With the rise of 93/94 format being popular, but very expensive unless you already have the cards, does anyone know if there has been attempts or interest in doing a "classic" format? Think in a reverse of Modern, where cards from Alpha up to Scourge are legal, as well as the Portal and Starter type sets released at the time. The shorthand is cards originally released with the old frame are legal, and anything from 8th edition/onward in Modern is not part of the format. Banned list probably will contain relevant cards already banned in Legacy from these sets, but open to re-evaluation based on power levels to make it distinct, and may also consider pre-emptively banning cards from the 90's that were banned for power reasons at the time but modern legal sets have allowed to unban, on the flip side some engine cards are more than likely to come off the list because they can't interact with modern cards that made them powerhouses in legacy/vintage anyway.
I find myself constantly watching what 90's pro tour coverage is out there, looking at the old world champion decks that used to come in precon, and seeing the archetypes around when people like Budde and Finkel dominated the game at the higher level. Also because Legacy wasn't much around, and Vintage was almost entirely unplayed, it might be interesting to see what happens to the popular standard/extended decks of the 90's when you have a wider open pool to choose from.
Proposed banned list:
All Ante Cards
Ancestral Recall
Balance
Bazaar of Baghdad (consideration to remove)
Black Lotus
Channel
Chaos Orb
Demonic Consultation
Demonic Tutor
Divine Intervention
Earthcraft
Falling Star
Fastbond
Frantic Search
Goblin Recruiter
Gush
Hermit Druid
Imperial Seal
Library of Alexandria
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
Mana Vault
Memory Jar
Mind Twist
Mind's Desire
Mishra's Workshop
Moxen
Mystical tutor (consideration to remove)
Necropotence
Oath of Druids
Sol Ring
Sharazad
Strip Mine
Survival of the Fittest (consideration to remove)
Time Vault
Time Walk
Timetwister
Tinker
Tolarian Academy
Vampiric Tutor
Wheel of Fortune
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will
Considerations for banning:
Crop Rotation
Dream Halls
Mind Over Matter
Regrowth
Time Spiral
Windfall
Ideally I would like to keep the format away from degenerate cards and first turn combos that were a problem during urza block, but I'd like to keep the power level high as outside degenerate engines and combos, a lot of the decks at the time were quite skill intensive, and I feel the less cards banned, the more open a format is to possibly finding innovative changes to known archetypes, or promotion of completely new ones with the added tools.
Interested to hear thoughts, or if this format exists, any results from playing it.
There are undoubtedly others out there, but most of them probably never posted on the internet. I have not yet tried a format like the one you, or those links, described, but it sounds fun!
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching.
It removes all of the super expensive cards from the first sets and still keeps the feel of old school magic.
Our ban list is up in the air but I think the format has promise.
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In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
Would you be using the old rules or the current rules?
I feel the game play is dramatically different now as opposed to then. Things that were changed like the stack, sacrifice, interrupt, regenerate and mana burn really change the feel and tempo of the game.
That's very unpolished. The idea is that you can use Crop Rotation to ensure you have Gaea's Cradle, then abuse the spells that untap lands (especially Time Spiral) to generate free mana and storm.
It seems like one or more of these cards should be banned: LED, Time Spiral, Crop Rotation, Windfall, Frantic Search.
EDIT: You probably also want to ban Worldgorger Dragon. Without the newer maindeckable graveyard hate like Deathrite Shaman and Scavenging Ooze and Rest in Peace, it's much harder for the opponent to stop you from drawing the game out of nowhere by Entombing the Dragon and Animate Dead. There's no reason to need Dragon in any kind of fair deck.
In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
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I find myself constantly watching what 90's pro tour coverage is out there, looking at the old world champion decks that used to come in precon, and seeing the archetypes around when people like Budde and Finkel dominated the game at the higher level. Also because Legacy wasn't much around, and Vintage was almost entirely unplayed, it might be interesting to see what happens to the popular standard/extended decks of the 90's when you have a wider open pool to choose from.
Proposed banned list:
All Ante Cards
Ancestral Recall
Balance
Bazaar of Baghdad (consideration to remove)
Black Lotus
Channel
Chaos Orb
Demonic Consultation
Demonic Tutor
Divine Intervention
Earthcraft
Falling Star
Fastbond
Frantic Search
Goblin Recruiter
Gush
Hermit Druid
Imperial Seal
Library of Alexandria
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
Mana Vault
Memory Jar
Mind Twist
Mind's Desire
Mishra's Workshop
Moxen
Mystical tutor (consideration to remove)
Necropotence
Oath of Druids
Sol Ring
Sharazad
Strip Mine
Survival of the Fittest (consideration to remove)
Time Vault
Time Walk
Timetwister
Tinker
Tolarian Academy
Vampiric Tutor
Wheel of Fortune
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will
Considerations for banning:
Crop Rotation
Dream Halls
Mind Over Matter
Regrowth
Time Spiral
Windfall
Ideally I would like to keep the format away from degenerate cards and first turn combos that were a problem during urza block, but I'd like to keep the power level high as outside degenerate engines and combos, a lot of the decks at the time were quite skill intensive, and I feel the less cards banned, the more open a format is to possibly finding innovative changes to known archetypes, or promotion of completely new ones with the added tools.
Interested to hear thoughts, or if this format exists, any results from playing it.
Thoughts?
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There are undoubtedly others out there, but most of them probably never posted on the internet. I have not yet tried a format like the one you, or those links, described, but it sounds fun!
It removes all of the super expensive cards from the first sets and still keeps the feel of old school magic.
Our ban list is up in the air but I think the format has promise.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
I feel the game play is dramatically different now as opposed to then. Things that were changed like the stack, sacrifice, interrupt, regenerate and mana burn really change the feel and tempo of the game.
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Cloud of Faeries
//Draw: 8
4 Windfall
4 Time Spiral
3 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
//Tutors: 8
4 Crop Rotation
4 Diabolic Intent
//Win: 3
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Gaea's Cradle
4 City of Brass
4 Undiscovered Paradise
2 Gemstone Mine
//Maybeboard:
4 Culling the Weak
1 Collective Unconscious
That's very unpolished. The idea is that you can use Crop Rotation to ensure you have Gaea's Cradle, then abuse the spells that untap lands (especially Time Spiral) to generate free mana and storm.
It seems like one or more of these cards should be banned: LED, Time Spiral, Crop Rotation, Windfall, Frantic Search.
EDIT: You probably also want to ban Worldgorger Dragon. Without the newer maindeckable graveyard hate like Deathrite Shaman and Scavenging Ooze and Rest in Peace, it's much harder for the opponent to stop you from drawing the game out of nowhere by Entombing the Dragon and Animate Dead. There's no reason to need Dragon in any kind of fair deck.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77