is almost always sweet. I personally think that it's strictly better than Restoration Angel if for no other reason than Sun Titan recurs the former but not the latter.

OK, I think we might be onto something here. No one really plays Sunny-T in the group and it's been on my radar.

What about something like this?
What do I need to tweak? Do I need a sac outlet? I keep Gaea's Blessing in the back of my mind, but I don't think this is the right deck. What about Myr Battlesphere?

pretty sure skullwinder and magister arent legal. and i just feel 4 birds should just be present.

Personally I've never played nor wanted Elixir of Immortality in this style of deck. I've never come remotely close to decking myself and I don't want to lose my GY.

Grave Titan never makes the cut in my final lists. I like the card in theory but it doesn't win the game on its own.

I would play something closer to:



And this leaves you with 9 slots to field whatever fatties you want. I wouldn't play Mulch myself though and if I did it would be like 2 tops.

Alternatively you play Commune with the Gods and have Utopia Sprawl be your 1 drop at which point you can support another piece of revival such as Whip of Erebos or Animate Dead. Courser of Kruphix is also an Enchantment and makes a great 3 drop if you go the Sun Titan route. All I want is a deck that "plays Magic" with insanely strong inevitability and what this type of shell offers. You're always going to curve out with creatures that "do stuff" while spiking extremely powerful Unburial Rites plays every now and then.

Have you thought about going the Animate Dead route? After taking out Unburial Rites and adding in AD and Recurring Nightmare, the deck feels much more consistent, especially when you have ways to get back the enchantments/creatures via Sun Titan, Eternal Witness, Skullwinder, and Flickerwisp. If you add in other cards like Pernicious Deed, Sun Titan really becomes an all-star. Here's a list I've been running recently:



Cards can be replaced as see fit (Griselbrand for the full 4 of Sylvan Primordial, LOE and Jarad for Thragtusk, Siege Rhino, etc.)

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Stuff.

I play a similar deck:

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Have you thought about going the Animate Dead route? After taking out Unburial Rites and adding in AD and Recurring Nightmare, the deck feels much more consistent, especially when you have ways to get back the enchantments/creatures via Sun Titan, Eternal Witness, Skullwinder, and Flickerwisp. If you add in other cards like Pernicious Deed, Sun Titan really becomes an all-star.

I appreciate your suggestion, but you seem to miss the $ in most of your suggestions lately. Recommending cards based on power level and consistency alone doesn't help me or other people operating on a budget. Your suggestion increased the cost of the deck almost $30 and the return on that investment is very low from my perspective. I generally only get to play a deck once per session, generally only four games per session, and only 1-2 sessions a quarter lately. If I'm going to spend $25+ on a new deck, I want it to be pretty close to the entire deck, not just a few cards. None of us know what others own, but I think it's reasonable to assume that I would be using RN if I owned it and not trying to build a budget version with cards printed in the past few years.

I ran a version of this with AD and I didn't like it as much because I got in the business of thinking about returning that to my hand instead of a creature to the battlefield. I do like the idea better with Courser and AD along with Commune. I'll mull that over and see how it goes next time.

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pretty sure skullwinder and magister arent legal.

Huh??

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Stuff.

I play a similar deck:

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Lands (20) 10x Forest 4x Overgrown Tomb 4x Woodland Cemetery 1x Stomping Ground 1x Kessig Wolf Run Creatures (16) 4x Courser of Kruphix 1x Skullwinder 1x Fierce Empath 1x Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord 1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier 1x Lord of Extinction 1x Massacre Wurm 1x Ulvenwald Hydra 4x Sylvan Primordial 1x Rune-Scarred Demon	Spells (24) 4x Utopia Sprawl 4x Carpet of Flowers 4x Commune with the Gods 4x Animate Dead 2x Dance of the Dead 4x Kruphix's Insight 1x Whip of Erebos 1x Diabolic Servitude

Hmm... I may steal this list from you (along with a couple modifications)! Although... that's not really Abzan reanimator... I'm thinking I could get some U in there, partly because I am a Blue Mage, and also partly because Consuming Aberration seems pretty sweet with Animate Dead in there... seems better than Lord of Extinction.

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Hmm... I may steal this list from you (along with a couple modifications)! Although... that's not really Abzan reanimator... I'm thinking I could get some U in there, partly because I am a Blue Mage, and also partly because Consuming Aberration seems pretty sweet with Animate Dead in there... seems better than Lord of Extinction.

My bad I just copy and pasted the title. It's just BG.

Ok, this is what I'm thinking about running after all the feedback.
I like the idea of using Courser with the enchantments, but I'm already using an enchantment package in the Sultai deck, so unless I change the reanimation approach on that deck, I'll stick with the Rites as the primary method here. I'll keep it in mind for the future because the synergy is undeniable for a BG shell.

Woodland Bellower looks interesting, but seems better in a different format because he just looks like a weaker Sunny-T to me in this deck. I also think I'll stick with no 1-drops as it makes you appear less threatening to people who can't perform proper threat analysis (meta call).

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Woodland Bellower looks interesting, but seems better in a different format because he just looks like a weaker Sunny-T to me in this deck.

Except Sun Titan can't tutor for your Fierce Empath to tutor up your Sandstone Oracle and you will be empty-handed by turn 5-6 in this style of deck every time. The reason Bellower went from C-B to A in my tier list is precisely because of the card Fierce Empath as that interaction is just stupid IMO. Bellower is a Sun Titan that recurs a 6-7 drop of your choice when it ETB. It's a ridonkulous card. Not saying that you need to play it this deck but the card is rather outrageous.

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Except Sun Titan can't tutor for your Fierce Empath to tutor up your Sandstone Oracle and you will be empty-handed by turn 5-6 in this style of deck every time. The reason Bellower went from C-B to A in my tier list is precisely because of the card Fierce Empath as that interaction is just stupid IMO. Bellower is a Sun Titan that recurs a 6-7 drop of your choice when it ETB. It's a ridonkulous card. Not saying that you need to play it this deck but the card is rather outrageous.

The other AoGR deck got me thinking about this. Can you post a suggested deck list with the FE/WB combo and some suggested other cards to target with each and maybe a few finishers? Adding 2-3 colors is also ok. Assume either BoP, untappers, or enchantments to ramp in other colors.

Thanks in advance!

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Except Sun Titan can't tutor for your Fierce Empath to tutor up your Sandstone Oracle and you will be empty-handed by turn 5-6 in this style of deck every time. The reason Bellower went from C-B to A in my tier list is precisely because of the card Fierce Empath as that interaction is just stupid IMO. Bellower is a Sun Titan that recurs a 6-7 drop of your choice when it ETB. It's a ridonkulous card. Not saying that you need to play it this deck but the card is rather outrageous.

The other AoGR deck got me thinking about this. Can you post a suggested deck list with the FE/WB combo and some suggested other cards to target with each and maybe a few finishers? Adding 2-3 colors is also ok. Assume either BoP, untappers, or enchantments to ramp in other colors.

Thanks in advance!

I don't play Abzan Reanimator anymore because I prefer the play pattern of generic good-stuffs decks. When it comes to decklists the only thing that I frequently play as 4-ofs are ramp cards (such as Deathrite Shaman) and Sylvan Primordial. Basically everything else I'm relatively happy to field as 1-ofs and I like playing a ton of different value cards. For example something that I had sitting in Cockatrice was:



And most of my decks end up looking something very close to this. Every broken spell-land, every broken spell, whatever creatures that I want to play, etc. This is my my favorite multiplayer archetype and you can clearly build it for any color combos it's just a matter of picking the right mix of creatures and spells to give you solid game against whatever your opponents will throw at you. The exact mix of spells/creatures is irrelevant because insofar as you're playing with powerful cards then you'll be fine either way. You can play more removal, less removal, more ramp, different kinds of card advantage spells, it really doesn't matter.